Romey 1878 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, StevO said: If this lad is the experienced player Carlo wants in his team he’s the player we need. True, because the only thing Delph showed at the end of the Newcastle game is that he's an experienced dickhead. StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Hafnia said: That a not a bad ikea You still pulling Christmas crackers in your house mate Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, StevO said: If you’re a selling club then that’s an problem, if you want to be at the top end of the league it needs to be more about the impact on the team not on the accounts. On Gylfi, signing a 27 year old on a five year contract wasn’t bad. It’s the price you have to pay to get players in their prime. We have to have experienced players in the team, it’s an absolute must. They have to be the right experienced players, but that means having lads who aren’t 23 on the pitch. If only we had a 34 year old Gareth Barry on the pitch on Tuesday night, or even Phil Jagielka for that matter. If this lad is the experienced player Carlo wants in his team he’s the player we need. Honestly I think every club is a selling club unless you are Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, or Bayern. They are the only ones so flush with cash and so welL positioned FFP wise they don’t have to sell. Every other team in the world sells their best players to those teams so yes we are a selling team. Nothing to be ashamed of with that. Even with SAF United was a selling team offloading Ronaldo and Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 23 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Honestly I think every club is a selling club unless you are Man City, PSG, Real Madrid, Barca, or Bayern. They are the only ones so flush with cash and so welL positioned FFP wise they don’t have to sell. Every other team in the world sells their best players to those teams so yes we are a selling team. Nothing to be ashamed of with that. Even with SAF United was a selling team offloading Ronaldo and Beckham. So for that reason we should only buy young players who will be more valuable in the future and not buy players who are at their peak now? What happens if those young players don’t get better and their value decreases? I want players who can improve the team now. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 Agreed. We need to get out of the small club mentality. Buying for future sales is a Southampton mentality. We need to rise above. Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 I understand to an extent from where MJB is coming from. We have been stung a fair bit in the past few years by paying over the odds for average players that haven't improved the squad and have given us problems in trying to move them on. The price we paid and the amount they earn per week isn't the reason for that though, it's because we chased players that weren't suited to what we wanted to do as a club. Get the scouting right and price won't matter as you will always be finding value. Matt, markjazzbassist and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Bailey said: I understand to an extent from where MJB is coming from. We have been stung a fair bit in the past few years by paying over the odds for average players that haven't improved the squad and have given us problems in trying to move them on. The price we paid and the amount they earn per week isn't the reason for that though, it's because we chased players that weren't suited to what we wanted to do as a club. Get the scouting right and price won't matter as you will always be finding value. An example being Richarlison who we "broke the market" with and who, 18 months later,is one of the more promising young players in world football and likely worth twice what we paid. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, SpartyBlue said: An example being Richarlison who we "broke the market" with and who, 18 months later,is one of the more promising young players in world football and likely worth twice what we paid. Not a good example in my opinion because he was so young. Bailey and I are talkin g about the gylfi Walcott type signings where they are 28-29 when brought in and aren’t young anymore. So if they don’t work out we’ve paid for a player in their prime and will lose money because they are then past their prime. richarlisonn was 21 and the world his oyster. It was a big fee due to the watford Silva fiasco as well. Probably more like 30-35 in reality which is what we paid for bolasie and he sucked so I think it was a fine deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 https://forzaitalianfootball.com/2020/02/everton-keeping-tabs-on-napoli-midfielder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-ancelotti-reunion-allan-january-transfer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 40m euros and he just turned 29, doesn't seem like a brands type transfer to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Because it would be an Ancelotti transfer, not a Brands one. As much as I like Brands, we don’t know which transfers have been his doing as of yet but not many have set the world alight in the last couple of years. Trust Carlo if he wants this lad. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 hours ago, StevO said: Because it would be an Ancelotti transfer, not a Brands one. As much as I like Brands, we don’t know which transfers have been his doing as of yet but not many have set the world alight in the last couple of years. Trust Carlo if he wants this lad. its just not smart for the club. people continually bitch about gylfi, morgan, delph, because we bought them too late and have no exit plan in case they don't work out. we don't need another of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: its just not smart for the club. people continually bitch about gylfi, morgan, delph, because we bought them too late and have no exit plan in case they don't work out. we don't need another of those. I see people bitch about them playing shit, not the rest of it. And Brands was only here for Delph. We bought Morgan at a great time in his career, he’s just not been as good as we’d all have liked. Allan might be great for us! Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, StevO said: Allan might be great for us! i don't disagree, i just think financially it is a smart move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: i don't disagree, i just think financially it is a smart move I assume you’re missing a word there? Either way, whilst it may look steep there’s 3 important factors; 1) the market continues to inflate so the loss wouldn’t be as bad as it may seem. We could even break even if he’s the missing piece to midfield and he gets us into the CL 2) if Carlo and Brands want him, then he’s going to be worth them gamble 3) it pushes Delph further down the list of potential starters. StevO, markjazzbassist and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Matt said: I assume you’re missing a word there? Either way, whilst it may look steep there’s 3 important factors; 1) the market continues to inflate so the loss wouldn’t be as bad as it may seem. We could even break even if he’s the missing piece to midfield and he gets us into the CL 2) if Carlo and Brands want him, then he’s going to be worth them gamble 3) it pushes Delph further down the list of potential starters. yes i missed a word. for your 3rd point alone i'll start a gofund me to buy him KinL, StevO and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 It's all well and good buying for the future but you need experience in the team as well. If Carlo thinks that Gomes and Allan could be a good pairing in CM then I'm more than happy with us spending 40m on an area of the squad that needs more quality - especially it being such an important position on the pitch. duncanmckenzieismagic and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 16 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: its just not smart for the club. people continually bitch about gylfi, morgan, delph, because we bought them too late and have no exit plan in case they don't work out. we don't need another of those. I think this is the direction we’re trying to go in though. With Carlo and Marcel here. We’re trying to get away from being a club that buys for resale value. We want to become a club that buys players to make an impact on the team and win things, not just for resale value. leave that to the Southamptons. