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3 minutes ago, Shukes said:

As far as I could see he doesn’t touch the ball, so that doesn’t count as offside does it? 
But as I said I haven’t saw the replay yet, so he could have touched it. Couldn’t be sure from what I saw.

DCLs shot was deliberate, and most definitely forward. But Gylfi HAS to touch the ball for it to be offside.

He didn't.

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2 minutes ago, Aidan said:

I suppose we break it down. The important part there is 'clearly obstructting the opponents line of vision'

It wouldn't be wrong to suggest that if he Siggy was clearly obstructing the line of vision de gea would not have gone to dive to his right before the shot deflected off the defender.

Nothing clear about the obstruction by sigurdsson and nothing clear and obvious about the VAR decision.

To touch on your point Gylfi doesn't have to touch the ball, he has to interfere with play to be deemed offside, which he didn't. 

We were factually robbed. No opinion about it the refs got it wrong.

 

I feel like we have been cheated.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Surely the deflection  changes everything. Wasn't in the way prior to the deflection, and as a result of the deflection he is therefore back onside.

 

1 hour ago, Btay said:

Anywhere else on the pitch you play a ball and get contact it’s a foul. The speed of the decision was a joke and it just seems like they have found a reason to disallow it.

Don't remember what game but remember VAR taking ages looking at a reply saying if it's hit the player then the goal was gonna get ruled offside. They were checking all the angles and zooming in. 

Strange how the rules change when it comes to us and how much faster they can make that decision. 

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1 minute ago, Shukes said:

That was my initial reaction. Penalty. 
We’ve been absolutely cheated out of this. 

I'm not sure what the VAR actually sits there and checks. He must have seen the foul in the lead up to the goal. 

It's a shambles and does not seem to be improving. 

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

If it hits Gylfi it’s offside regardless of the ball deflecting. The ball going forward is what matters. He was offside when DCL hits the ball forward. 
But, it should only be called if it hits Gylfi. Hi haven’t watched it again yet so can’t tell.

If it doesn’t hit him, then it’s blatant cheating by VAR officials. 

It didn't hit him, he moved his foot out the way so it didn't. And from what I can tell from the rule book, he wasn't 'active' either, because the rules distinguish between being 'in the active area', which he was, and 'being active' which means touching the ball or otherwise doing something to influence play. Sigurdsson was just sat there. 

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My rule of thumb for borderline decisions is to consider how I’d feel if the decision had been given against us. 
 

I’d have been fucking mad if that goal had been scored against us and been allowed to stand.

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Sooooo pissed off at the result, we have definately been robbed of the win, it feels like a loss to me, and seemed to be the same for everyone else on the bus back in to town we took.

Plus points, we kept going to the end, numerous corners ( which we should have made more of though) and DCL, what a player he is turning out to be this season.

Time for a big drink now.

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29 minutes ago, badaids said:

My rule of thumb for borderline decisions is to consider how I’d feel if the decision had been given against us. 
 

I’d have been fucking mad if that goal had been scored against us and been allowed to stand.

But that's kind of the point. If United had scored that goal it would have stood, it's the inequality; there was no "clear and obvious" error. De Gea's actions were not in any way affected by Gylfi's position on the pitch and at no time was his view impaired evidenced by his actions on moving to where the ball was headed and then his attempt to change after the deflection off his own player.

I'd have been mad if we'd conceded that but if someone sat me down in a padded cell for a couple of hours I could eventually concede the logic.

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We’ve been fucked out of points again. Standard now, isn’t it? Any 50/50 decision and you can guarantee it goes against us. I’m getting sick of it now.

That being said, despite a very poor first half (our midfield was just embarrassing. All of them.) from us we improved massively in the second half and, once again, you can see the progress we’re making under Ancelotti and I am genuinely excited to see what we’re like next season after he’s jettisoned passengers like Gylfi, brought his own players in, and had a full pre-season with the players he trusts. 

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2 hours ago, Aidan said:

Not only that sigurdsson seems to be fouled as he shoots, which is why he is on the floor. Double whammy. 

This won’t get much if any attention but that’s a pen no if or buts

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Just now, barryj said:

This won’t get much if any attention but that’s a pen no if or buts

I didn’t even notice at the time. It was only after the game when I watched the replay. Definite penalty though, Sigurdsson is taken out. No ifs or buts. 

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2 minutes ago, Matt said:

“Everton defender Michael Keane described it as a "ridiculous" decision. 

"How has that goal been disallowed for us?" he asked on BBC Radio 5 Live. "De Gea has gone the other way because he can see the ball and it was going towards that corner. Then it hit Harry Maguire - I think it was Maguire anyway - and it's gone right in the corner.

"There's not a chance he's getting back to save it. VAR screwed us again."

 

well said lad

Probably get a retrospective ban now :lol: but I agree with him. 

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6 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I didn’t even notice at the time. It was only after the game when I watched the replay. Definite penalty though, Sigurdsson is taken out. No ifs or buts. 

