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On 13/03/2020 at 16:36, TallPaul1878 said:

When is the correct time to shut the schools? It's easy when you're a contrarian who just wants to criticise the government in whatever it chooses to do. Close too early and you are panicking, close too late and you are negligent.

You and I are not privy to where a country is in respect to the virus taking hold. This is a serious health hazard and people are still playing party politics with it. "Gee I hope there is a recession so we can get rid of Trump/Tories"

Do you honestly think the opposition would have done anything differently? They'd follow the advice of the experts and sure as shit would still be worrying about the economy.

I think you misunderstand me I wasn't criticising the Tories and just point outing that if it's spreading P2P then school closures are effective, I'm sure they're taking advice from whoever they should be and trying to the make an evidence based strategy that is not going to sow more panic.

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Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

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8 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

I’ve heard the same but I’m not sure if it’s bullshit rumors or true.

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1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

I just arrived home, driving 14 hours from New Jersey. My wife is in Tennessee and should arrive home tomorrow night. If you're correct, we may have just made it in time.

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Sounds good in theory but requires up to date and adequate testing, which in practice is not really possible.  You have to be able to look one or two weeks into the future, and predict when the health services are going to be overrun.  If they are already overrun, you are too late with the quarantine.

I also don't get his point that you can only quarantine once..  and why does he assume literally everyone will get corona, regardless of how a country approaches it...

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2 hours ago, Chach said:

It's bold.

 

The problem is the bottle is alot smaller than it should be. Won't take much water to make it overflow.

Hospitals have been creaking under business as usual demands..... our disgrace of a government have put us in a place where we will see people turned away. 

Lets hope China completely eradicate  wet markets better eh.  Completely and utterly barbaric, dead wood animals like bats and snakes stacked up on each other for human consumption.  

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Hi All me and the c/o are currently in Spain till late April, we are on lock down, no bars, no restaurants, no golf, just me and and the c/o confined to barracks.

After day one of confinement im not sure 2 of us will will leave, so i may be looking for a safe house on my return, any offers from my fellow Blue Boys?

 

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36 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Hi All me and the c/o are currently in Spain till late April, we are on lock down, no bars, no restaurants, no golf, just me and and the c/o confined to barracks.

After day one of confinement im not sure 2 of us will will leave, so i may be looking for a safe house on my return, any offers from my fellow Blue Boys?

 

I know the feeling. All schools, even parks, are locked down, which means both my wife and daughter are with me all day for the next 6 weeks (so far lockdown is planned until end of April). In some ways I’m really happy but after 5 days there’s already some cabin fever going on!

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I know the feeling. All schools, even parks, are locked down, which means both my wife and daughter are with me all day for the next 6 weeks (so far lockdown is planned until end of April). In some ways I’m really happy but after 5 days there’s already some cabin fever going on!

we are locked down for 3 weeks, no school for the kids and i'm working from home as is the wife.  cabin fever is inevitable sadly.  lucky our govenor even though he's a republican took it seriously (unlike trump) and was locked down in advance of the Feds.  hopefully it works. 

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19 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

we are locked down for 3 weeks, no school for the kids and i'm working from home as is the wife.  cabin fever is inevitable sadly.  lucky our govenor even though he's a republican took it seriously (unlike trump) and was locked down in advance of the Feds.  hopefully it works. 

Good luck mate! I’m actually grateful for being unemployed at the moment; if I had to work from home and be locked in with my girls there’d be chaos. 

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25 minutes ago, Matt said:

Good luck mate! I’m actually grateful for being unemployed at the moment; if I had to work from home and be locked in with my girls there’d be chaos. 

i need the money, we live paycheck to paycheck so im so so grateful that i can continue to work and not have to worry about how we will put food on the table.  

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

i need the money, we live paycheck to paycheck so im so so grateful that i can continue to work and not have to worry about how we will put food on the table.  

So did we even before the job loss.  We’re 40% less income than 2 years ago and even then we barely made it through the year! Good luck man 

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28 minutes ago, Matt said:

So did we even before the job loss.  We’re 40% less income than 2 years ago and even then we barely made it through the year! Good luck man 

yeah i think you guys have a good unemployment system there though in swiss right?  ours is awful here.  

