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8 hours ago, pete0 said:

He got us 8th with a much worse squad. We'd be in a much better position had we kept him. Much rather we kept him until Ancelotti was available than endure the absolute fraud that is Marco Silva. 

Some people have short memories. You really rather watch the team get about one shot on goal per match?

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21 minutes ago, Makis said:

Some people have short memories. You really rather watch the team get about one shot on goal per match?

1.8..... don't miss the.0.8 it's the difference between extraordinarily shite and really shite.

Watching Everton under allardyce was like going to the dentist to have a tooth removed..... you understood why it was happening, you wish things were done differently to prevent the need to need to see the dentist, but when you got the bill and had people trying to tell you that your trip to the dentist was enjoyable and if you didn't see him then all your teeth would have fallen out and for that reason you should see him every week...... you kinda get annoyed. 

Like most shit managers, allardyce has a period that he points to on his c.v that makes him look like a good manager. 

Allardyce talking about Ancellotti....... ffs. Only Everton could hire these 2 managers within 2 years of eachother. 

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1 hour ago, Makis said:

Some people have short memories. You really rather watch the team get about one shot on goal per match?

Not much choice given the squad he inherited. Silva got Richarlison, Bernard, Tosun, Gomes, Zouma and Digne. Given those players to you not think Alladyce could have done better? 

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19 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Not much choice given the squad he inherited. Silva got Richarlison, Bernard, Tosun, Gomes, Zouma and Digne. Given those players to you not think Alladyce could have done better? 

No, considering his history for the past ten years. And it was he who got Tosun and Walcott. If he had been at the heml we woud never have gotten those players.

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On 10/02/2020 at 08:47, London Blue said:

Allardyce was toxic to this club, if he had stayed do you think we would have signed the players we did under Silva? Do you think Brands would have been able to work with him? I don't.

People complained about Moyes coming back and rightly so,  both are footballing dinosaurs whose tactics and methods do not suit the modern game. At least Moyes loved the club, Allardyce saw us as a gravy train he could slurp from, he showed contempt to the fans, our tradition and to the kind of football we love to see with his negative dour tactics. 

Marco failed, badly but at least he wanted us to play aggressive, progressive football, even if he couldn't deliver it, plus we got players like Richarlison and Gomes. Under Sam we would have got Davies and Nolan mk 2, and hoofball. Fuck that shit!

Jake Humphrey on BT sport was amazed at the gusto with which allardyce was supporting crystal palace against us.  Proper animated by all accounts.

He's like some weird bloke who seems intent on trolling us.... he knows we are better than him, always have been and he just can't handle it and it fuels this obsession he's got with us. Doesn't matter what we do, we've got this pain in the arse bunny boiler intent on point scoring against us.  

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On 10/02/2020 at 08:26, Shukes said:

No, most of those are attacking players. Sam wouldn’t have a clue what to do with them, and they would leave.

He had Jay Jay Okocha playing with a smile on his face aha taking the piss. He got Anelka grounded and firing. He done more for DCL than Silva did. 

Walcott had just as big a reputation as any player we signed. Yet he chose to come to us when we were potential relegation contenders. 

On 10/02/2020 at 08:35, Makis said:

No, considering his history for the past ten years. And it was he who got Tosun and Walcott. If he had been at the heml we woud never have gotten those players.

He addressed are issues. We needed a goal scorer we got one. We needed pace, we got Walcott. We needed a centre half, we got one (not his fault he got injured). Last biggest need was a centre mid, unfortunately the club couldn't pulls the finish a deal. 

The main 4 issues that needed addressing he did. Three transfer windows later and we've still not addressed those key 4 issues. If Alladyce had stayed I highly doubt we'd have signed three wingers and just the one centre mid and centre half. 

On 10/02/2020 at 08:47, London Blue said:

Allardyce was toxic to this club, if he had stayed do you think we would have signed the players we did under Silva? Do you think Brands would have been able to work with him? I don't.

People complained about Moyes coming back and rightly so,  both are footballing dinosaurs whose tactics and methods do not suit the modern game. At least Moyes loved the club, Allardyce saw us as a gravy train he could slurp from, he showed contempt to the fans, our tradition and to the kind of football we love to see with his negative dour tactics. 

