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18 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

I can’t see that so would love read the source material. 

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Carlo Ancelotti is fucking brilliant and is our manager. Stop talking about Bisto Tits for fucks sake, he's gone and I want to forget that cunt was ever here. It's an embarrassment that he was ever ch

He got us 8th with a much worse squad. We'd be in a much better position had we kept him. Much rather we kept him until Ancelotti was available than endure the absolute fraud that is Marco Silva. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/06/jamie-carragher-meets-carlo-ancelotti-not-one-last-payday-going/   My allegiance to Everton ended over 25 years ago, but there is a moment dur

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On 15/02/2020 at 19:02, Hafnia said:

Heard it a few times now.... I heard once that unsworth can be a bit of an arse to the younger players and Dunc pulled him on it....... I need to find the source. 

Is this the same big Dunc that pulled a 19 year old foreign speaking new signing off shortly after being subbed on?! 

Maybe it's just tough love, unsy does a good job in the u23s so he's doing something right. 

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7 hours ago, Aidan said:

Is this the same big Dunc that pulled a 19 year old foreign speaking new signing off shortly after being subbed on?! 

Maybe it's just tough love, unsy does a good job in the u23s so he's doing something right. 

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

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6 minutes ago, Palfy said:

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

Got the piss took out of me on here said boa Morte was a big red flag. Yes man. Last thing we needed. 

Says a lot about Silva that he had Unsworth and Ferguson under his nose. Both had more experience but looking back it's probably their presence he was scared of showing him up. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

This difference with the attitude with Dunc as assistant is so much more committed, let’s be honest I think Ancelotti wants and needs a no nonsense assistant to crack the whip now and then. 
Silva had Boa Morte what a pair of wet blankets, there was no fight in them 2 and it transpired on to the pitch. 

There were also the rumours that Silva and boa morte kept Dunc away from the players..... they didn't like his fire ...... maybe they would still be in a job had they used him. 

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Haven’t we spoke about this on one of the threads before? I remember reading it somewhere as well. Thought it was on TT as I don’t use any other forums.

Was it around the time that Dunc was in charge for a few matches?

It's doing my head in.... I haven't dreamed it.

I've heard nuggets that unsworth has favourites etc. 

For me I'm not arsed if the under 23s win their league.... I'm more arsed that they are using 21/22 year old players who aren't going to make the step up rather than using 17/18 year olds who are potential stars. 

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

There were also the rumours that Silva and boa morte kept Dunc away from the players..... they didn't like his fire ...... maybe they would still be in a job had they used him. 

You and you're bloody rumours!  

I hope you have never worked in an office. You'd be a bigger gossip than Dot Cotton!

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12 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure what that has got to do with him and unsworth not getting on. As I said I will have to find the source.

I don't blame Duncan for subbing Keane.... we were in a precarious position and he never done as he was told.  The result of which was Keane has pulled his socks up and had a couple of very good games.  DCL credits Dunc with much of his improvements. 

 

Nothing had not every post on here is personal kid. Just having an opinion. 

 

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29 minutes ago, Bailey said:

It was the only relevant reference as I could think of before going back to work 😂

I'm somewhat ashamed of the fact (that I let slip) that I used to watch it; albeit not in the the last twenty years or so in my defence:unsure:

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1 hour ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I see they have gone ahead and charged him so he will definitely be banned for the Chelsea match unless we appeal and risk a longer ban.

Gotta protect that integrity hey Scudamore!

From what I read he's not going to get a ban, just an £8,000 fine which might be increased to £12,000 if he appeals and fails. Pocket change.

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13 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

They'll just make an example of us unfortunately. We need to box clever in these situations. It's on the football pitch we can do the most damage, I'd be instructing our players to play on the very edges of the rules. The big teams don't think twice about injuring our players, we should go out and do the same. Start leaving one on them.

We can start surrounding the refs like the big teams do, again on the edge of the rules, and try to intimidate them.

Our players get clobbered every week and have no protection from the officials. If we start snapping the opposition and cause a few injuries then that is just within the scope of the game. No different to diving because the refs allow it.

They always make an example of us, Niasse being the first to get the three match ban, nothing since then as AFIK.  I do t want us to start injuring other players, let’s play them off the park instead, yes put in hard tackles but not at the expense of getting sent off, cos we all know our players will.

