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Liverpool (FA Cup Away) Sunday January 5th

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I’d be pretty ashamed if I were to get any sort of pay check this week and was a part of that. Seriously all of them can get fucked with that. Digne is a shadow of himself. Sidibe is hot and cold. We have no midfield. It’s just pathetic. 
 

Carlo needs a bit of a wobble here as well, if silva was behind that team we wouldn’t hear the end of it.

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No fight, no passion, no initiative. Just not good enough. This is worse than the 5-2 game. We didn't even turn up at all.

Going out and signing another load of £40m players is not the answer. We need players that will fight for the shirt and are fit enough to play a game of football. Far too many of these look happy enough to potter about the pitch and earn their astronomical wages.

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I want to scream. That was woeful. An absolute embarrassment to this club.

A number of poor performances but for the whole game - Schneiderlein. I've never felt so angry with one single player. All he did was jog around at half pace, no effort at all. Everytime I looked at him, jogging half arsed.

Cannot believe what we've just had to watch.

Can't find the words really. Fuckin awful.

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

What an embarrassment. 

I was hoping with a manager like Ancellotti games like this wouldn't get away from us like that, but, it's same old Everton. 

 

When you have players who for the past 2 years have been strolling in to training smiling, laughing, losing and not looking bothered then This is what you get....

No manager is gonna impact players like them this soon. The piss poor weak players felt like they were expected to win and crumbled.... they like being overpaid underdogs 

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3 minutes ago, Btay said:

I’d be pretty ashamed if I were to get any sort of pay check this week and was a part of that. Seriously all of them can get fucked with that. Digne is a shadow of himself. Sidibe is hot and cold. We have no midfield. It’s just pathetic. 
 

Carlo needs a bit of a wobble here as well, if silva was behind that team we wouldn’t hear the end of it.

I agree with all of that. 

I am hugely surprised that there seemed to be no real changes in the way we played as the game went on. I was expecting a tweak or change at half time as they were the better side.

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I have been watching EFC since the 50s never have i been so embarrassed to be a blue, No manager we have ever had has sent out 11 cowards.

We will not hear the end of this in the next 25 years no matter how well we go on to do.

Carlo carries the can for a lot of that, he gives them confidence, or not as it showed thats his job.

We fought for nothing and let kids run rings around us, this is my lowest ebb as a blue, not one shot on target in the second half.

 

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I've argued with many in here who don't see the value in bringing youth players through. Well we've just been knocked out the FA Cup by an U23 side who are clearly being coached to play in exactly the same way as the senior side, with one clear objective - they are absolutely ready to step in if and when needed. We've just won the last couple of PL2 titles, which means our U23s are in theory better than that lot. So what would have happened if we'd played Unsworth's side tonight? Why the fuck are we persisting with the likes of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Walcott, even Digne now, when they cannot keep up with a bunch of kids that our kids have beaten??

We can hate Liverpool all we want. But if you want success as a football club, that's how you do it. We're just set up for mediocrity, top to bottom.. 

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1 minute ago, milesey05 said:

Pickford was our best player on the pitch.

It’s the 10 useless fuck wits in front of him.

Lowest point in 35 years of supporting Everton today.

fucking kids! Fucking kids!!!

Pickford played a hopeless ball straight out to Liverpool for them to score

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4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

When you have players who for the past 2 years have been strolling in to training smiling, laughing, losing and not looking bothered then This is what you get....

No manager is gonna impact players like them this soon. The piss poor weak players felt like they were expected to win and crumbled.... they like being overpaid underdogs 

Dunc had them playing with heart and fight right away, why make excuses for Carlo he carries a lot of responsibility for those cowards today

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1 minute ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Pickford played a hopeless ball straight out to Liverpool for them to score

Mina, Holgate and Sidebe fucking around with it all game. Mina should have got closer to attacker.

i thought Pickford was our best player imo 

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Bill shankly was right liverpool and liverpool reserves are the best 2 teams in the city !!!. What an embarrassing shower of shit.