Marco failed, badly but at least he wanted us to play aggressive, progressive football, even if he couldn't deliver it, plus we got players like Richarlison and Gomes. Under Sam we would have got Davies and Nolan mk 2, and hoofball. Fuck that shit!

Why not? 

Moyes is bollocks. He's lasted one calender year at one club since leaving us. Alladyce has done numerous jobs and got to better one's, including England and us. Just look at the difference he done with Sunderland compared to Moyes. 

Aggressive and progressive are far from the shite Silva served up. We were slow and monotone in attack. Everything went down the wings and endless crosses to a single striker in the box already marked by two players. Nolan as cunty as he was is exactly the type of player we were missing. We've not replaced our last nasty player Cahill. Much rather Nolan than Sigurdssen on midfield. We need some bite. 

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Wow. So Tosun, who is basically useless and Brands has trouble getting rid of solved something? He cost, what, 25 million and plus probably around 20 more million in wages.Walcott cost 20 million and about 100kpw or 5 million per year. So those two cost the club in the region of 100 million pounds. Great solution.

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9 minutes ago, Makis said:

Wow. So Tosun, who is basically useless and Brands has trouble getting rid of solved something? He cost, what, 25 million and plus probably around 20 more million in wages.Walcott cost 20 million and about 100kpw or 5 million per year. So those two cost the club in the region of 100 million pounds. Great solution.

Watching us being managed by allardyce was like watching a good looking mate who usually pulls nice girls walk out the nightclub with a local lass with an awful reputation .... he wakes up the next day, realises his mistake and gets rid.

2 years later, he's sat having a quiet drink with his gorgeous Italian wife and the slapper keeps plonking herself next to them "I don't know who he thinks he is love...how dare he get rid of me, what have you got that I havent..... I've only been with 200 men, I haven't killed any of them. Fair enough I stole some money from them and took the piss out of their speech impediment but I'm top class me"

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8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Jake Humphrey on BT sport was amazed at the gusto with which allardyce was supporting crystal palace against us.  Proper animated by all accounts.

He's like some weird bloke who seems intent on trolling us.... he knows we are better than him, always have been and he just can't handle it and it fuels this obsession he's got with us. Doesn't matter what we do, we've got this pain in the arse bunny boiler intent on point scoring against us.  

He did the same thing after he left Newcastle. It’s like they were his biggest club and he was mad he didn’t get more time, now we are his biggest club and it’s shifted to us. He’s a fucking knob. 

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8 hours ago, pete0 said:

Aggressive and progressive are far from the shite Silva served up. We were slow and monotone in attack. Everything went down the wings and endless crosses to a single striker in the box already marked by two players. Nolan as cunty as he was is exactly the type of player we were missing. We've not replaced our last nasty player Cahill. Much rather Nolan than Sigurdssen on midfield. We need some bite. 

I agree we need some bite, but those players hardly exist anymore. The two examples in your post, Cahill and Nolan, were both at the top of their game ten years ago. I’d love us to have a bit more aggression in there, but I think the same when I watch any team play now. 
I can’t think of a decent midfielder who actually puts himself about or leaves a foot in when he goes for a challenge anymore. 

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3 minutes ago, StevO said:

I agree we need some bite, but those players hardly exist anymore. The two examples in your post, Cahill and Nolan, were both at the top of their game ten years ago. I’d love us to have a bit more aggression in there, but I think the same when I watch any team play now. 
I can’t think of a decent midfielder who actually puts himself about or leaves a foot in when he goes for a challenge anymore. 

Henderson. Gets away with it too. Mastered the art of getting on top of the referees.

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42 minutes ago, Makis said:

Wow. So Tosun, who is basically useless and Brands has trouble getting rid of solved something? He cost, what, 25 million and plus probably around 20 more million in wages.Walcott cost 20 million and about 100kpw or 5 million per year. So those two cost the club in the region of 100 million pounds. Great solution.

Apparently Aubameyang was his first choice. Alladyce still get Tosun firing, so much so the majority on here had him as first choice over DCL if you go and look back at what people wanted are first elevens to look like the start of last season. 