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Some people on my "other" forum, the Macmillan cancer one, having to make really difficult decisions. The main curative treatment for the type of cancer I had (umbrella title head & neck though there are many variants under it) is radiotherapy. For many, me included, chemo is given because it increases the curative effect of the RT by 5/6%; problem is that the chemo drug used completely destroys your immune system for one week in each of the three three week cycles. Even when I had it six years ago I was told to pretty much to isolate as much as possible during those weeks as even a cold could be a killer. Now anyone in that position would be told to self isolate due to covid but how do you do that when you have to go to hospital five days a week for RT?

Lovely guy on the site started his treatment today and decided against having the chemo, accepting the small (but not insignificant), increased risk of dying from cancer against the potential threat of covid doing the same. Did not envy him having to make that decision but lots of people supporting him online and in the flesh, and there will doubtless be many more faced with the same/similar choices; the World's gone crazy.

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25 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

yeah i think you guys have a good unemployment system there though in swiss right?  ours is awful here.  

We do. Its 80% of your previous salary for 2 years. Problem is that 18 months ago I took a 20% cut for my last job, so in effect we’re 40% down from that 2 year mark, and now my wife, who had taken extra work on to try and cover some of it, has had all her work cut off because she teaches. I’ve basically  been making “stock food” that we can make in bulk and freeze for the past 4 days so that we’ve got enough in/pay rent/etc for the next few weeks. 

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31 minutes ago, Matt said:

We do. Its 80% of your previous salary for 2 years. Problem is that 18 months ago I took a 20% cut for my last job, so in effect we’re 40% down from that 2 year mark, and now my wife, who had taken extra work on to try and cover some of it, has had all her work cut off because she teaches. I’ve basically  been making “stock food” that we can make in bulk and freeze for the past 4 days so that we’ve got enough in/pay rent/etc for the next few weeks. 

Tough times for so many Matt, really wish you the best. I actually feel quite numb to all of this at the mo and quite "fortunate". My mum's death a couple of years back has left us financially quite comfortable (rather be poor and still have my mum but it is what it is); my life hasn't really changed....yet.

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57 minutes ago, Matt said:

We do. Its 80% of your previous salary for 2 years. Problem is that 18 months ago I took a 20% cut for my last job, so in effect we’re 40% down from that 2 year mark, and now my wife, who had taken extra work on to try and cover some of it, has had all her work cut off because she teaches. I’ve basically  been making “stock food” that we can make in bulk and freeze for the past 4 days so that we’ve got enough in/pay rent/etc for the next few weeks. 

if things get tight shoot me a PM man.  i'm serious.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Some people on my "other" forum, the Macmillan cancer one, having to make really difficult decisions. The main curative treatment for the type of cancer I had (umbrella title head & neck though there are many variants under it) is radiotherapy. For many, me included, chemo is given because it increases the curative effect of the RT by 5/6%; problem is that the chemo drug used completely destroys your immune system for one week in each of the three three week cycles. Even when I had it six years ago I was told to pretty much to isolate as much as possible during those weeks as even a cold could be a killer. Now anyone in that position would be told to self isolate due to covid but how do you do that when you have to go to hospital five days a week for RT?

Lovely guy on the site started his treatment today and decided against having the chemo, accepting the small (but not insignificant), increased risk of dying from cancer against the potential threat of covid doing the same. Did not envy him having to make that decision but lots of people supporting him online and in the flesh, and there will doubtless be many more faced with the same/similar choices; the World's gone crazy.

My sister in law is going through a course of chemotherapy she had a double mastectomy about 8 weeks ago, now she’s got the added worry of catching Coronavirus with her immune system at its lowest. We are not visiting her just in case we infect her. 

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9 minutes ago, Palfy said:

My sister in law is going through a course of chemotherapy she had a double mastectomy about 8 weeks ago, now she’s got the added worry of catching Coronavirus with her immune system at its lowest. We are not visiting her just in case we infect her. 

Wise move I think, was my mother-in-law's 89th birthday yesterday but didn't visit. She has daily care but hopefully those that visit are taking the right precautions, sure they are.

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

Tough times for so many Matt, really wish you the best. I actually feel quite numb to all of this at the mo and quite "fortunate". My mum's death a couple of years back has left us financially quite comfortable (rather be poor and still have my mum but it is what it is); my life hasn't really changed....yet.

