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coming off a big win away we should be flying high at home.  bar zaha i don't see a lot of talent in the palace side.  we should win this.  COYB

 

                                   Pickford

                    Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne

                    Walcott Gylfi Morgan Bernard

                                 DCL Richarlison

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14 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

coming off a big win away we should be flying high at home.  bar zaha i don't see a lot of talent in the palace side.  we should win this.  COYB

 

                                   Pickford

                    Sidibe Mina Holgate Digne

                    Walcott Gylfi Morgan Bernard

                                 DCL Richarlison

3 points would be lovely. Set us up nicely 

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Long story short I have a ticket to the game I can't use in the Upper Gwladys. First one to send me a private message with their address and I'll get it there by Saturday. I paid 42 pounds for it but will gladly accept 30 pounds.  

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6 hours ago, London Blue said:

                       Pickford 

Coleman    Holgate  Mina  Dinge

Richarlison  Davies   Schneiderlin  Bernard

                         DCL    Kean

Sidibe didn’t have a bad game...

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6 minutes ago, London Blue said:

He can't defend and Zaha will tear him a new one on match day in front of 39000 fans.

Zaha is massively over-rated for me, and even if he was as good as people think doesn't have the support to show it at CP; not a worry imo.

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8 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Zaha is massively over-rated for me, and even if he was as good as people think doesn't have the support to show it at CP; not a worry imo.

He is very good, but CP do have limited attacking options shall we say.

However if Sidebe is caught out of position and Zaha gets past him he is adept at drawing a fowl in the box or setting up a midfielder, or opposite full back with a pass.

Coleman is a better defender, and can nullify the threat, to quote one of the mob leaders in Casino "Why take the chance?" we have more than enough attacking options without giving CP an easy 1 on 1.

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4 hours ago, London Blue said:

He can't defend and Zaha will tear him a new one on match day in front of 39000 fans.

Yet he made the most tackles and intercepts for us against Watford. He was probably the most physical against Deeney. I've been critical of him but he is playing well and whips a dangerous ball in.

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4 hours ago, Btay said:

Yet he made the most tackles and intercepts for us against Watford. He was probably the most physical against Deeney. I've been critical of him but he is playing well and whips a dangerous ball in.

I agree offensively he is a real asset, but defensively he gets caught out be being too far forward. Zaha has the pace and talent to burn him. Even if the rest of the Palace side are less of a threat. 

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4 hours ago, Btay said:

Yet he made the most tackles and intercepts for us against Watford. He was probably the most physical against Deeney. I've been critical of him but he is playing well and whips a dangerous ball in.

And involved with both their goals. Completely out of position for the first one and second one he doesn't do enough to get rid of the ball twice, poor header followed up by a piss poor clearance were he just gets a foot on it using his right when he could have easily just smashed it away with his left (if he knew how to use it, disgraceful how one footed he is). He lacks a winning mentality, for the second one both times had he just been more committed he'd have cleared the ball. 

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41 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I agree offensively he is a real asset, but defensively he gets caught out be being too far forward. Zaha has the pace and talent to burn him. Even if the rest of the Palace side are less of a threat. 

When the options are Sidibe who has the pace to recover being out of position (and obviously is a good tackler) and Coleman who is slow as shite (and doesn't seem to know it yet) it's a tough one choice to make. Neither one fills me with confidence against a speedster like Zaha but I'd probably plump for Sidibe. Just.

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22 hours ago, pete0 said:

And involved with both their goals. Completely out of position for the first one and second one he doesn't do enough to get rid of the ball twice, poor header followed up by a piss poor clearance were he just gets a foot on it using his right when he could have easily just smashed it away with his left (if he knew how to use it, disgraceful how one footed he is). He lacks a winning mentality, for the second one both times had he just been more committed he'd have cleared the ball. 

No way is he at fault for any of their goals.

First one he squares Jerry up well and the pass goes through Walcotts legs. Second he out battles Deeney - who was dominating both our CB the ball ends up as an easy, easy situation for Delph but he completely fucks it’s. There is no blame what so ever on Sidibe.