Walcott was our best player. In the shit show that Walsh and Koeman made he was the only player to get you off your seat. Him and Tosun both contribute to us moving up the table. 

Imagine Silva come in with that same squad the whole budget would have went in Richarlison and we'd probably be relegated. 

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43 minutes ago, StevO said:

I agree we need some bite, but those players hardly exist anymore. The two examples in your post, Cahill and Nolan, were both at the top of their game ten years ago. I’d love us to have a bit more aggression in there, but I think the same when I watch any team play now. 
I can’t think of a decent midfielder who actually puts himself about or leaves a foot in when he goes for a challenge anymore. 

I get your point, none of them do it to the levels of Nolan and Cahill. But there's still a fair few with bite. 

Looking at the top 6. David Silva does it for City but he's got a lot more to his game go it tends to go unnoticed, Son for Spurs, most of the Liverpool players (although faux hardmen would be a better description) since the refs love them they hardly concede a free kick for it. Not top six but I'd say West Ham still have a few with Antonio, Noble and Snodgrass. 

Mooy would have been my budget preference, or if we were 451 Antonio. Dacoure and Xhaka would both do well but cost a lot. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Carlo Ancelotti is fucking brilliant and is our manager. Stop talking about Bisto Tits for fucks sake, he's gone and I want to forget that cunt was ever here. It's an embarrassment that he was ever charge.

Edit - Even more embarrassing is the fact that people are arguing over his time here!

Well said, move on

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4 hours ago, StevO said:

I agree we need some bite, but those players hardly exist anymore. The two examples in your post, Cahill and Nolan, were both at the top of their game ten years ago. I’d love us to have a bit more aggression in there, but I think the same when I watch any team play now. 
I can’t think of a decent midfielder who actually puts himself about or leaves a foot in when he goes for a challenge anymore. 

Son😉

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Carlo Ancelotti is fucking brilliant and is our manager. Stop talking about Bisto Tits for fucks sake, he's gone and I want to forget that cunt was ever here. It's an embarrassment that he was ever charge.

Edit - Even more embarrassing is the fact that people are arguing over his time here!

Exactly he’s been cast to room 101 now no point in debating the past it isn’t going to change the future, let’s move on and discuss the current management players and board there the ones that are going to make a difference right now. 

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5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Carlo Ancelotti is fucking brilliant and is our manager. Stop talking about Bisto Tits for fucks sake, he's gone and I want to forget that cunt was ever here. It's an embarrassment that he was ever charge.

Edit - Even more embarrassing is the fact that people are arguing over his time here!

This! Still praying for the day he is never mentioned.  How many times have I typed that in this forum.  Such dark dark dark... dark... dark... days, but now in the past.  Only lesson to be learned is NEVER do something like that again and move on.

Carlo Fantastico! Carlo Magnifico!

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On 09/02/2020 at 17:46, pete0 said:

He got us 8th with a much worse squad. We'd be in a much better position had we kept him. 

I love these forums because I’m forever learning stuff and meeting interesting people. Who knew that Crooked Sam’s nephew was amongst us? Glad you stuck with us even while demonstrating family loyalty. It must be tough.

Honestly, I struggle to find anything positive about those regrettable months. The style of play was simply awful.

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16 hours ago, pete0 said:

I get your point, none of them do it to the levels of Nolan and Cahill. But there's still a fair few with bite. 

Looking at the top 6. David Silva does it for City but he's got a lot more to his game go it tends to go unnoticed, Son for Spurs, most of the Liverpool players (although faux hardmen would be a better description) since the refs love them they hardly concede a free kick for it. Not top six but I'd say West Ham still have a few with Antonio, Noble and Snodgrass. 

Mooy would have been my budget preference, or if we were 451 Antonio. Dacoure and Xhaka would both do well but cost a lot. 

I see where you’re coming from, but from the players quoted I only really think Noble gets stuck in anywhere like the same players of the past. 
Xhaka tries, but he’s just shite. 

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15 hours ago, StevO said:

I see where you’re coming from, but from the players quoted I only really think Noble gets stuck in anywhere like the same players of the past. 
Xhaka tries, but he’s just shite. 