We need to be much smarter and vocal at the right time, on Sunday we should have been challenging the decision for a penalty on Siggy as he put his shot in, Maguire was in the refs ear all game long.

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I'd appeal and appeal....

Ancellotti was doing no different to what Maguire and the United players were all game.... their player laid their hands on the ref.... time to really get at them. 

 

A little thing that really irritated me is that Garth Crooks included Maguire in his team of the week. Can you believe that? Salt in wound.

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28 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

A little thing that really irritated me is that Garth Crooks included Maguire in his team of the week. Can you believe that? Salt in wound.

Tbf I'd love him to be in my team playing like that.  Pain in the arse when it's an opponent.

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2 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/03/carlo-ancelotti-orders-everton-backroom-staff-to-improve-their-english

Ancelotti’s comments on midfield combos, and need for more “energy.”  Does “energy” mean pace, toughness, relentlessness, what?

Energy is spot on..... it covers much of what it we miss.

Energy to get in the right shape, energy to close down and tackle, energy to show for a pass, energy to break..... not hiding.

We miss Ganas energy, look at billy Gilmour last night.  Only a kid, such bravery to want the ball..... win it, pass it, make space to receive it, move it.  Brilliant. 

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

i've never been a fan of his.  i player i love with energy is idrissa gana gueye

Gana has energy but not the ability on the ball, I may be wrong but I think Ancelotti is looking for more than just a ball winner, he wants that a long with vision when in possession and an eye for a goal, basically I think he wants a good all rounder with a good engine on him. 
That’s why I mentioned Henderson I feel he works hard for the team covers a lot of ground, yet possess intelligent passing long and short and has a good shot on him, also Maddison is a good shout imo. 

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13 hours ago, Palfy said:

I know not many will like to hear this but a good example of player with energy in midfield is Henderson. 

Very good player. Took his ability and made the absolute most of it.  Yeah, he epitomizes energy.  Unbelievable athlete, 100% effort every game and you know when he's not playing. 

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2 minutes ago, Bill said:

They're still saying it was disallowed because of offside but surely it can't be offside if a defender got the last touch.

The moment the ball is played forward, Sigurdsson is offside so it doesn’t matter that it hit the defender. If the defender had control of the ball and passed it back then there wouldn’t be any offside.

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4 minutes ago, Bill said:

They're still saying it was disallowed because of offside but surely it can't be offside if a defender got the last touch.

Bill there were a few things that the offside rule clearly states it was not off side, as you say there player got the last touch, the keepers view wasn’t obscured, and Gylfi made no attempt to play the ball he actually did the complete opposite. 
We were robbed by the incompetence of VAR and I’m still totally gutted by what’s happened. 

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25 minutes ago, c1982 said:

The moment the ball is played forward, Sigurdsson is offside so it doesn’t matter that it hit the defender. If the defender had control of the ball and passed it back then there wouldn’t be any offside.

True enough, the fact that it was an involuntary touch by slabhead makes it irrelevant; if he'd have made an intentional swing at it and the result had been the same then Gylfi would've been played "on". Still think it should've stood though.

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

True enough, the fact that it was an involuntary touch by slabhead makes it irrelevant; if he'd have made an intentional swing at it and the result had been the same then Gylfi would've been played "on". Still think it should've stood though.

I’m for VAR in theory but it just seems like Premier League make it up as they go along. The lineman and ref gave the goal and then it was disallowed by VAR. They keep saying that they’ll back the ref and only overturn clear and obvious errors. This wasn’t clear and obvious in that it’s down to the interpretation of ‘in the field of view’. So it should have stood. Add this to the blatant penalty on Siggy 5 seconds prior that in my opinion they didn’t review at the time but later said they did when asked by the Everton interested media. I say they didn’t review it as at the ground there was no ‘checking for penalty’ VAR screen only ‘checking goal’ (& that it was such a clear goal that a blind man with patches over both his eyes at night could have seen it). 

It’s alright though, it’s only little old Everton. 

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10 hours ago, c1982 said:

The moment the ball is played forward, Sigurdsson is offside so it doesn’t matter that it hit the defender. If the defender had control of the ball and passed it back then there wouldn’t be any offside.

