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6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Didn't both quoting the Lukaku bit. Every other post you've made is about him. It's embarrassing and boring. 

Gana didn't have the desire. Look at McCarthy winning the ball compared to him. Gana was a yappy dog with no bite. Left huge gaps that gave away clear chances game after game and offered fuck all going forward if anything was a hinderance both defensively (left gaps) and attacking-wise (slowed the play, couldn't see a pass nevermind weigh it). 

Absolutely bored of morons going on about the useless leech. We've conceded far less chances through the middle with out and far more solid and creative through the middle. Imagine him playing today instead of Davies who, it'd been an absolute shambles. Only thing he had over Davies is speed. 

Here we go old rivalries never end even if given time. 
But to fair you are exaggerating Pete 

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It's bizarre reading Sky, and Alan Myers, reporting on Ancelotti becoming our new manager when for weeks they've drilled it into us for what seems like forever that Moyes is our best option and we should get on our knees and be thankful for it too.

Worked as well, because they actually had some of our fans on board with that shite and wanting it.

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33 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

It's bizarre reading Sky, and Alan Myers, reporting on Ancelotti becoming our new manager when for weeks they've drilled it into us for what seems like forever that Moyes is our best option and we should get on our knees and be thankful for it too.

Worked as well, because they actually had some of our fans on board with that shite and wanting it.

Bet SkyBet stands to make a few pennies from this all too...

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3 hours ago, nogs said:

Every other post is about... Oh hang on 🙄🤪

Only mentioned him once in defence of Davies getting slaughtered the other week for getting caught out when pressing a player. Unless you count last night about the midfield being a massive step backwards from Barry and McCarthy in a discussion about all our players in the past decade. 

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ANCELOTTI REACHES NAPOLI AGREEMENT

Carlo Ancelotti’s legal team has reached agreement with Napoli over the termination of his contract, paving the way for his appointment as Everton manager. 

Ancelotti is now back in Italy, preparing for his move to the UK – with our colleagues at Sky in Italy reporting that Ancelotti has to meet Napoli representatives in person to sign documents concluding his contract. 

We understand the former Chelsea manager’s appointment as Everton manager may now not take place until Saturday, before their match against Arsenal at Goodison
 

might have to rename the thread after all! 

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23 minutes ago, Matt said:

ANCELOTTI REACHES NAPOLI AGREEMENT

Carlo Ancelotti’s legal team has reached agreement with Napoli over the termination of his contract, paving the way for his appointment as Everton manager. 

Ancelotti is now back in Italy, preparing for his move to the UK – with our colleagues at Sky in Italy reporting that Ancelotti has to meet Napoli representatives in person to sign documents concluding his contract. 

We understand the former Chelsea manager’s appointment as Everton manager may now not take place until Saturday, before their match against Arsenal at Goodison
 

might have to rename the thread after all! 

What a day Matt!

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17 hours ago, pete0 said:

Absolutely bored of morons going on about the useless leech. We've conceded far less chances through the middle with out and far more solid and creative through the middle. Imagine him playing today instead of Davies who, it'd been an absolute shambles. Only thing he had over Davies is speed. 

Haha the morons. I’m a massive fan of irony too. 

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Spent the past hour looking at his credentials, what ex players think of him etc....  outstanding.  From Pirlo to Beckham,  maldini to ibrahimovic and John Terry to Ronaldo... they all speak highly of his ability to coach and man manage. 

It gonna be a right pisser for Evertonians who are frustrated wanna-be footy experts, explaining how they know more than this fella. 

 

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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

It gonna be a right pisser for Evertonians who are frustrated wanna-be footy experts, explaining how they know more than this fella. 

 

I’m sure you’ll try 😉
 

Hopefully good times ahead. 

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The only thing he's not really done which the media keeps drilling into us is take an average team and turn them into a top one.

While Ibra could be a great short term signing I don't want us to do like Walter Smith's time and start will filling the team with past it legends!

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

The Times saying he’s signed a £9m a year deal :blink2:

thats £175k a week. 

I read somewhere that it was a £11.5m a year deal. Mind you, there are going to be a lot of these type of reports going about. No doubt he'll get the nickname... "Cashalotti".

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I imagine the first order of business will be to trim the deadwood at the club.

Cuco Martina is out of contract in summer but it would be nice to get a little something from a transfer.

Sandro Ramirez is still on the books and we could do with recouping a little something on this bad investment.