Pickford no chance for goal apart from that 6 out of ten can't separate the rest all 0 out of ten 

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Most of these players need to go. The whole project needs to be getting rid of the whole squad over the next few windows and bringing in fresh blood with the right attitude. These big wages need to be knocked on the head. We want players who want to play first and be concerned about their wages second.

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The worst result in Everton’s history. Beaten by Liverpool Reserves - who deserved to win.

Dross from back to front but with a central midfield of Sneiderlein, Sigurdsson and Delph what can we expect. Absolute garbage.

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They had more energy than us - simple. We played our best team although most of them had played a serious amount of games in a short period and it showed. Gylfi and Morgan were a training drill for the young, faster kids. Delph and Davies would have given more energy. Walcott should never have been the last sub - Carlo got that seriously wrong. We went 2 uptop and started giving Mina hospital balls at the back trying to play it out.

Since Martinez’s downturn we’ve started this 3/4 pass procedure that ends up with the fullback or CDM going back to the keeper and a rushed clearance forward resulting in the ball coming back at us. Our initial intent is sideways or backwards - it needs to change.

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2 minutes ago, nogs said:

I've argued with many in here who don't see the value in bringing youth players through. Well we've just been knocked out the FA Cup by an U23 side who are clearly being coached to play in exactly the same way as the senior side, with one clear objective - they are absolutely ready to step in if and when needed. We've just won the last couple of PL2 titles, which means our U23s are in theory better than that lot. So what would have happened if we'd played Unsworth's side tonight? Why the fuck are we persisting with the likes of Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Walcott, even Digne now, when they cannot keep up with a bunch of kids that our kids have beaten??

We can hate Liverpool all we want. But if you want success as a football club, that's how you do it. We're just set up for mediocrity, top to bottom.. 

I agree with some of this. If you have holes in your side, then you need to look to the academy to fill the void. We have so many holes in midfield that the partnerships we try all suffer from the same problems. Too slow, weak and therefore not aggressive enough. You cant get away with Davies, Siggy, Delph, Schneiderlin against quick and mobile counterparts. We got away with it to an extent against Chelsea, but we didn't lay a glove on City and we did the same again today. 

It's not a problem to have some of those players above involved but they need to be playing with someone who can cover the ground and get about the pitch and not leave 20-30 yards between them and the striker with every forward ball. None of those players are going to risk making a run forward if they can't guarentee the ball will be held up enough because if they lose the ball they are miles out of position and can't get back. We desperately need some energy in midfield but we aren't going to get any until Gbamin is fit unless we make moves in the transfer window.

The other side of that argument is who comes in and do they have the skills that compliment the first teamers? Can Adeniran do that? If not who else is there that can? I'm sure if Gordon was a central midfielder he would have been playing games by now. 

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1 minute ago, MC11 said:

The worst result in Everton’s history. Beaten by Liverpool Reserves - who deserved to win.

Dross from back to front but with a central midfield of Sneiderlein, Sigurdsson and Delph what can we expect. Absolute garbage.

All 3 can go. What’s worse is, it’s actually our academy players that have excelled and won things recently yet those poor kids are watching Liverpool’s academy players give our first XI the run around.

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Just now, Btay said:

All 3 can go. What’s worse is, it’s actually our academy players that have excelled and won things recently yet those poor kids are watching Liverpool’s academy players give our first XI the run around.

True. Most of our big signings have been utter flops. Even Digne is starting to look like he should lose his place to a 35 yr old Baines. The problem is that since Moshiri has arrived he has attempted to fix a problem by throwing money at it. Most of our best signings have all been on the lower end of the price scale. Whenever we spend £25m+ we invariably buy a donkey.

We are paying too much to sign players, offering them too much money on long contracts and it isn't working.

Sandro is the epitome of our backward recruitment strategy. A player on what, £25k in Spain? Now we offer him 4 times that to come. If he needed to be offered that much then he was always the wrong player.