Neither has ours yet. Maybe I’m just being paranoid but basics have become my concern. Weird considering we’re quite isolated anyway and have been fortunate enough to have a reasonable income (relatively speaking) for so long. We’re both seeing this as an opportunity though; both time together for the first time in years and a chance to appreciate everything around us (provided we can shop and actually go out!)

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Cancelled my two hospital appointments this week (fitting a heart monitor and ECG).  Have decided to self isolate (84 tomorrow) will only leave the house for really urgent issues. We are fortunate in that we are fairly well stocked up and have two daughters who are brilliant.  All the neighbours are retired and we have been exchanging phone numbers,  email addresses.  We are lucky to have very good neighbours.

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10 minutes ago, johnh said:

Cancelled my two hospital appointments this week (fitting a heart monitor and ECG).  Have decided to self isolate (84 tomorrow) will only leave the house for really urgent issues. We are fortunate in that we are fairly well stocked up and have two daughters who are brilliant.  All the neighbours are retired and we have been exchanging phone numbers,  email addresses.  We are lucky to have very good neighbours.

Sounds good John, hope you can have a good birthday tomorrow given the circumstances; maybe just for once in your life try a second glass!👍

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9 minutes ago, johnh said:

Have already been told to expect a delivery tomorrow -  bottle of single malt!  Good chance of a second glass.

Love a single malt (can't stand the blended stuff) and was introduced to Tamnavulin last year in Glencoe; absolute nectar. As long as there are no travel restrictions we'll be on Skye next month for a fortnight so will visit the Talisker distillery, that's another wondrous brand. Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the cure for Covid-19!

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Love a single malt (can't stand the blended stuff) and was introduced to Tamnavulin last year in Glencoe; absolute nectar. As long as there are no travel restrictions we'll be on Skye next month for a fortnight so will visit the Talisker distillery, that's another wondrous brand. Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the cure for Covid-19!

Talisker is my “I feel a bit iffy, better cleanse the body” choice. I think I may well choose to be a bit iffy more often than I should be, because it’s a bloody good excuse for a glass of that. One of the best “mottos” too, along with Patek Philipe

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I would love to be able to drink whiskey. Or any drink for that matter but old habits/age/ responsibilities mean I made the decision to put alcohol out my life.  Just a few drinks brings out the black dog - as Winston Churchill called it.  Awful anxiety and depression for 2 to 3 days after. Happened when I hit 40.  To be fair i had spent the previous 18 years drinking too much and I think my body told me to piss off. 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Guys, you better prepare to stay at home for the rest of the year at least. This thing is not going to disappear in a few weeks.

How are things in Bulgaria @Haiku? When I was there empty shelves were the norm....but you were still behind the Iron Curtain then so a bit different.:(

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13 hours ago, MikeO said:

Love a single malt (can't stand the blended stuff) and was introduced to Tamnavulin last year in Glencoe; absolute nectar. As long as there are no travel restrictions we'll be on Skye next month for a fortnight so will visit the Talisker distillery, that's another wondrous brand. Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the cure for Covid-19!

Springbank (Campbelltown)  is one of my favourites, though my last couple of presents have been Bunnahabhain (Isle of Islay) which I have acquired quite a taste for.

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On 15/03/2020 at 18:41, MikeO said:

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Sad to see this.

Here in Dubai, which also has its COVID-19 issues, there is no panic buying, shops remain well stocked and customers remain polite to each other and the shop staff.

My wife and I went out for our weekly fruit and veg shop earlier today and it was ops normal.

 

 

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14 hours ago, MikeO said:

Love a single malt (can't stand the blended stuff) and was introduced to Tamnavulin last year in Glencoe; absolute nectar. As long as there are no travel restrictions we'll be on Skye next month for a fortnight so will visit the Talisker distillery, that's another wondrous brand. Wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the cure for Covid-19!

 

1 hour ago, johnh said:

Springbank (Campbelltown)  is one of my favourites, though my last couple of presents have been Bunnahabhain (Isle of Islay) which I have acquired quite a taste for.

Happy birthday John, fair play to you boys and your Whiskey 🥃 I can’t stomach it really have no taste for it what so ever. 

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4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

same here then they will re-evaluate which means for another couple of months.

Yep -- depending on how much progress we've made (or lack thereof) will determine what comes next. Thankful I'm able to work from home in times like these. My daughter is getting pretty bored though, since we can't really go out and do anything. 