 

I’ve accidentally given you a green above and I haven’t the heard to change it to a red 😂 don’t bloody push me though mate!

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31 minutes ago, Btay said:

No way is he at fault for any of their goals.

First one he squares Jerry up well and the pass goes through Walcotts legs. Second he out battles Deeney - who was dominating both our CB the ball ends up as an easy, easy situation for Delph but he completely fucks it’s. There is no blame what so ever on Sidibe.

 

I’ve accidentally given you a green above and I haven’t the heard to change it to a red 😂 don’t bloody push me though mate!

World cup winner..... lacks winning mentality lol. 

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7 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

World cup winner..... lacks winning mentality lol. 

I was hard on him at the start. Though he was awkward, gangly and just didn’t like him.

I still don’t think he is a fluent technical footballer but he is a battler, he’s probably put the most consistent effort ( with Richarlison) in for us, especially through the tough period... and he’s on loan. I don’t go the games but I’ve heard he always goes to the fans and interacts with them. 
 

Ive got not issues with him going up against Zaha what so ever.

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10 minutes ago, Btay said:

I was hard on him at the start. Though he was awkward, gangly and just didn’t like him.

I still don’t think he is a fluent technical footballer but he is a battler, he’s probably put the most consistent effort ( with Richarlison) in for us, especially through the tough period... and he’s on loan. I don’t go the games but I’ve heard he always goes to the fans and interacts with them. 
 

Ive got not issues with him going up against Zaha what so ever.

Defending needs some polishing... going forward he's very good.

He's far from the biggest problem in the side. 

Digne has been far worse this season.... poor. 

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10 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Defending needs some polishing... going forward he's very good.

He's far from the biggest problem in the side. 

Digne has been far worse this season.... poor. 

Agree on all points.

Not sure what’s going on with Digne - victims of his own success last season. Look forward to him at his best - think iwobi and Bernard will be ideal for him.

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4 hours ago, Btay said:

No way is he at fault for any of their goals.

First one he squares Jerry up well and the pass goes through Walcotts legs. Second he out battles Deeney - who was dominating both our CB the ball ends up as an easy, easy situation for Delph but he completely fucks it’s. There is no blame what so ever on Sidibe.

 

I’ve accidentally given you a green above and I haven’t the heard to change it to a red 😂 don’t bloody push me though mate!

His starting position is miles away so Walcott is dragged out of position going to help cover. I'd Sidibe starts from a better position we'd not be put on the back foot and Walcott would be able to track the runner. 

The headers not well won its straight to them in the middle of the park. (Headers not what causes the attack, just highlighting it as an example is him lack of conviction). The second clearance is piss poor and I'd imagine if it was Delph playing that he'd be getting dogs abuse. All Sidibe had to do is put his left through it, school boy stuff just get rid. Going with his right he's been lazy and at this level only getting a foot on it isn't good enough. 

Not to worry, I'll return the favour and cancel it out 🙂

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

World cup winner..... lacks winning mentality lol. 

He played one game in the groups after France already qualified. Winning mentality? He played in the only game they never won... 

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6 hours ago, pete0 said:

He played one game in the groups after France already qualified. Winning mentality? He played in the only game they never won... 

He's a world cup winner...  got a medal to prove it.  Won ligue 1 with Monaco..... he and Mendy a pair of full backs .....

Not bad for someone who hasn't got a winners mentality 

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5 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He's a world cup winner...  got a medal to prove it.  Won ligue 1 with Monaco..... he and Mendy a pair of full backs .....

Not bad for someone who hasn't got a winners mentality 

Not the first passenger. How many joke players have premier league medals thanks to the winners united had. Or just look at our very own Fabian Delph.... 

One dead rubber and he has a medal. He only played 90 mins more than any average French fan who turned up and cheered the rest of the lads on. 