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We lacked any sort of confidence today, when we did get a chance we fluffed it, should have been 3 up by half time with the game out of sight. The slow negative midfield was applying in the second half, we allowed their kids to grow in confidence and win with a great strike.

Carlo said he was waiting until after today to look at transfers, well he now really has a good idea of what’s needed, we need to be aggressive in getting rid of the players who are failing us week in week out, Siggy, Schniederlin, Delph, the others I can live with until the summer.

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6 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

At Moshiri's door, came in thinking he could run a football club... couldn't run the proverbial piss up

Thinks he can just throw money around and all the problems will go away. Our best signings have all been bargain basement 

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7 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

True. Most of our big signings have been utter flops. Even Digne is starting to look like he should lose his place to a 35 yr old Baines. The problem is that since Moshiri has arrived he has attempted to fix a problem by throwing money at it. Most of our best signings have all been on the lower end of the price scale. Whenever we spend £25m+ we invariably buy a donkey.

We are paying too much to sign players, offering them too much money on long contracts and it isn't working.

Sandro is the epitome of our backward recruitment strategy. A player on what, £25k in Spain? Now we offer him 4 times that to come. If he needed to be offered that much then he was always the wrong player.

The problem is the players that are not performing are also arrogant enough to think they are doing enough. Delph came on and showed nothing. Say in front of Mina and watched long balls go upto DCL who won them but Liverpool’s midfield had the desire to make the transition to win the second ball. I actually think DCL did about all he could - should have scored, on his left but should have scored. 

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1 minute ago, Btay said:

The problem is the players that are not performing are also arrogant enough to think they are doing enough. Delph came on and showed nothing. Say in front of Mina and watched long balls go upto DCL who won them but Liverpool’s midfield had the desire to make the transition to win the second ball. I actually think DCL did about all he could - should have scored, on his left but should have scored. 

That has been our problem since we signed Siggy and Schneiderlin. They just aren't supporting the front player. They haven't got the fitness or the determination to get up and down the pitch. We look so lethargic in midfield.

We will have to see how this Gbamin turns out after his return from injury. Gomes is a knock quantity that I would keep around. The rest of them, and I'm sorry to say it includes Davies, should all be shipped out. They're just missing the very basic qualities to be a footballer and that is athleticism.

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49 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

This is probably the worst I've felt after watching an Everton game since I started supporting them. I thought it couldn't get any worse this season. 

The Dystin semi final was the worst I’ve felt this is so close tho 

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3 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Even though I'm pissed off, having a little giggle to myself how quickly us fans turn. From some good results, getting Carlo, feeling good, build on these players to a shite result, sell the lot. Carlos fault. Moshiri is a mess.

We are Everton, its what we do.

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43 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Pickford has been awful for months. He was at fault for the goal, passed it straight to them and they score from it. Everything he touched either went out or back to Liverpool.

I dont disagree but it would help him if any of the 10 in front of him actually wanted the fucking ball.

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8 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Even though I'm pissed off, having a little giggle to myself how quickly us fans turn. From some good results, getting Carlo, feeling good, build on these players to a shite result, sell the lot. Carlos fault. Moshiri is a mess.

Don’t blame Carlo at all. He’s lumbered with shit and there is no way he will stand for that. It’s sensitive but we need a clear out and I’m sure he knows what to do.

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17 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Even though I'm pissed off, having a little giggle to myself how quickly us fans turn. From some good results, getting Carlo, feeling good, build on these players to a shite result, sell the lot. Carlos fault. Moshiri is a mess.

Exactly, Carlo doesn’t play the game.  He set us out to win and we should have the first half.   It his fault the players are shite and can’t finish.  Second half he the players just wanted a rest and didn’t want to play.  Not sure what he’s supposed to do.

 

not on Carlo for me.  Awful midfield and Walcott who couldnt pass to a brick wall the culprits.

