Bailey Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: managers job to give that info to the players. if dunc knew he wasn't prepared why put him on? to teach him a lesson? it ain't 1995, players aren't like that anymore. he's a foreigner too so it's even more muddled with the language and customs barrier. just a stupid thing all around. if the kid needs time let him work on the training ground and the cup match this week, he's supposed to be a big signing for the future, and our caretaker might have fucked it up. i'd not be happy if i was brands/moshiri. 1 hour ago, Bill said: Duncan would have prepared him throughout the week and he had obviously given him his instructions, if you can't follow basic instruction your no use to the team. If you dont listen or carry out basic intructions in any job you'll probably get sent packing. If the player was embarassed he brought it on himself. Exactly Bill. Everyone else knew their job pretty well so therefore my powers of deduction come down to it being a Kean problem rather than a Ferguson problem. I do think that Ferguson was probably a bit rash in bringing him on and I'm sure he wouldn't do it again but it's only his second game in charge. He realised the mistake and made the change and we actually looked the better side when he changed the system which resulted in Kean going off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, nogs said: Customs barrier?? He's from Italy ffs not Outer Mongolia! his parents are ivorian immigrants, he's first generation italian. simply trying to live life with ivorian parents in italy woudl be hard enough as a kid, he's now in a completely different country and culture. your insensitivity speaks volumes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11888336/carlo-ancelotti-arrives-for-everton-talks markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: his parents are ivorian immigrants, he's first generation italian. simply trying to live life with ivorian parents in italy woudl be hard enough as a kid, he's now in a completely different country and culture. your insensitivity speaks volumes Not to mention that he’s at a club having a poor season who just sacked their manager. He needs to be more professional, of course, but the kid is 19. This is one of those situations where I think throwing an arm around him and offering encouragement would go a lot farther than the sink or swim treatment. Young players need to be allowed to make mistakes without the fear that they will get immediately yanked if they have a bad spell. DCL, Davies etc.. have certainly made their share and I don’t think either has Kean’s potential. A lot of this has to do with relegation. If we were in a more comfortable position I imagine he’d be given more leash but right now points are vital so he’s given much less of a chance. I hope that when we do get a new manager in he’s mature enough to see it as a fresh start. Certainly if it’s Ancelotti you’d think he’d have no choice but to listen and learn. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Malpas Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11888336/carlo-ancelotti-arrives-for-everton-talks Have they been verified like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Apparently Ancelotti is in Rome and not on Merseyside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: his parents are ivorian immigrants, he's first generation italian. simply trying to live life with ivorian parents in italy woudl be hard enough as a kid, he's now in a completely different country and culture. your insensitivity speaks volumes 59 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Not to mention that he’s at a club having a poor season who just sacked their manager. He needs to be more professional, of course, but the kid is 19. This is one of those situations where I think throwing an arm around him and offering encouragement would go a lot farther than the sink or swim treatment. Young players need to be allowed to make mistakes without the fear that they will get immediately yanked if they have a bad spell. DCL, Davies etc.. have certainly made their share and I don’t think either has Kean’s potential. A lot of this has to do with relegation. If we were in a more comfortable position I imagine he’d be given more leash but right now points are vital so he’s given much less of a chance. I hope that when we do get a new manager in he’s mature enough to see it as a fresh start. Certainly if it’s Ancelotti you’d think he’d have no choice but to listen and learn. I get these point of views, 100%. I've also no doubt that the Club will have gone above and beyond to help him settle, as would the players, and Silva. There's a nice bond in the squad, too nice at times - hence our lack of bite at times. I just wonder what the reaction would have been if we'd conceded a goal due to Kean not carrying out his role, blowing out his arse, looking knackered, despite being on for a short time. It's a 2 way party. Yes, the player needs time to settle. But he also has to be accountable. Personally, I think there is a player there and I really hope Dunc had a good chat with him and fired him up and we now see the best of him. On the flip side, it may end up being a part of the learning curve for Dunc. For good or bad. It's an open book at the moment, time will tell which way it goes. MikeO, pete0 and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Arteta to Arsenal: https://www.espn.com/soccer/arsenal/story/4014833/sources-mikel-arteta-set-to-be-named-arsenal-manager-in-coming-days Heavily linked: Ancelotti, Moyes Reportedly out: Poch, Rafa, kovac, marcelino, Gallardo, v pereira, Howe, Emery, Arteta Quiet: Dyche, Wilder, Ten Hag, Jardim, Postecoglou, van Bommel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Ancelotti would be a very good appointment. Ticks all the boxes we want. Yeah, a little older - but we really need that stability. Even if it's just a 2 year stint to get us steady. We need that wise old head just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Newty82 said: I get these point of views, 100%. I've also no doubt that the Club will have gone above and beyond to help him settle, as would the players, and Silva. There's a nice bond in the squad, too nice at times - hence our lack of bite at times. I just wonder what the reaction would have been if we'd conceded a goal due to Kean not carrying out his role, blowing out his arse, looking knackered, despite being on for a short time. It's a 2 way party. Yes, the player needs time to settle. But he also has to be accountable. Personally, I