Aidan Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 37 minutes ago, Bailey said: Comparing stats for Southampton to stats for us is a waste of time as they play so differently to us. If we are going to play more like them then you can see the argument. None of our other midfielders can play that way (Gbamin unknown) so we will need to get rid of the rest. If you think he would come in to this midfield and play the way this team currently are then I think you will be disappointed. The fact that this lad excels statistically more than all of our central midfielders in both going forward and defensively seems to count for something doesn't it? I understand your point though, stats can be manipulated hugely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Comparing stats for Southampton to stats for us is a waste of time as they play so differently to us. If we are going to play more like them then you can see the argument. None of our other midfielders can play that way (Gbamin unknown) so we will need to get rid of the rest. If you think he would come in to this midfield and play the way this team currently are then I think you will be disappointed. Have you seen a lot of him Bailey? I’ve only ever seen him when he came on against us the other week. So I’ve honestly no opinion of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 So is he any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Ancelotti and Mourinho seems to think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 hours ago, Tonsta said: If you have to use stats you have lost the argument The amount of time I have read people explaining a player is good because of stats.... while thinking, ye but I was at the game.... he was shit!. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Shukes said: The amount of time I have read people explaining a player is good because of stats.... while thinking, ye but I was at the game.... he was shit!. We bought the likes of Gana and Keane because of their stats. They took us backwards. Moneyball doesn't work in football. StevO and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, pete0 said: We bought the likes of Gana and Keane because of their stats. They took us backwards. Moneyball doesn't work in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 16 hours ago, c1982 said: Who knows how we play at the moment? I certainly don’t! Ancelotti hasn’t been able to implement his style fully and has been hamstrung by injuries and not having players who fit what he sees as a winning system. What I do know is we lack energy, leadership and aggression so someone in the Hojbjerg mould sounds like just what we need and probably another central midfielder too. This is clearly our weak point and I trust Ancelotti/Brands will get the right blend. We may have had that this year had it not been for injuries but, that, we will never know. That is why I gave myself the out of how we might want to play next year We do lack energy but that is as much about the tactics as it is the player. He wasn't as energetic under Puel. I dont see him as a leader either. 16 hours ago, Aidan said: The fact that this lad excels statistically more than all of our central midfielders in both going forward and defensively seems to count for something doesn't it? I understand your point though, stats can be manipulated hugely. Not really. The question you have to ask yourself after watching him is how well would he fit into our system or likewise how would our midfield look in their system. Im not saying our midfield could do what he does for Southampton but then again I dont see him doing anything extra in our current system (with my comments above and previously taken into account). 14 hours ago, StevO said: Have you seen a lot of him Bailey? I’ve only ever seen him when he came on against us the other week. So I’ve honestly no opinion of him. I have watched him a bit but not game after game. I have only watched part games too, not the full 90. I dont think I have seen him post lockdown. I heard a lot about him early on and one of my Soton supporting mates does say that he is a good player (albeit not a patch on Lemina). The one game I did watch is the 9-0 loss to Leicester which was a game that I was bitterly disappointed with. I'm not talking about towards the end of the game but when they had 11 men and then just after they had gone down to 10. If you watch the short highlights package on Google you will see him (number 23) giving up completely on two Leicester attacks despite being a central midfielder. I would recommend people do watch that short clip because it is pretty shocking. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Bailey said: Not really. The question you have to ask yourself after watching him is how well would he fit into our system or likewise how would our midfield look in their system. Im not saying our midfield could do what he does for Southampton but then again I dont see him doing anything extra in our current system (with my comments above and previously taken into account) Maybe Carlo sees something in him for a new system he wants to implement. Maybe at a price he is added depth over quality. Wonder if this is a Brands signing or an Ancelotti signing. Either way I doubt he will be the only first team player we sign in central midfield this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 I think this is the type of signing we need. Young, Relatively cheap, a bread and butter footballer who will set an example of what work rate and attitude is. Low risk financially, box to box, got a shot on him, energy, tenacious..... We badly lack character... I think he has that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Soton playing better without him. That's how good he is.. