Finn balor Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Rb Leipzig manager nagelsmann is highly thought of. Knowing us we will go for Phil Neville, that’s why Keane was at the match he’s going to be his number two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, Shukes said: The biggest worry is that we look so toothless. We don’t seem to be able to grit our teeth. We don’t seem to have any bottle for a fight. This is where a manager SHOULD be coming into his own. We need to see togetherness, steel, and working for the shirt. Im struggling to give him until December. To an extent I think we did show desire to not concede in open play. I think most, including myself, would have expected to be bullied today but we weren't. We were beaten by our captain getting sent off and another stupid set piece goal. We showed absolutely fuck all in attack and when you feel like you can concede every time there is a set piece in your half you have to be able create chances at the other end and we don't. Even in our good spell, we didn't create a lot of chances against the crap sides. That is what I am struggling with at the moment because I don't see how that is going to change even with Gomes, JPG, by bringing back Gueye or Zouma or by resurecting Dixie Dean. 26 minutes ago, Finn balor said: Just a question but how many players did Brendan Rodgers buy in the summer? One maybe two? He has basically taken over the same team as his predecessor and lost arguably his best player. They have played I think all of the top four or five from last season aswell. Food for thought. One of the key things with that Leicester side is that they had a good core. The signings they did make (Tielemans, Praet, Perez, not sure about Soyuncu) have slotted in really well. I think/hope that our next manager will inherit a similar situation where there is a very good group of players, lacking a CB, that just requires a bit of settling in. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 That’s the point I’m trying to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmytheJimster Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Give him till mid November but let it be know pull your socks up or goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Hes cooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 I didn’t vote originally but think it’s time for him to go now. We have had such a kind start to the season on paper - to take so little in terms of points is awful. Not one performance this season has made me feel that we’ve got a real game plan that’s going to help us kick in and do something positive. We’re still toothless in attack, we’re shipping far too many goals. We only play one system. Subs are general reactive to an injury or goal conceded. We had the perfect opportunity to really make a positive start this season with a kind set of fixtures - we’ve blown it and I think Silva’s the one who deserves most of the criticism. I don’t actually like it when we sack managers (bar Big Sam) but I actually think now is the time. We need to be decisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Haven't voted until now, likecothers I don't favour changing managers after a couple of defeats it seemed too much of a knee jerk reaction, but the last four games have shown that he is out of his depth.We have plan A and it's not very good, in fact it's very poor, every team knows how to play against us, and when we're up against it, we persist with plan A to the final whistle. Our defending at set pieces is appalling, MOTD highlighted Keane pointing to Kendrick being unmarked before the second goal, but no one took any action cos zonal marking doesn't allow for that and we paid the price. They did exactly the same in the first half, his shot hitting Pickford legs. We just don't seem to be able to learn or adapt. Someone keeps saying first sign of insanity is failing at something, but to keep doing the same thing and expecting it to work ( well something along those lines) and that seems to ge exactly where we're at. At 0-0 half time yesterday, it was time to try DCL and Keen upfront, opportunity missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 As much as I don’t like him as a manager, Mourinho coming in on a 2.5 year contract might bring the stability that we’ve needed on the pitch. He’d also bring a bigger character that might attract bigger players. Then, when he inevitably loses it, we’ve at least gotten ourselves balanced and look more attractive to a top manager without it costing us a fortune. The idea of Arteta coming in also quite excites me, even more so if he took Unsworth as his assistant. That kind of experience and love of the club could do wonders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just please don't go near Unsworth or Arteta. Although, both of those would be better options than the idiot fans of ours who have seriously been shouting for Duncan Ferguson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, Matt said: As much as I don’t like him as a manager, Mourinho coming in on a 2.5 year contract might bring the stability that we’ve needed on the pitch. He’d also bring a bigger character that might attract bigger players. Then, when he inevitably loses it, we’ve at least gotten ourselves balanced and look more attractive to a top manager without it costing us a fortune. Welcome to the dark side Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, StevO said: Welcome to the dark side Matt I’ve seen the potential benefits for a while but didn’t think we needed him. Silva isn’t going to get to Christmas at this rate (which is when I was trying to hold judgement for) so it’s time to thinking of other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: As much as I don’t like him as a manager, Mourinho coming in on a 2.5 year contract might bring the stability that we’ve needed on the