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38 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Not the first passenger. How many joke players have premier league medals thanks to the winners united had. Or just look at our very own Fabian Delph.... 

One dead rubber and he has a medal. He only played 90 mins more than any average French fan who turned up and cheered the rest of the lads on. 

No one is saying he's Cafu Pete..... but you are certainly having a go at trying to make out that he's not as good as Earl Barrett

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

He's a world cup winner...  got a medal to prove it.  Won ligue 1 with Monaco..... he and Mendy a pair of full backs .....

Not bad for someone who hasn't got a winners mentality 

Exactly the medal is the proof you can’t argue with facts he is a World Cup winner. 

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22 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

No one is saying he's Cafu Pete..... but you are certainly having a go at trying to make out that he's not as good as Earl Barrett

You've ignored the winners mentality argument that you initially made. He didn't take part in a single win for them. So how's he got a winners mentality? 

He's no where near premier league level. Earl is before my time. Hibbert, Neville Coleman are all much better. Kenny is better at defending and better at passing/crossing should be giving him a go over the French Luke Chadwick. 

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Just now, Matt said:

2nd most assists of a defender isn’t he?

The team would have more goals if he mixed up his crossing and passing rather than go for the same early whipped ball every time. Any how he's a defender, who's one footed in a tackle and rubbish at positioning. A couple of assists don't make up for stuff you learn at school boy level. 

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11 minutes ago, pete0 said:

The team would have more goals if he mixed up his crossing and passing rather than go for the same early whipped ball every time. Any how he's a defender, who's one footed in a tackle and rubbish at positioning. A couple of assists don't make up for stuff you learn at school boy level. 

So you’ve made your mind up, no logic or fact will sway your spiralling decent into nonsense. Doesn’t have a winning mentality, but sets up goals. But that doesn’t count because he’s a defender. Laughable, Gana level drivel. 

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53 minutes ago, Matt said:

So you’ve made your mind up, no logic or fact will sway your spiralling decent into nonsense. Doesn’t have a winning mentality, but sets up goals. But that doesn’t count because he’s a defender. Laughable, Gana level drivel. 

A couple of assists doesn't mask the fact he's shite. Niasse had one of the best goals per minutes stats in Europe. Moneyball doesn't work in football, you end up with the likes of Sigurdssen, Gana and Keane. 

How do a couple of assists prove a winning mentality? 

Keep laughing just as people did when I said DCL should start over Tosun and Holgate over Keane. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

A couple of assists doesn't mask the fact he's shite. Niasse had one of the best goals per minutes stats in Europe. Moneyball doesn't work in football, you end up with the likes of Sigurdssen, Gana and Keane. 

How do a couple of assists prove a winning mentality? 

Keep laughing just as people did when I said DCL should start over Tosun and Holgate over Keane. 

How does helping the team score goals to win games indicate a winning mentality?  
 

I'm out.

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On 03/02/2020 at 10:30, RPG said:

Turning point?

Win this and we go seventh.

I found this interesting too. The premier league table since Ancelotti took over!

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Weird isn’t it. Since Ancelotti took over we have scored 11.8 goals? 
this is what happens when you let computers take over simple jobs haha.

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42 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Weird isn’t it. Since Ancelotti took over we have scored 11.8 goals? 
this is what happens when you let computers take over simple jobs haha.

I think that's scored 11: conceded 8 in actual fact, no computer needed to do that sum (probably would be for some of our younger fans mind😂)

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3 hours ago, Matt said:

How does helping the team score goals to win games indicate a winning mentality?  
 

I'm out.

Ensuring the ball is cleared shows a winning mentality. Simply getting a touch isn't enough. The premier league has very fine margins and small things like that make a huge difference. It concedes 50/50s and possession. We had no 'luck' last season, you make your own luck and without full blooded effort and concentration that so called luck will fall to the opposition. 

How many assists has Roy Keane got compared to Mesut Ozil? 

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15 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Defending needs some polishing... going forward he's very good.

He's far from the biggest problem in the side. 

Digne has been far worse this season.... poor. 