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Aidan said: Maybe Carlo sees something in him for a new system he wants to implement. Maybe at a price he is added depth over quality. Wonder if this is a Brands signing or an Ancelotti signing. Either way I doubt he will be the only first team player we sign in central midfield this season. We have been linked for a while I believe so I would guess Brands. 4 hours ago, Hafnia said: I think this is the type of signing we need. Young, Relatively cheap, a bread and butter footballer who will set an example of what work rate and attitude is. Low risk financially, box to box, got a shot on him, energy, tenacious..... We badly lack character... I think he has that. Look at his character in the Leicester game I mentioned. At 0-0 and 1-0 he completely gives up on his teammates. I'd also question his attitude with what has happened for his contract. Something has clearly gone on behind the scenes. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Hafnia said: I think this is the type of signing we need. Young, Relatively cheap, a bread and butter footballer who will set an example of what work rate and attitude is. Low risk financially, box to box, got a shot on him, energy, tenacious..... We badly lack character... I think he has that. From what Bailey said above he completely gave up in Southamptons drumming by Leicester. Not sure that epitomises those characteristics you’ve highlighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, barryj said: From what Bailey said above he completely gave up in Southamptons drumming by Leicester. Not sure that epitomises those characteristics you’ve highlighted. I'm sure Ancellotti will be getting tapes, reports etc. Based on the general feedback of him and what I had seen he looks a solid player. Would I want to sign him for £20m? No. At £14m it represents good value based on a specific job that may want him to do. Southampton fans tend to get extremely salty when players want to move on and cloud their views of the player. Can't say I've seen enough of him to be certain but at the price I'm not deterred. We need 3 centre midfielders. Allan is my preferred choice with sangare as onebive been keen to see if we could get at a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1312266/Tottenham-transfer-news-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg-Everton-Southampton-gossip-rumours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Can't get excited about this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 £14m, £25m now £35m?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1312266/Tottenham-transfer-news-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg-Everton-Southampton-gossip-rumours why would spurs want him? they have a packed midfield, ndombele doesn't even play! Just now, Matt said: £14m, £25m now £35m?! yeah again i'm not that familiar with the guy but 14m sounded like the price, i don't know how comfortable i am paying any more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Matt said: £14m, £25m now £35m?! All speculative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, c1982 said: All speculative. For sure, but within a week we’ve had massively variance in the speculation, which makes me think nothing has even started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 Not sure what the circumstances were but Carlo joined Bayern in summer of 2016. Hojbjerg was sold that summer to Southampton. Probably already in the works before Carlo arrived but interesting nonetheless. There could be nothing in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsta Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I have 2 Southampton season ticket holders i work with, both said they never notice him when hes playing, not saying he is bad, but changes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tonsta said: I have 2 Southampton season ticket holders i work with, both said they never notice him when hes playing, not saying he is bad, but changes nothing. I’d love to not notice some of our midfielders lately Bailey, Romey 1878 and pete0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 21, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonsta said: I have 2 Southampton season ticket holders i work with, both said they never notice him when hes playing, not saying he is bad, but changes nothing. To put that into perspective we have two members ( no pun intended !) in here who still think Idrissa Gana Gueye was shite StevO, AlbanyNYToffee, Palfy and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: To put that into perspective we have two members ( no pun intended !) in here who still think Idrissa Gana Gueye was shite And one of them doesn’t even have a season ticket London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8545935/Everton-25m-Pierre-Emile-Hojbjerg-bid-accepted-Southampton-blow-Tottenham.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 25m is a lot in a depressed covid market. i'm really hoping Brands knows what he's doing here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: 25m is a lot in a depressed covid market. i'm really hoping Brands knows what he's doing here I agree, but as Carlo said recently he and Brands have to agree on players before they sign them. One thing is for sure if we sign him then 1 of our midfield has to be going. (crosses fingers and says please be Delph) Romey 1878, markjazzbassist, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-pierre-emile-hojbjerg-transfer-18638814 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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