Mo Besic, the forgotten man, who surely must be out of contract by now

Yannick Bolasie looked to be a smart signing but quickly went sour and needs to be moved on.

Morgan Schneiderlin doesn't seem to have it in him anymore and is still a saleable asset.

Cenk Tosun surely can find another club. I just don't think he can cope with the pace of the Premier League but may do well elsewhere in Europe.

Oumar Niasse is going out of contract so is unlikely to recoup anything from a sale.

That's seven players that are surplus to requirements and have been for some time although I am being harsh on Morgan. The new manager must surely want to shift these on and make room for better players to come in.

Even if 7 go out and only 4 come in we would be better off since these players simply do not kick a ball for us.

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This appointment would be a real coup: experience of the Prem, has won leagues and cups, earned the respect of footballing legends. I have no issue with the fee being quoted: Managers should be earning more than team members. This is the first appointment since Martinez about which I've been genuinely excited.

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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Spent the past hour looking at his credentials, what ex players think of him etc....  outstanding.  From Pirlo to Beckham,  maldini to ibrahimovic and John Terry to Ronaldo... they all speak highly of his ability to coach and man manage. 

It gonna be a right pisser for Evertonians who are frustrated wanna-be footy experts, explaining how they know more than this fella. 

 

yeah @Matt and i have been pining over him for years, ronaldo said he was "like a father to me".  he's the real deal, we just need to get the players to give him the right tools.

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15 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Spent the past hour looking at his credentials, what ex players think of him etc....  outstanding.  From Pirlo to Beckham,  maldini to ibrahimovic and John Terry to Ronaldo... they all speak highly of his ability to coach and man manage. 

It gonna be a right pisser for Evertonians who are frustrated wanna-be footy experts, explaining how they know more than this fella. 

 

Bah, he's got nothing on the ToffeeTalk hive-mind.

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2 minutes ago, badaids said:

Tick fucking tock. This is getting more and more Muller like with every day that passes. Come on Moshiri, get this done!

isn't he rumored to be announced at the match tomorrow? Is that a real thing that would happen?

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The amount of journalists saying that Ancellotti is the wrong appointment....that we aren't good enough for him... salty as you like.

They just don't like the thought that he would come to little old Everton and we should know our place and hire Eddie Howe or Moyes or Hughes.... 

If Renault managed to hire Lewis Hamilton to drive their car would there be an outrage? Or would the more intelligent and less biased  journalists investigate "what have Renault got up their sleeve".... knowing quite well that a multi world champion isnt going to a team to be content with 7th place finishes.  They would known that the money would need to be right, but they also know that a winner would not go to a team unless the car has major changes incoming with a new engine that will enable them to compete.... and may be that Lewis wants to prove he can be a winner in a team that needs work. 

To me it's quite clear, he has been given assurances and no doubt submitted a list of players he wants to secure.  I'm expecting a very busy January. Koulibaly would be a nice start. 

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35 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

The amount of journalists saying that Ancellotti is the wrong appointment....that we aren't good enough for him... salty as you like.

To be fair I see more doing it with Arteta and Arsenal. 

I still don't understand why Arsenal didn't go for Ancellotti (or why he didn't go for them). 

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48 minutes ago, Aidan said:

To be fair I see more doing it with Arteta and Arsenal. 

I still don't understand why Arsenal didn't go for Ancellotti (or why he didn't go for them). 

Because he's just as inexperienced at rebuilding a team as Arteta. Plus Arsenal are obviously looking for long term solution, and Ancellotti doesn't fit that criteria. I'm probably one of few, who's not exited about the Italian, despite his cabinet full of throphies. I don't think he's cut for this job and I hope I'm wrong.

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

What are the boomers? Educate me with your lingo! 

Baby boomer is a term for the generation of people born between 1946 and 1964.  They were called this because servicemen came home from World War II to their wives and had kids at an unprecedented rate causing it to be the largest generation.  
my parents are baby boomers (or boomers for short).

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11 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Because he's just as inexperienced at rebuilding a team as Arteta. Plus Arsenal are obviously looking for long term solution, and Ancellotti doesn't fit that criteria. I'm probably one of few, who's not exited about the Italian, despite his cabinet full of throphies. I don't think he's cut for this job and I hope I'm wrong.

I must admit that I am very on the fence about this appointment for that reason. It just doesn't feel right. It will be miles away from what we have known and enjoyed in the last 3 games. 

