Bailey Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Newty82 said: We used the same site there! I think it's hard to judge transfers more now. Every PL club is getting ripped off, well, below the top 6 anyway. It's all an expensive gamble. Great minds I agree, every club has money and every club is charging a premium on their players as a result. Maybe wages would show a better picture? https://www.statista.com/statistics/675303/average-epl-salary-by-team/ https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/22/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2017-18-accounts-manchester-united-city Either way whilst they may be in the bottom half of the table for that its not like there is a significant difference. I would also say that despite the far better quality of players they have now compared to when they first came up, I don't know how much better they actually are. Burnley for example are still very similar in their mould, they haven't really gone out and spent money on anyone significant and yet despite the Europa League burden they weren't prepared for they were only 5 points worth off than Bournemouth last season. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 24/11/2019 at 12:17, sydneyneil said: I believe it’s happening tomorrow. Wont happen until at least after Anfield, unless the team fully downs tools, in which case it will be internal stop gap. On 24/11/2019 at 12:34, Newty82 said: Eddie Howe. Still only 41. Now in his 5th PL season. Knows the league. Has proven himself in the league. As far as I'm concerned, has gone above expectation with Bournemouth. Plays good football, Bournemouth are mostly good to watch as a neutral. His chance in a bigger pond is coming. And I think he'll do well when that chance comes. Of course, he's English. Which in the mad world of English PL football makes him less desirable than an unknown foreigner. isn't he an Evertonian too? Edit: One of the common criteria amongst fans, or demands, is that the manager 'gets' Everton. He'd 'get' Everton... https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/eddie-howe-everton-dream-how-11275635 Someone else said it, he hasn't really progressed. Did well, really well, to establish them as perennials in the Premier League, but don't see them taking the next step, tactically or with recruitment. Would have been a great shout instead of Martinez at that time. On 25/11/2019 at 07:35, Palfy said: Apparently Arteta has been offered the job they are waiting on his response, before they look for option B which may well be Moyes on a short term contract. This according to Football Insider 1hr ago. I guess that's at least believable. City now looking unlikely to win the league, they might be looking for the next manager in the summer and this could be a good time for him to move on. Definitely a risk for us, but I think he'd have the instant respect of the dressing room and could deal with the personalities, which is where Silva fails massively. I don't think we'll see someone with no PL experience, that's not something you do on your 4th restart of your rebuilding program in the middle of the season. Reasonable choices who could conceivably be interested in the job are short on the ground: Poch - 0 chance, but sure, give him a call for shits and giggles. Arteta - Maybe, he's a bigger risk than the Spanish waiter. Could he be paired with very strong #2? Dunc - Not yet, maybe next time, seems to be developing in that direction though. Rafa - Could be had, wouldn't hurt our reputation with prospective players, would stabilize and get rid of trash. No question for me that he could work with what we have. He managed it at Newcastle and the quality they had is far below us, despite all the flops and dead wood. Don't hate the idea. Moyes - Mixed emotions, but as others have said that was then, this is now. Howe - as above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think arteta would be gettable. He has a song already and could probably get a game in our midfield as is. He has a cv for someone so young as a coach for delivering sessions to some of the best players in the world. This cannot be sniffed at. He’s played for huge teams and I’m coming to the reality that he is going to a big club regardless and I want that to be us. I was all for Rafa last week but my mind has changed Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2019/11/27/20985223/everton-new-manager-latest-jorge-jesus-flamengo-world-club-championship-marco-silva-future Yet another into the mix.. We need a proven manger in the Premier League and Moshiri allegedly wants someone who can excite the fans, don't think they can come together however good this Jesus is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 I have just seen a link on Lucien Favre as his job at Dortmund is looking like it is under pressure. I don't really know a lot about him but his Wikipedia page sounds pretty promising in that he has done very well at almost every club he has been at. It even says the following, which I think may have been written by his mum: Style of management Favre's teams play a dynamic, quick and attacking-minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. This attractive style of play has brought results in every club he has managed. Furthermore, Favre is very skillful tactically, leaving his opponents struggling to penetrate his well-organized sides. His teams tend to shoot less than others but have a high conversion rate, also with shots coming from outside the box. Favre likes the opponents conversion rate to be on the low end. His teams stick out at the wrong end of expected goals statistics. Favre has a reputation of predicting well how opposing teams, coaches or players tend to react in certain situations. To play this style Favre pays attention to details and technique especially one-to-one.