I agree. Xhaka is a wannabee hard man but he fouls out of petulance rather than through tact. 

Fernandino puts himself about, not necessarily leaving one on players but he won't give you an inch in midfield and he will bring you down if you beat him.

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On 10/02/2020 at 08:14, pete0 said:

Not much choice given the squad he inherited. Silva got Richarlison, Bernard, Tosun, Gomes, Zouma and Digne. Given those players to you not think Alladyce could have done better? 

Didn’t Big Sam bring in Tosun? And what a great 20m+ signing he turned out to be. 
 

The reason he didn’t sign the others is likely they wouldn’t of wanted to play under him. Couldn’t see Digne, Bernard, Richarlison or Gomes getting excited by his style of play! 

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24 minutes ago, barryj said:

Didn’t Big Sam bring in Tosun? And what a great 20m+ signing he turned out to be. 
 

The reason he didn’t sign the others is likely they wouldn’t of wanted to play under him. Couldn’t see Digne, Bernard, Richarlison or Gomes getting excited by his style of play! 

He claims he asked for Aubamayang. We were desperate and Tosun was within budget. We should get our money back in him as well. He's not worked out but that's more due to the next manager who couldn't tell a tit from an elbow. 

So they'd rather play for a manager who they've barely heard of, got sacked after half a season, and relegated the team before. Call him the gravy guzzler or what not he's at least competent. Rather a competent manager making the lads put in a shift and not fall to bits than the absolute joke that was Silva. 

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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Is there any truth to unsworth and Dunc not getting on? Just wondering how that may impact the dynamic....

I’ve not heard that they don’t get on, what makes you say that could be a possibility. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I’ve not heard that they don’t get on, what makes you say that could be a possibility. 

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

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1 minute ago, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

That’s interesting. 

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18 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

I can’t see that so would love read the source material. 

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On 15/02/2020 at 19:02, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

I've only ever heard Unsworth say positive things about the young lads so I would be very surprised. 

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On 15/02/2020 at 19:02, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

Is this the same big Dunc that pulled a 19 year old foreign speaking new signing off shortly after being subbed on?! 

Maybe it's just tough love, unsy does a good job in the u23s so he's doing something right. 

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7 hours ago, Aidan said:

Is this the same big Dunc that pulled a 19 year old foreign speaking new signing off shortly after being subbed on?! 

Maybe it's just tough love, unsy does a good job in the u23s so he's doing something right. 

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

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Haven’t we spoke about this on one of the threads before? I remember reading it somewhere as well. Thought it was on TT as I don’t use any other forums.

Was it around the time that Dunc was in charge for a few matches?

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

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6 minutes ago, Palfy said:

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

Got the piss took out of me on here said boa Morte was a big red flag. Yes man. Last thing we needed. 

Says a lot about Silva that he had Unsworth and Ferguson under his nose. Both had more experience but looking back it's probably their presence he was scared of showing him up. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

There were also the rumours that Silva and boa morte kept Dunc away from the players..... they didn't like his fire ...... maybe they would still be in a job had they used him. 

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Haven’t we spoke about this on one of the threads before? I remember reading it somewhere as well. Thought it was on TT as I don’t use any other forums.

Was it around the time that Dunc was in charge for a few matches?

It's doing my head in.... I haven't dreamed it.

I've heard nuggets that unsworth has favourites etc. 

For me I'm not arsed if the under 23s win their league.... I'm more arsed that they are using 21/22 year old players who aren't going to make the step up rather than using 17/18 year olds who are potential stars. 

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

There were also the rumours that Silva and boa morte kept Dunc away from the players..... they didn't like his fire ...... maybe they would still be in a job had they used him. 

You and you're bloody rumours!  

I hope you have never worked in an office. You'd be a bigger gossip than Dot Cotton!

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13 minutes ago, Bailey said:

You and you're bloody rumours!  

I hope you have never worked in an office. You'd be a bigger gossip than Dot Cotton!

Didn't she work in a launderette?

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12 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

Nothing had not every post on here is personal kid. Just having an opinion. 

 

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