It’s his positioning that is the main problem he has. The majority of most of my complaints surrounding him is just down to that. He also doesn’t seem to have the urgency he has defensively as he does going forward.

 

Anyway before this defends into a Sidibe thread (& I cant handle that) I believe we’ll win this comfortably which worries me 😂 I’m also not a fan of the early kick offs which means I’ll be up the night before. 

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9 hours ago, MikeO said:

I think that's scored 11: conceded 8 in actual fact, no computer needed to do that sum (probably would be for some of our younger fans mind😂)

Haha thought it was another of those silly expected goals stats. Looking back, that was a bit dumb wasn’t it hahaha! 

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14 hours ago, pete0 said:

A couple of assists doesn't mask the fact he's shite. Niasse had one of the best goals per minutes stats in Europe. Moneyball doesn't work in football, you end up with the likes of Sigurdssen, Gana and Keane. 

How do a couple of assists prove a winning mentality? 

Keep laughing just as people did when I said DCL should start over Tosun and Holgate over Keane. 

Have you had the call from brands to join his team yet Pete?  

I have been championing DCL for far longer than most ......

Here's the thing Pete .... very very important to remember.  "Sometimes players have dips in form, and sometimes other players who may not be as good may warrant a start as a means of getting a reaction or giving them a rest......"

It's a bit difficult to comprehend cos I know that you would sooner have Tom Davies playing over Gana every single week regardless of form or whatever...... the most important thing is that you are "right" in your first ever judgement. 

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36 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Have you had the call from brands to join his team yet Pete?  

I have been championing DCL for far longer than most ......

Here's the thing Pete .... very very important to remember.  "Sometimes players have dips in form, and sometimes other players who may not be as good may warrant a start as a means of getting a reaction or giving them a rest......"

It's a bit difficult to comprehend cos I know that you would sooner have Tom Davies playing over Gana every single week regardless of form or whatever...... the most important thing is that you are "right" in your first ever judgement. 

I'd have done a better job than Walsh, oh and you. You named the likes of Bony and Welbeck in your vendetta against Lukaku, and then in your one against Alladyce you were raging for Tosun to play over DCL. So you can stop chatting shit that you championed the kid. You simply liked his hard work to use as an argument against Lukaku. 

No idea why you're chatting about form. If Delph done the school boy shite Sidibe does you'd have your nashers out. He's gone for the ball with his right foot on many occasion when the option was better to use his left and even worse in the build up for the second goal he should have used his head. He also drifts out of position to the point fans are screaming at him to get near his man. For some one who says he wants rid of the half arsed players I don't see how you can back him. 

I'd happily see any player dropped off they're out of form. But I'd not use Gana for anything more than a duracell bunny. I'd have kept Barry over Schneiderlin and Gana. 

See you're up to your usual tricks. For the third time I'll ask. 

16 hours ago, pete0 said:

You've ignored the winners mentality argument that you initially made. He didn't take part in a single win for them. So how's he got a winners mentality? 

Also strange you've negged all my other comments but not this one, pretending you've not seen it. Sad. 

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51 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'd have done a better job than Walsh, oh and you. You named the likes of Bony and Welbeck in your vendetta against Lukaku, and then in your one against Alladyce you were raging for Tosun to play over DCL. So you can stop chatting shit that you championed the kid. You simply liked his hard work to use as an argument against Lukaku. 

No idea why you're chatting about form. If Delph done the school boy shite Sidibe does you'd have your nashers out. He's gone for the ball with his right foot on many occasion when the option was better to use his left and even worse in the build up for the second goal he should have used his head. He also drifts out of position to the point fans are screaming at him to get near his man. For some one who says he wants rid of the half arsed players I don't see how you can back him. 

I'd happily see any player dropped off they're out of form. But I'd not use Gana for anything more than a duracell bunny. I'd have kept Barry over Schneiderlin and Gana. 

See you're up to your usual tricks. For the third time I'll ask. 