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Shukes said: I think this is the direction we’re trying to go in though. With Carlo and Marcel here. We’re trying to get away from being a club that buys for resale value. We want to become a club that buys players to make an impact on the team and win things, not just for resale value. leave that to the Southamptons. i'm sorry i think you misunderstood, i'm not saying to buy to resell, i'm saying buy young to get the world beaters before they are world beaters, ala ronaldo at united, not ronaldo at madrid. Going for broke on 1 or 2 campaigns is short sighted and something we've been doing for years. Shukes and DownUnderToff 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: i'm sorry i think you misunderstood, i'm not saying to buy to resell, i'm saying buy young to get the world beaters before they are world beaters, ala ronaldo at united, not ronaldo at madrid. Going for broke on 1 or 2 campaigns is short sighted and something we've been doing for years. But that’s always a gamble. Need to balance it. We’re now in a position to not worry so much about buy to sell, but that happens even at the richest clubs anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just now, Matt said: But that’s always a gamble. Need to balance it. We’re now in a position to not worry so much about buy to sell, but that happens even at the richest clubs anyway exactly. im all about having some dogged veterans providing guidance and calm on the pitch, but 40m for a 29 year old never played in the prem is a gamble not worth taking. 40m on richarlison proven in the league, super young and skies the limit is the gamble to take. DCl for 1.5m from league one is the gamble to take. lucas digne at 20m from barca young player is a gamble worth taking. catch my drift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: exactly. im all about having some dogged veterans providing guidance and calm on the pitch, but 40m for a 29 year old never played in the prem is a gamble not worth taking. 40m on richarlison proven in the league, super young and skies the limit is the gamble to take. DCl for 1.5m from league one is the gamble to take. lucas digne at 20m from barca young player is a gamble worth taking. catch my drift? Would you have paid the money for Gana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Matt said: Would you have paid the money for Gana? yes we bought him young, sold him old. we did that one so well. 6.5m buyout clause. granted i would have held onto him, but he wanted to go and we were shit at the time so i don't blame him. but the next time around when richarlison DCL etc are all 29 we should be in CL so they won't want to leave and then we don't have to endure that anymore, we can keep our veteran/prime players. and then when they are 31/32/33 and getting on we can move on when their contract ends or they can stay and be the veterans we need. but WE hold the cards. we are driven to sell because we have to, when we have Europe and we have money and only WE can choose who stays and who goes. to do that we need to build for the future, not for just next campaign, for the next 3-4. we have Baines and coleman to stick around and be vets in the locker room and on the bench. if we can get some older players on the cheap/free i'm all about it. the gareth barry deal i would do in my scenario. he was cheap and irreplaceable for us. if there are those players out there i'm all for them. but spending 40m on a player that age isn't wise i don't think. look at liverpool under klopp, young young young. now they are so strong and they keep buying young and when one goes down it's next man up and they are hungry and ready. i don't see them buying 29/30 year old players. minamino a great example. he was bought for under 10m. that is nothing in this market. granted they have CL and pull, but we can get there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 39 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: yes we bought him young, sold him old. we did that one so well. 6.5m buyout clause. granted i would have held onto him, but he wanted to go and we were shit at the time so i don't blame him. but the next time around when richarlison DCL etc are all 29 we should be in CL so they won't want to leave and then we don't have to endure that anymore, we can keep our veteran/prime players. and then when they are 31/32/33 and getting on we can move on when their contract ends or they can stay and be the veterans we need. but WE hold the cards. we are driven to sell because we have to, when we have Europe and we have money and only WE can choose who stays and who goes. to do that we need to build for the future, not for just next campaign, for the next 3-4. we have Baines and coleman to stick around and be vets in the locker room and on the bench. if we can get some older players on the cheap/free i'm all about it. the gareth barry deal i would do in my scenario. he was cheap and irreplaceable for us. if there are those players out there i'm all for them. but spending 40m on a player that age isn't wise i don't think. look at liverpool under klopp, young young young. now they are so strong and they keep buying young and when one goes down it's next man up and they are hungry and ready. i don't see them buying 29/30 year old players. minamino a great example. he was bought for under 10m. that is nothing in this market. granted they have CL and pull, but we can get there too. I meant, would you have paid the money we sold him for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, Matt said: I meant, would you have paid the money we sold him for? he's different. he was proven in the premier league with 2 teams and only was 25-30m. this guy is never proven in the league and 10-15m more. but to your question, i wouldn't know his abilities so i would have probably said no. but it's all hypothetical anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 17 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: i'm sorry i think you misunderstood, i'm not saying to buy to resell, i'm saying buy young to get the world beaters before they are world beaters, ala ronaldo at united, not ronaldo at madrid. Going for broke on 1 or 2 campaigns is short sighted and something we've been doing for years. Sorry I thought you were thinking of resale values. Yes I agree with finding the hidden gems while they are young and cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2020 These rumours just aren’t going away https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1269588/Everton-news-Allan-transfer-Napoli-PSG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted May 25, 2020 Report Share Posted May 25, 2020 https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/premier-league/everton-ofrece-millones-por-allan-7974278 Apparently we've had a €40 million bid rejected from Napoli. I'm sorry, but he's 29, and transfer fees are going to be significantly lowered due to covid. Please god don't come in for another bid. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2020 Quote https://tbrfootball.com/report-claims-everton-have-made-improved-offer-for-napoli-midfielder-allan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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