This is and has been the rule since the offside rule was invented as far as I know. 
 

Similar to the Shits goal in the 80’s euro final. Was it McDermot lying on the floor injured when they scored? The opposition cries for offside, but the goal was given. The big difference was he was to the side and not involved at all.

But for me Gylfi didn’t make any impact on the outcome and the goal should have stood.

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10 hours ago, barryj said:

I’m for VAR in theory but it just seems like Premier League make it up as they go along. The lineman and ref gave the goal and then it was disallowed by VAR. They keep saying that they’ll back the ref and only overturn clear and obvious errors. This wasn’t clear and obvious in that it’s down to the interpretation of ‘in the field of view’. So it should have stood. Add this to the blatant penalty on Siggy 5 seconds prior that in my opinion they didn’t review at the time but later said they did when asked by the Everton interested media. I say they didn’t review it as at the ground there was no ‘checking for penalty’ VAR screen only ‘checking goal’ (& that it was such a clear goal that a blind man with patches over both his eyes at night could have seen it). 

It’s alright though, it’s only little old Everton. 

Basically, we're big enough for the authorities to make an example of (not just on this, we've been done on a few other things as we know) but not big enough that we can actually do anything about it.

We're the perfect club for the FA/PL.

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13 hours ago, c1982 said:

The moment the ball is played forward, Sigurdsson is offside so it doesn’t matter that it hit the defender. If the defender had control of the ball and passed it back then there wouldn’t be any offside.

No your wrong, how many times have we seen players walking back from an offside position while on of their own men run past and play the ball. Your not offside until you play the ball and Siggy didn't.

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2 hours ago, Bill said:

No your wrong, how many times have we seen players walking back from an offside position while on of their own men run past and play the ball. Your not offside until you play the ball and Siggy didn't.

Or interfere with play by obstructing the keepers view and he clearly never did that, as the keeper moves to his right to save the shot indicating he had a clear view of DCL and the ball at all times. 

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21 hours ago, Bill said:

No your wrong, how many times have we seen players walking back from an offside position while on of their own men run past and play the ball. Your not offside until you play the ball and Siggy didn't.

Or interfere with play as Palfy points out. I don’t think he was interfering with play but that’s the reason the ref/VAR has disallowed it.

The example you’re giving is when players ahead of the game are not interfering with play.

18 hours ago, Palfy said:

Or interfere with play by obstructing the keepers view and he clearly never did that, as the keeper moves to his right to save the shot indicating he had a clear view of DCL and the ball at all times. 

Exactly!

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

C1982, the result of var at the match came up on the giant screen as no goal - offside.  In an interview 15 minutes after the game the reason had changed to - in line of the goalies vision.  Both explanations where wrong. I say again.... We got stuffed by VAR.

It hadn't, the reason for the goal (wrongly) not being given was offside however it was explained. There was no way they could've put "no goal - offside because Sigurðsson was in an offside position and obstructing the goalkeepers view" on the screen.

That said you're right, we got stuffed by VAR.

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2 hours ago, Bill said:

C1982, the result of var at the match came up on the giant screen as no goal - offside.  In an interview 15 minutes after the game the reason had changed to - in line of the goalies vision.  Both explanations where wrong. I say again.... We got stuffed by VAR.

Offside/ in goalie’s vision are exactly the same explanation of why it was disallowed. I haven’t disagreed about us being stuffed by VAR - we were as I don’t think Gylfi affected the play - as rightly said de Gea was already wrong footed.

Your original post said, ‘They're still saying it was disallowed because of offside but surely it can't be offside if a defender got the last touch.’

I merely pointed out that, it was a deflection and if the ref/VAR (wrongly) saw Gylfi as offside and interfering in play then it CAN be offside if the defender got the last touch with it being a deflection.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

It hadn't, the reason for the goal (wrongly) not being given was offside however it was explained. There was no way they could've put "no goal - offside because Sigurðsson was in an offside position and obstructing the goalkeepers view" on the screen.

That said you're right, we got stuffed by VAR.

But if Siggy had just gotten up and moved we wouldn’t have (even if he was fouled). I’m a fan of his and I’m trying to give him a chance to prove everyone wrong but when he does things like that he’s not helping us or his defense. 

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