[11][12][13][14][15] Favre is also well known for his ability to develop talented young players and introduce them into the first team. Under his leadership, Blerim Džemaili, Almen Abdi, Steve von Bergen and Gökhan Inler all made their debut with the Switzerland national team before signing for foreign clubs. In 2007, Zürich became Swiss champions with an average age of 21.5 years. He is also credited with raising the game of German starlet Marco Reus, whose fine performances procured a call up to the Germany national team and a high-priced move to league champions Borussia Dortmund; Marc-André ter Stegen, who eventually joined Barcelona; and Christoph Kramer. Another example of his ability to develop youngsters into widely sought after, talented players is seen in Granit Xhaka, who initially struggled when he joined Gladbach but, under Favre's tutelage, eventually thrived, becoming one of the best central midfielders in Germany and sealing a move to Arsenal for a fee reported to be in excess of €30 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Favre has done a good job at most of his clubs. Even really good. I think he would be a good fit. If he made Xhaka look so good Arsenal forked 30 million for him imagine what he could do with Schneiderlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Emery's available now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, MikeO said: Emery's available now. I'm fuming Arsenal have sacked him first. They've lost 3 PL games this season, we've lost 7 and have had a dream run of fixtures really. How much shitter do we have to get before our board say enough is enough? And yeah, I was against jumping the gun sacking Silva. But losing at home to Norwich with a display that abject had to be a line in the sand. I honestly cannot believe we haven't acted. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 On 25/11/2019 at 19:00, pete0 said: Integrated? How old was he when he starting playing through choice rather than forced by injury? What age when he was finally played in his position centrally? What's there not to get about teenagers and adults being different? Are you deliberately ignoring the fact Ossie had a long term knee injury gat kept him out for over a year just as he was breaking through ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Spot on again this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/11/29/everton-might-searching-new-manager-first-must-work-really/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Can’t argue with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Ange Postecoglou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Bailey said: I have just seen a link on Lucien Favre as his job at Dortmund is looking like it is under pressure. I don't really know a lot about him but his Wikipedia page sounds pretty promising in that he has done very well at almost every club he has been at. It even says the following, which I think may have been written by his mum: Style of management Favre's teams play a dynamic, quick and attacking-minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. This attractive style of play has brought results in every club he has managed. Furthermore, Favre is very skillful tactically, leaving his opponents struggling to penetrate his well-organized sides. His teams tend to shoot less than others but have a high conversion rate, also with shots coming from outside the box. Favre likes the opponents conversion rate to be on the low end. His teams stick out at the wrong end of expected goals statistics. Favre has a reputation of predicting well how opposing teams, coaches or players tend to react in certain situations. To play this style Favre pays attention to details and technique especially one-to-one.[11][12][13][14][15] Favre is also well known for his ability to develop talented young players and introduce them into the first team. Under his leadership, Blerim Džemaili, Almen Abdi, Steve von Bergen and Gökhan Inler all made their debut with the Switzerland national team before signing for foreign clubs. In 2007, Zürich became Swiss champions with an average age of 21.5 years. He is also credited with raising the game of German starlet Marco Reus, whose fine performances procured a call up to the Germany national team and a high-priced move to league champions Borussia Dortmund; Marc-André ter Stegen, who eventually joined Barcelona; and Christoph Kramer. Another example of his ability to develop youngsters into widely sought after, talented players is seen in Granit Xhaka, who initially struggled when he joined Gladbach but, under Favre's tutelage, eventually thrived, becoming one of the best central midfielders in Germany and sealing a move to Arsenal for a fee reported to be in excess of €30 million. Would love Favre, but think our chance with him was pre-Dortmund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Are you deliberately ignoring the fact Ossie had a long term knee injury gat kept him out for over a year just as he was breaking through ? Those injuries impacted him getting chosen by the last manager. He was well over them by the time Moyes came. If the injuries are stopping him from being first choice they'd also have been stopping him from starting when someone else got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 hours ago, nogs said: I'm fuming Arsenal have sacked him first. They've lost 3 PL games this season, we've lost 7 and have had a dream run of fixtures really. How much shitter do we have to get before our board say enough is enough? And yeah, I was against jumping the gun sacking Silva. But losing at home to Norwich with a display that abject had to be a line in the sand. I honestly cannot believe we haven't acted. Some of the names mentioned for them overlap with the names mentioned for us. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nogs Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said: Some of the names mentioned for them overlap with the names mentioned for us. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Yep. Means they are in the hunt first though. I'm pretty depressed by the rumour that Silva has been kept on because Kenwright and Moshiri don't agree on what to do next. That spells massive trouble for me. I'd rather both were kept well out of it. Brands has been given a place on the board - for me next manager should be his pick, otherwise what's the point of having a DoF with such a senior position at the club? JimmytheJimster, markjazzbassist, Romey 1878 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 12 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Spot on again this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/11/29/everton-might-searching-new-manager-first-must-work-really/ Can’t read it as it needs a subscription but it starts off as patronising as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 46 minutes ago, nogs said: Yep. Means they are in the hunt first though. I'm pretty depressed by the rumour that Silva has been kept on because Kenwright and Moshiri don't agree on what to do next. That spells massive trouble for me. I'd rather both were kept well out of it. Brands has been given a place on the board - for me next manager should be his pick, otherwise what's the point of having a DoF with such a senior position at the club? Problem is that it’s Brands who wants to persevere isn’t it. He is in the media today saying how important it is to have patience with the current set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 47 minutes ago, nogs said: Yep. Means they are in the hunt first though. I'm pretty depressed by the rumour that Silva has been kept on because Kenwright and Moshiri don't agree on what to do next. That spells massive trouble for me. I'd rather both were kept well out of it. Brands has been given a place on the board - for me next manager should be his pick, otherwise what's the point of having a DoF with such a senior position at the club? Problem is that it’s Brands who wants to persevere isn’t it. He is in the media today saying how important it is to have patience with the current set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, Shukes said: Problem is that it’s Brands who wants to persevere isn’t it. He is in the media today saying how important it is to have patience with the current set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, barryj said: Can’t read it as needs a subscription but it starts of as patronising as ever. For patronising read home truths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Shukes said: Problem is that it’s Brands who wants to persevere isn’t it. He is in the media today saying how important it is to have patience with the current set up. Or he's been sent out set put the official club position out there with speculation rife. He can hardly come out and say we need to change manager if the top brass have decided not yet! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Shukes said: Problem is that it’s Brands who wants to persevere isn’t it. He is in the media today saying how important it is to have patience with the current set up. It worked for him at PSV, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 We are not PSV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 4 hours ago, nogs said: Or he's been sent out set put the official club position out there with speculation rife. He can hardly come out and say we need to change manager if the top brass have decided not yet! Which would show he’s not the man making these decisions. Either way the result is the same unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 11 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: We are not PSV Made me think of this for some reason http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjXim0lAto&t=0m55s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 And Marco is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Been thinking about it today. I think the outstanding candidate would be nagalsmann at leipzig. It would be a big risk for him and I don’t think he would come till the summer. If that was possible that means an interim manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Any manager not picked by Moshiri. rubecula and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisJD Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Ange Postecoglou is now 1 game from wrapping up the Japanese J1 league in his second season, with comfortable the highest goals scored in the league. This was a team he started managing half way through last season that was bottom 3. Every club (and national team) he has managed he has stamped his attacking football on, and won leagues and trophies, while entertaining. This guy is coming to Europe, it's a shame he won't be on Evertons radar, because this is a guy that could do something special for Everton with our talent and resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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