pitch. He’d also bring a bigger character that might attract bigger players. Then, when he inevitably loses it, we’ve at least gotten ourselves balanced and look more attractive to a top manager without it costing us a fortune. The idea of Arteta coming in also quite excites me, even more so if he took Unsworth as his assistant. That kind of experience and love of the club could do wonders I dont think Mourinho ever brings stability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bailey said: I dont think Mourinho ever brings stability... Not long term, but he usually starts off reasonably well, hence giving him a short contract as an experienced interim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matt said: Not long term, but he usually starts off reasonably well, hence giving him a short contract as an experienced interim He generally only lasts two and a half seasons as it is! Thats a full contract for Mourinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bailey said: He generally only lasts two and a half seasons as it is! Thats a full contract for Mourinho Exactly! But we wouldn’t have to pay out the remaining 3-4 years of his ludicrous contract like others have done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Mourinho wouldn’t come anywhere near us. I’m glad for that aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Finn balor said: Mourinho wouldn’t come anywhere near us. I’m glad for that aswell Why not? Would get results too. Not that I want him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 I want him. He's my second choice after Pochettino, but realistically the latter will never come here any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Just please don't go near Unsworth or Arteta. Although, both of those would be better options than the idiot fans of ours who have seriously been shouting for Duncan Ferguson. Curious as to why you wouldn't want Arteta? Pep is brilliant and has kept him on as number 2. Not saying that makes a good manager, just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Curious as to why you wouldn't want Arteta? Pep is brilliant and has kept him on as number 2. Not saying that makes a good manager, just curious. You said it. He's never been a manager. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, Sibdane said: Curious as to why you wouldn't want Arteta? Pep is brilliant and has kept him on as number 2. Not saying that makes a good manager, just curious. 20 minutes ago, Haiku said: You said it. He's never been a manager. Haiku covered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Haiku said: You said it. He's never been a manager. Every manager ha a "First Job" as a manager, Arteta has had the best apprenticeship going being no2 to Pep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Matt said: I’ve seen the potential benefits for a while but didn’t think we needed him. Silva isn’t going to get to Christmas at this rate (which is when I was trying to hold judgement for) so it’s time to thinking of other options I think he would have the team working hard, he plays effective football rather than pretty football. He brings a siege mentality that the crowd would really get behind. And he’s bloody horrible, and we’re too nice. He seriously raises the profile which opens the door the a top level manager the next time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, London Blue said: Every manager ha a "First Job" as a manager, Arteta has had the best apprenticeship going being no2 to Pep. So did Brian Kidd, Mike Phealan, Steve McLaren, Rene Mulenstien under Ferguson. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, StevO said: So did Brian Kidd, Mike Phealan, Steve McLaren, Rene Mulenstien under Ferguson. Phelan and Kidd are first team coaches and highly regarded at Man Utd. McLaren is a useless lump, but Rene managed Real I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, London Blue said: Phelan and Kidd are first team coaches and highly regarded at Man Utd. McLaren is a useless lump, but Rene managed Real I think. Kidd is working under Pep at City, been there for years. He’s also number two alongside Arteta. My point was learning from the best doesn’t always make you the best. None of these went on to have the kind of career as a manager that they would have liked, they also had the best apprenticeship. I hope Arteta goes on to be a top manager, but I’d rather we didn’t take that first risk. markjazzbassist, pete0 and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, StevO said: So did Brian Kidd, Mike Phealan, Steve McLaren, Rene Mulenstien under Ferguson. Weirdly I was thinking this earlier... why haven't any of SAF's assistants or former players gone on to anything big in management? All the best managers have people who worked with or under them that have gone on to win things but not probably the greatest coach in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, StevO said: Kidd is working under Pep at City, been there for years. He’s also number two alongside Arteta. My point was learning from the best doesn’t always make you the best. None of these went on to have the kind of career as a manager that they would have liked, they also had the best apprenticeship. I hope Arteta goes on to be a top manager, but I’d rather we didn’t take that first risk. I agree its a risk, but having played under Wenger and assisted Pep he has had a good managerial education so that's a help. Not many managerial appointments come risk free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Besides who else is there who knows the league, and is available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Don’t forget, not everyone wants to be a manager, some want to be the best coach, best scout etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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