I’m with you I’ve only just got home  and I didnt see that as a pen live time. I was though (wrongly) quite confident at the time that the goal was going to stand as I was confident that Siggy hadn’t touched it as were the people around me. I was also surprised in retrospect that it didn’t take them long to disallow it as since I’ve been home I’ve seen lots of videos and different angles. We were clearly robbed. We’ve had some real shockers this season. I just get annoyed it will all get brushed under the carpet by the media. 

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48 minutes ago, barryj said:

I’m with you I’ve only just got home  and I didnt see that as a pen live time. I was though (wrongly) quite confident at the time that the goal was going to stand as I was confident that Siggy hadn’t touched it as were the people around me. I was also surprised in retrospect that it didn’t take them long to disallow it as since I’ve been home I’ve seen lots of videos and different angles. We were clearly robbed. We’ve had some real shockers this season. I just get annoyed it will all get brushed under the carpet by the media. 

I have come to not be surprised when a referee decides to protect a big club when they are struggling. If Gylfi wasn't there they'd have found some other way to disallow the goal. Striking the ball too aggressively and with malice or some other contrived bollocks.

I'm sick of seeing our players getting lumps kicked out of them, serious injuries incurred and it all gets waved away. How Richarlison hasn't been crocked yet is a miracle, he gets kicked off the park most weeks. Sure he makes a meal of it but he never dives, he is always getting kicked.

I was proud of the lads (DCL and Davies) for meeting fire with fire. That should be our tactic every week. They don't like us, we don't care!

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1 hour ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I have come to not be surprised when a referee decides to protect a big club when they are struggling. If Gylfi wasn't there they'd have found some other way to disallow the goal. Striking the ball too aggressively and with malice or some other contrived bollocks.

I'm sick of seeing our players getting lumps kicked out of them, serious injuries incurred and it all gets waved away. How Richarlison hasn't been crocked yet is a miracle, he gets kicked off the park most weeks. Sure he makes a meal of it but he never dives, he is always getting kicked.

I was proud of the lads (DCL and Davies) for meeting fire with fire. That should be our tactic every week. They don't like us, we don't care!

Agree with all of this

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Fernandez looks a player but they are going over the top about him.  Has he played against a top midfield yet? 

He looks solid and seems to have settled well but Carragher was jizzing himself silly over him from the first whistle. 

Talented enough on the ball but can be exploited off it. 

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Referee is a disgrace at the end. Won't make eye contact with Ancelotti and then once he finally engages just sends him off. Arrogant tosspot. 

A better man at least explains his decision. Fucking joke that we've not addressed the state if officiating in this county. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Referee is a disgrace at the end. Won't make eye contact with Ancelotti and then once he finally engages just sends him off. Arrogant tosspot. 

A better man at least explains his decision. Fucking joke that we've not addressed the state if officiating in this county. 

This is what’s annoyed me. The fact the refs feel they don’t owe an explanation for decisions. The fact our manager has had to go on and seek an explanation is a joke. Let alone the 10’s of thousands that pay to attend the games and also the millions that watch on TV. 
 

DRS in cricket takes too long for football but atleast you are walked through the decision making process and even IF the decision ends up ( rarely does ) viewers have atleast got knowledge of the process taken to get to the decision.

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Just listened to talk sport.... they all said it was offside.  

Joke. 

Siggy could be offside even if he didn't touch the ball if by purely being there he was deemed to be interfering with play. Even Roy Keane admitted though, that if Siggy hadn't been there then De Gea still wasn't saving the deflected shot.

I think morally it is a goal but strict letter of the law it isn't. But the law is an ass!

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13 hours ago, badaids said:

My rule of thumb for borderline decisions is to consider how I’d feel if the decision had been given against us. 
 

I’d have been fucking mad if that goal had been scored against us and been allowed to stand.

If it were the other way round I’d of had no complaints about a conceding a penalty though .......🤷‍♂️
I also think the goal should have stood and if we were on the receiving end I’d of been annoyed as it’s down to interpretation and we seem to always be on the wrong end!

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Decision aside that was one of the best "half" performances of the season. We took Utd on and outplayed them.

It was good to see some of the quieter players stand up too. Baines was brilliant, Davies imposed himself on the game, Bernard again came on and hauled us up the pitch and that even helped Sidibe focus on getting forward instead of going backwards. DCL even showed the confidence to take players on rather than just knock and run and Keane was probably the best defender on the pitch. 

It was easily the most encouraging performance I have seen from us under Ancellotti.

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Bloody hell even Lawrenson thinks we were hard done by, I may faint!

"I thought Ancelotti's side were very unlucky not to beat Manchester United last weekend - I know Gylfi Sigurdsson was lying close to United keeper David de Gea but he was not obstructing his view - so I can see why the Toffees boss was unhappy with that decision."

Still goes on to predict a defeat at Chelsea, but even that comes with a bit of intimated praise..

"I am going with Chelsea here. Most of their problems at home this season have come against lesser teams and I think they will be fully focused this time."

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