He certainly has the CV for the job though. Regardless of how good your players are it is still difficult to win as many leagues as he has. His Chelsea team played some great football and scored for fun and even at Napoli last season he had one of the most impressive offensive and defensive teams (so I have read). 

I think the key to his success here will be how well the team he build matches the intensity that the crowd want to see. If it is slow and patient football, I expect the tide will turn quickly.

All I do know is that I really hope this appointment works out because if it doesn't we will be even more of a laughing stock than we have been for the last few years.

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12 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

my parents are baby boomers (or boomers for short).

So am I under that definition, except my dad was only sixteen when the war ended so he just missed it (still had to do National Service though obviously); his older brothers were both in the navy.

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Let's look at what makes players tick....

They need to respect a manager enough to buy into what he says and tells them to do. There is alot of ego involved with players, they compare cars, paychecks but also there is huge snobbery as to who they play for.....

When Ferguson was at Man United they did as they were told and no questions.... when Moyes went there the players questioned everything. 

The Chelsea players were notorious for getting managers sacked.... Ancellotti had their backing.

My main concern is that we need lieutenants on the pitch... trustworthy, intelligent and capable leaders.  I don't think we have any apart from Digne, Delph and Coleman who is on his last legs.  

He knows "what good looks like" to manage and how to manage them.... that is a huge thing that the likes of Moyes, Koeman, Martinez, Silva don't.

He will be able to come in to our club and like Lewis Hamilton getting in a substandard F1 car will be able to straight away say "that's not good enough.... change it"

If we can't change our weak mentality and poor processes under a proven winner and take his experience and utilise it fully then we are not deserving of him. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Because he's just as inexperienced at rebuilding a team as Arteta. Plus Arsenal are obviously looking for long term solution, and Ancellotti doesn't fit that criteria. I'm probably one of few, who's not exited about the Italian, despite his cabinet full of throphies. I don't think he's cut for this job and I hope I'm wrong.

Arsenal may be looking but the fact is average time a manager stays at a club is under two years these days. Ancelotti's contract is for 4,5 years so if he stays that long it will be way longer than the average. We will have built a new stadium by the time his contract runs out.

He is a brilliant man-manager and tactically flexible. He understands that tactics must be dictated by the players available. Hopefully his name also helps recruit better players. I'm not sure how much weight that has but maybe at least in situations where other factors are pretty even. Many world class players also credit him for improving them.

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23 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I imagine the first order of business will be to trim the deadwood at the club.

Cuco Martina is out of contract in summer but it would be nice to get a little something from a transfer.

Sandro Ramirez is still on the books and we could do with recouping a little something on this bad investment.

Mo Besic, the forgotten man, who surely must be out of contract by now

Yannick Bolasie looked to be a smart signing but quickly went sour and needs to be moved on.

Morgan Schneiderlin doesn't seem to have it in him anymore and is still a saleable asset.

Cenk Tosun surely can find another club. I just don't think he can cope with the pace of the Premier League but may do well elsewhere in Europe.

Oumar Niasse is going out of contract so is unlikely to recoup anything from a sale.

That's seven players that are surplus to requirements and have been for some time although I am being harsh on Morgan. The new manager must surely want to shift these on and make room for better players to come in.

Even if 7 go out and only 4 come in we would be better off since these players simply do not kick a ball for us.

I’d be more concerned about those getting game time that aren’t good enough. Tom Davies & Michael Keane being the outstanding ones. There’s a lot of shit to move on that’s for sure.

From today Moise Kean becomes a player.

 

Things just got very very serious in that dressing room 

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47 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Baby boomer is a term for the generation of people born between 1946 and 1964.  They were called this because servicemen came home from World War II to their wives and had kids at an unprecedented rate causing it to be the largest generation.  
my parents are baby boomers (or boomers for short).

Thanks for educating me MJ never heard of the term! 

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4 minutes ago, MC11 said:

I’d be more concerned about those getting game time that aren’t good enough. Tom Davies & Michael Keane being the outstanding ones. There’s a lot of shit to move on that’s for sure.

From today Moise Kean becomes a player.

 

Things just got very very serious in that dressing room 

Moise Kean becomes a player when he starts listening to his manager regardless of who it is.   He has had repeated incidents that point to a poor attitude. 

Let's not start thinking a galactico manager means we should expect to see entitled brats play in our shirt.  Carlo will probably get his respect but he will not be tolerated if he acts up. 

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