Also strange you've negged all my other comments but not this one, pretending you've not seen it. Sad. 

Blimey Pete.... you actually missed my point and spent paragraphs actually proving me right.

get over your opinion on players..... it is just an opinion and you don't have to be right or wrong.  It's not a competition ..... seriously it impacts your ability to enjoy the game and to make balanced posts. 

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14 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Blimey Pete.... you actually missed my point and spent paragraphs actually proving me right.

get over your opinion on players..... it is just an opinion and you don't have to be right or wrong.  It's not a competition ..... seriously it impacts your ability to enjoy the game and to make balanced posts. 

As if you of all people can say that. To date you're still slagging Lukaku off. 

As for proving you right, feel free to explain how and whilst you're at it, for the fourth time... 

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

You've ignored the winners mentality argument that you initially made. He didn't take part in a single win for them. So how's he got a winners mentality? 

 

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31 minutes ago, pete0 said:

As if you of all people can say that. To date you're still slagging Lukaku off. 

As for proving you right, feel free to explain how and whilst you're at it, for the fourth time... 

 

Not slating lukaku off.... I stated that lukaku is playing in an easier league than the prem...... immobile on 25 goals?  

Everything is a pissing contest with you Pete... you need to let go lad. 

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not slating lukaku off.... I stated that lukaku is playing in an easier league than the prem...... immobile on 25 goals?  

Everything is a pissing contest with you Pete... you need to let go lad. 

The league is easier but the teams are just as good at defending, their bottom clubs are better at defending than our ones are. 

Again for the 5th time. Put your ego to one side and hold your hand up. 

8 hours ago, pete0 said:

You've ignored the winners mentality argument that you initially made. He didn't take part in a single win for them. So how's he got a winners mentality? 

(this is at least the second I've asked you something 5 times as well). 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3famp

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1 hour ago, Gwlad all over said:

IHard to see Moyes lasting at West Ham. He was desperate to get back into management and swallowed his pride to do so. Quite possibly he'd have done ok here but not our problem we go onward and upward!!

Fully believe there was absolutely no chance of him doing ok here. He’d have done exactly what he’s done with West Ham but with us. I don’t know why anyone wanted him here. Thank god Ancelotti became available or we really would be in a relegation battle. One I’d fancy us to lose with that goon in charge. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Fully believe there was absolutely no chance of him doing ok here. He’d have done exactly what he’s done with West Ham but with us. I don’t know why anyone wanted him here. Thank god Ancelotti became available or we really would be in a relegation battle. One I’d fancy us to lose with that goon in charge. 

Moyes saved us in his early years, got us 4th on a shoe string and regularly got us top 7. We owe him much.

That being said he took us as far as he could, his tactics and mentality have not evolved with modern football. He is a dinosaur and would have taken us so far back. Glad he did not join, really glad.

West Ham will go down, but not because of Moyes, but because of the poor, unbalanced squad and injuries., and the games they have left.

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Change of heart.

                       Pickford (despite his lack of goals / assists  / T Rex arms / love of bingo and being human)

Coleman    Holgate  Mina  Dinge

Richarlison   Davies   Iwobi    Bernard

                    DCL      Kean

Fuck it, lets go for lots of goals!! COYB

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54 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Moyes saved us in his early years, got us 4th on a shoe string and regularly got us top 7. We owe him much.

That being said he took us as far as he could, his tactics and mentality have not evolved with modern football. He is a dinosaur and would have taken us so far back. Glad he did not join, really glad.

West Ham will go down, but not because of Moyes, but because of the poor, unbalanced squad and injuries., and the games they have left.

That’s nice and all, LB, but it’s only the here and now that matters. And now he is a joke of a manager and we’d have been fucked if we’d brought him back. As you say, he’s a dinosaur.

Of course it’ll be because of Moyes if they go down! Obviously not all on his own but he’ll have played a big part of it if it happens. 

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47 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

That’s nice and all, LB, but it’s only the here and now that matters. And now he is a joke of a manager and we’d have been fucked if we’d brought him back. As you say, he’s a dinosaur.