think there is a player there and I really hope Dunc had a good chat with him and fired him up and we now see the best of him. On the flip side, it may end up being a part of the learning curve for Dunc. For good or bad. It's an open book at the moment, time will tell which way it goes. that's why i said dunc would know that, play him in the cup match not the last 30 of man united needing a yard dog to go run around and harry the opposition. if that's all he wanted he should have had the sense to send out oumar in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Exactly Bill. Everyone else knew their job pretty well so therefore my powers of deduction come down to it being a Kean problem rather than a Ferguson problem. I do think that Ferguson was probably a bit rash in bringing him on and I'm sure he wouldn't do it again but it's only his second game in charge. He realised the mistake and made the change and we actually looked the better side when he changed the system which resulted in Kean going off. Tbf I think a lot of us would struggle to understand Ferguson and English is our first language for most of us! Newty82 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Ancelotti would be a very good appointment. Ticks all the boxes we want. Yeah, a little older - but we really need that stability. Even if it's just a 2 year stint to get us steady. We need that wise old head just now. he's also an excellent man manager more likely to come along side a player and offer encouragement then publicly embarrass them to try and prove a point, hint hint.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not to sure if he is the manager we need. Obviously we could do worse though Haiku 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Talksport are reporting it’s a done deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 https://www.skysports.com/share/11888482 Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Looks like it’s happening. Wow. Newty82 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 I’ll believe it when I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: he's also an excellent man manager more likely to come along side a player and offer encouragement then publicly embarrass them to try and prove a point, hint hint.. Ok haven't hopped in on this yet but i'll bite. I'm lost as to how people think Duncan was looking to embarrass Moise and/or looking to prove a point. Duncan is the (caretaker) manager of Everton Football Club. Everton were playing a match at Old Trafford. Duncan's only job, his only job, is to figure out how to achieve the best possible result. In the 70' Duncan thought replacing Bernard for Kean gave Everton a better chance at achieving the best possible result - perhaps he thought Kean could give them a better chance of scoring the winner, which I think we'd all agree with. In the '89 he faced a similar situation however he must have been looking to protect the draw. The decision is simple. The attacking players on the pitch were Kean Iwobi DCL and Richarlison. Iwobi DCL and Richarlison are all better players defensively than Kean and certainly have a higher work rate. Duncan made the only decision a manager should be making in that situation. How can we as a team, club, collective achieve the best result. Haiku, Shukes and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: he's also an excellent man manager more likely to come along side a player and offer encouragement then publicly embarrass them to try and prove a point, hint hint.. In the politest possible way, and with huge respect to you...piss off, you're boring me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Personally think it's crazy that we might...only might, deal in principle, this is Everton, could go to shit, might...have Ancelotti in the bag. For me, that would be an appointment that I didn't think was possible. I didn't even pay much attention to it at first. If we pull this off, it would be a big coup. Haiku, Bailey and Romey 1878 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Newty82 said: Personally think it's crazy that we might...only might, deal in principle, this is Everton, could go to shit, might...have Ancelotti in the bag. For me, that would be an appointment that I didn't think was possible. I didn't even pay much attention to it at first. If we pull this off, it would be a big coup. yeah, @Matt and I have been saying for years we should be trying to get him. This would make me very happy. Also i think he works well with DOF types and I would hope to see even another level to Brands game. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: yeah, @Matt and I have been saying for years we should be trying to get him. This would make me very happy. Also i think he works well with DOF types and I would hope to see even another level to Brands game. He'll be more than used to the DOF set up, won't he? Part of the everything-but-UK culture for years. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Newty82 said: He'll be more than used to the DOF set up, won't he? Part of the everything-but-UK culture for years. exactly, fits like a glove. here's to hoping if he does become manager that ibra is next .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Can we get excited yet? markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, markjazzbassist said: exactly, fits like a glove. here's to hoping if he does become manager that ibra is next .......... Erm. No. Well, Yes, but no!!! markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, StevO said: Can we get excited yet? Nope. Not until it's certified and he's pictured signing the papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, Newty82 said: Nope. Not until it's certified and he's pictured signing the papers. He could be sat in the home dugout and I don’t think I’d believe it! Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Sibdane said: Apparently Ancelotti is in Rome and not on Merseyside. this guy's twitter is gonna be unfollowed by a lot of people after this. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peter H Posted December 16, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 If we sign Ancelotti, remember, I called it early. If we dont then forget I ever said anything AlbanyNYToffee, Bailey, Newty82 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, StevO said: He could be sat in the home dugout and I don’t think I’d believe it! True. Very true. Scars of an Evertonian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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