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14 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Yep -- depending on how much progress we've made (or lack thereof) will determine what comes next. Thankful I'm able to work from home in times like these. My daughter is getting pretty bored though, since we can't really go out and do anything. 

yeah.  we've got a little check list for the kids.  one learning activity (read, worksheets, art), one outside time (go for a walk, play on the swingset), one ipad learning activity (there are tons of apps that are fun and educational), and one creative time (play lego, play with toys, etc).  after that they can get the ipad and watch disney plus and the like, but it helps to keep it organized and help them to have "school" type things where their brains are still active.  i told my wife we are not teachers so if the plan goes out the window occasionally thats fine.  thankfully i can work from home too, more to help with the kids than anything.  

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

yeah.  we've got a little check list for the kids.  one learning activity (read, worksheets, art), one outside time (go for a walk, play on the swingset), one ipad learning activity (there are tons of apps that are fun and educational), and one creative time (play lego, play with toys, etc).  after that they can get the ipad and watch disney plus and the like, but it helps to keep it organized and help them to have "school" type things where their brains are still active.  i told my wife we are not teachers so if the plan goes out the window occasionally thats fine.  thankfully i can work from home too, more to help with the kids than anything.  

Sounds like you got all sorted mate 👍

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I'm working from home from Thursday till a week Monday later. 

Personally I'm very likely to get it.  The train I get is chocka in the mornings until today. 

My wife is a nurse and she thinks she had this virus at the start of November, awful headaches and fever. Said the headache was like nothing she's had before. 

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5 hours ago, MikeO said:

How are things in Bulgaria @Haiku? When I was there empty shelves were the norm....but you were still behind the Iron Curtain then so a bit different.:(

These were times I barely have any memory of since I was very young back then. We are currently not much different than most countries in Europe. Of course these are stressful times for everyone, but grocery stores are stocked up and there's plenty of food for everyone. My biggest concern is that our healthcare system, knowing how fragile and underfunded is, will collapse pretty quick when cases rise. Hope that doesn't happen though.

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All schools to shut after Friday, this is bad news for a lot of families who will struggle with child care, as grandparents we will have to pickup the slack if our health allows it. 

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Wife doesn't want to go to Skye next month because she thinks we're "safer" at home; personally I'd still like to go and she said to go on my own but that's not going to happen. Fortunately the site we booked through is allowing people to change their dates at no extra cost (it's already fully paid for) so I think we're going to put it back a year and go April 2021; shame, was really looking forward to it. As it stands we won't get anything back on our hotel in Lockerbie which was a stopover both going and coming back but that's not a big amount.

So now we wait and see how things develop as to whether we get to Greece in September. I have my doubts.

18 minutes ago, Palfy said:

All schools to shut after Friday, this is bad news for a lot of families who will struggle with child care, as grandparents we will have to pickup the slack if our health allows it. 

But given the virus is more dangerous the older you get that's not a sensible option for most; certainly not for us with pre-existing medical stuff, my lungs were permanently damaged after pneumonia nearly got me in 1994 and even if we were A1 health-wise there are ten of them and we have a two bed semi so nowhere to put them. Tough times ahead.

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19 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Wife doesn't want to go to Skye next month because she thinks we're "safer" at home; personally I'd still like to go and she said to go on my own but that's not going to happen. Fortunately the site we booked through is allowing people to change their dates at no extra cost (it's already fully paid for) so I think we're going to put it back a year and go April 2021; shame, was really looking forward to it. As it stands we won't get anything back on our hotel in Lockerbie which was a stopover both going and coming back but that's not a big amount.

So now we wait and see how things develop as to whether we get to Greece in September. I have my doubts.

But given the virus is more dangerous the older you get that's not a sensible option for most; certainly not for us with pre-existing medical stuff, my lungs were permanently damaged after pneumonia nearly got me in 1994 and even if we were A1 health-wise there are ten of them and we have a two bed semi so nowhere to put them. Tough times ahead.

Very tough times ahead mate, with out trying to sound to melodramatic about things, it’s going to be like writing this year off when it comes to doing the normal day to day things we take for granted. 

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9 hours ago, MikeO said:

Zero new cases in China yesterday for the first time, has to be a good sign doesn't it?

It does mate, now the world are waiting to see that if they go clear for a week or so, and if so whether a fresh outbreak will startup if it does that will be bad news for us all, and will probably mean this virus could be with us for a long time. 

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