Of course it’ll be because of Moyes if they go down! Obviously not all on his own but he’ll have played a big part of it if it happens. 

I believe if we did not have Moyes we would have been relegated, its that simple. He gave us our pride back, I respect him for that, he is part of the history of our club, some bad but allot good.

His re-appointment would have been a nightmare for us I agree, but I think its harsh to call him a joke of a manager, he works hard, is respectful and genuinely wants to do well wherever he is, not in it for the money. 

Working near bubble land their fans say that West Hams squad is very unbalanced and poor, the fans are in open rebellion against the board, and their recruitment has been a joke under Pelligrini. They lost many winnable games under him and whoever came in was up against it. Interestingly most did not want Moyes as he is too defensive, but did respect him keeping them up last time.

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4 hours ago, London Blue said:

I believe if we did not have Moyes we would have been relegated, its that simple. He gave us our pride back, I respect him for that, he is part of the history of our club, some bad but allot good.

His re-appointment would have been a nightmare for us I agree, but I think its harsh to call him a joke of a manager, he works hard, is respectful and genuinely wants to do well wherever he is, not in it for the money. 

Working near bubble land their fans say that West Hams squad is very unbalanced and poor, the fans are in open rebellion against the board, and their recruitment has been a joke under Pelligrini. They lost many winnable games under him and whoever came in was up against it. Interestingly most did not want Moyes as he is too defensive, but did respect him keeping them up last time.

In the early1980s, I taught myself how to write computer programs, enough to obtain adequate modeling results for a PhD. This won me a job with Britain's most prestigious software company. I was great with Algol, Fortran, and even C. If I were to try to apply these skills to writing software today, I'd be a joke - a total dinosaur. So much has changed since I was a good programmer. It's the same with David Moyes. Two decades ago, he was just great, and his skill continued for ten years or so. But things change, and football is very different today. Personally, I don't see that he's changed much - and probably still expects the squad to run laps during every training session. Maybe I'm being unfair, and maybe West Ham will survive relegation, but I'm not convinced.

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6 hours ago, London Blue said:

Moyes saved us in his early years, got us 4th on a shoe string and regularly got us top 7. We owe him much.

That being said he took us as far as he could, his tactics and mentality have not evolved with modern football. He is a dinosaur and would have taken us so far back. Glad he did not join, really glad.

West Ham will go down, but not because of Moyes, but because of the poor, unbalanced squad and injuries., and the games they have left.

Something happened to him.  He was great with us but then he was a disaster at every single job after.  United, real sociedad, Sunderland, he just was awful with all of them.  It’s like the United job ruined him.  I wouldn’t trust him now.  I think he will keep west ham up but just because other teams are worse.

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Something happened to him.  He was great with us but then he was a disaster at every single job after.  United, real sociedad, Sunderland, he just was awful with all of them.  It’s like the United job ruined him.  I wouldn’t trust him now.  I think he will keep west ham up but just because other teams are worse.

I suppose Everton was the only opportunity that he had to build something. We narrowly missed relegation under him in the early years and stuck with him. He's not a short term fix, but I do admit I thought he'd be doing better at WHU. 

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17 hours ago, pete0 said:

The league is easier but the teams are just as good at defending, their bottom clubs are better at defending than our ones are. 

Again for the 5th time. Put your ego to one side and hold your hand up. 

17 hours ago, pete0 said:

You've ignored the winners mentality argument that you initially made. He didn't take part in a single win for them. So how's he got a winners mentality? 

(this is at least the second I've asked you something 5 times as well). 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3famp

@Hafnia 6th time lucky maybe... 

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

@Hafnia 6th time lucky maybe... 

Sorry???  

Was it actually a question? How has sidebe got a winners mentality???

He's won the league and the world cup..... got medals to prove it too...... use Google for that too.

Cone on Pete..... day off lad.  The fumes are making my phone overheat here. Chill out. 

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