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56 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Dunc had them playing with heart and fight right away, why make excuses for Carlo he carries a lot of responsibility for those cowards today

Totally. A name doesn’t give you an excuse. Any other manage would be getting ripped.

We know it’s a project, but total capitulation in the second half, cannot be excused. Awful performance and an embarrassment. 
 

Said it after the last game. Bang back down to earth. Loads of work to be done.

But even I could see... Morgan has been shit for a very long time, picking him is a mistake.

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7 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Don’t blame Carlo at all. He’s lumbered with shit and there is no way he will stand for that. It’s sensitive but we need a clear out and I’m sure he knows what to do.

I think he made mistakes today. Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin in the middle is a disaster waiting to happen. I keep saying it but I'll say it again - when do we ever win when Schneiderlin starts? I also thought the way we went long so often first half was a mistake. Yes we forged chances we should have taken, but we also gave away possession easily and allowed an inexperienced opposition to grow in confidence with the ball. We saw their defence was vulnerable first half, we should have been able to dominate the ball high up the pitch and pass through them. 

But yes, he is stuck with some utter dross. When will this cycle of signing sub par footballers end? Two things do worry me about what today could mean for us under Ancellotti though. One, I just don't think we'd have got that performance under Ferguson. Is Ancellotti able to light a fire under the plsyers and get the passion and commitment you need sometimes? Two, Liverpool put out a side that was clearly much fitter and sharper than ours. Ancellotti has said himself he doesn't like to work players too hard, which is fine with professionals at the top of their game. But I think we're desperate for a hard task master who will demand players either shape up or ship them out. 

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5 minutes ago, nogs said:

I think he made mistakes today. Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin in the middle is a disaster waiting to happen. I keep saying it but I'll say it again - when do we ever win when Schneiderlin starts? I also thought the way we went long so often first half was a mistake. Yes we forged chances we should have taken, but we also gave away possession easily and allowed an inexperienced opposition to grow in confidence with the ball. We saw their defence was vulnerable first half, we should have been able to dominate the ball high up the pitch and pass through them. 

But yes, he is stuck with some utter dross. When will this cycle of signing sub par footballers end? Two things do worry me about what today could mean for us under Ancellotti though. One, I just don't think we'd have got that performance under Ferguson. Is Ancellotti able to light a fire under the plsyers and get the passion and commitment you need sometimes? Two, Liverpool put out a side that was clearly much fitter and sharper than ours. Ancellotti has said himself he doesn't like to work players too hard, which is fine with professionals at the top of their game. But I think we're desperate for a hard task master who will demand players either shape up or ship them out. 

And so it starts 

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55 minutes ago, Bailey said:

To be fair Liverpool beat them everywhere apart from the scoreline. Villa just took their chances.

 

You mean apart from the 5 goals, yes they took us apart but we never had a shot in the 2nd half. dont get your point 

Villa played with bottle and spirit and scored 5 

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6 minutes ago, nogs said:

I think he made mistakes today. Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin in the middle is a disaster waiting to happen. I keep saying it but I'll say it again - when do we ever win when Schneiderlin starts? I also thought the way we went long so often first half was a mistake. Yes we forged chances we should have taken, but we also gave away possession easily and allowed an inexperienced opposition to grow in confidence with the ball. We saw their defence was vulnerable first half, we should have been able to dominate the ball high up the pitch and pass through them. 

But yes, he is stuck with some utter dross. When will this cycle of signing sub par footballers end? Two things do worry me about what today could mean for us under Ancellotti though. One, I just don't think we'd have got that performance under Ferguson. Is Ancellotti able to light a fire under the plsyers and get the passion and commitment you need sometimes? Two, Liverpool put out a side that was clearly much fitter and sharper than ours. Ancellotti has said himself he doesn't like to work players too hard, which is fine with professionals at the top of their game. But I think we're desperate for a hard task master who will demand players either shape up or ship them out. 

You should have talked to Carlo yourself before the game pal. That way we would have won. He has been here for four games with hardly any chance to spend time on the training field because of fixtures. 

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