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45 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’m hearing Trump has tested positive is there any truth in this, or am I just dreaming. 

I think it's just speculation because he was in close contact quite recently with a Brazilian who's since tested positive...old news though if that's the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/trump-coronavirus-photo-brazilian-aide-bolsonaro-contact-latest

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I'm on day three of total isolation (underlying health condition) and I'm pissed off already :lol: 

Can't even imagine how much weight I'm going to put on by the amount of eating I'm doing just for something to do. I have read two books though, so there's that.

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I know a lot of people who are self isolating but thankfully I know no one who has been tested positive. 
It is giving me a sense of you know it’s happening but I feel remote from what’s happening, and long may that be the case. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'm on day three of total isolation (underlying health condition) and I'm pissed off already :lol: 

Can't even imagine how much weight I'm going to put on by the amount of eating I'm doing just for something to do. I have read two books though, so there's that.

Where you getting all the food from have you been panic buying 😉 hopefully you’re be alright mate after your isolation all be it a couple of stone heavier and no clothes that fit😂

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42 minutes ago, MikeO said:

What is pissing me off is all these high paid footballers getting tested.... yet people on the frontline like doctors and nurses aren't.  

No doubt they get all sorts of pro active treatment that will help them for when the symptoms kick in. 

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Emirates Airline suspending all passenger flights effective 25/3/20 and a sliding scale of pay cuts for 3 months depending on current position/salary. Presidents take a 100% pay cut, middle management 50% and juniors 25%, in an honest attempt to try to avoid a single job loss.

Stay safe out there.

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3 hours ago, RPG said:

Emirates Airline suspending all passenger flights effective 25/3/20 and a sliding scale of pay cuts for 3 months depending on current position/salary. Presidents take a 100% pay cut, middle management 50% and juniors 25%, in an honest attempt to try to avoid a single job loss.

Stay safe out there.

wow that's altruistic and wonderful.

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This is beginning to feel like a disaster movie; I watch the TV and can't get my head around the fact that it's a real thing. The strangest part of it is that I'm quite impressed by Johnson at the press briefings as much as I hate the guy, he's Churchillian in comparison to the absurd Trump, "we have the greatest" nonsense.

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The nearest I've been to this previously was in 1956 in Singapore. We had a lad in  our barrack room was taken ill and rushed into the military hospital.  The info came back that he had a type of encephalitis. He was so bad that the Army refused to fly his parents out as the flight took 4 days and they didn't think he would live that long.  They found that the infection was caused by a mosquito bite from a mosquito that had been on a rat.  We were all put on lock-down and the Army came in and disinfected the whole area. We were ordered to sleep with mosquito nets, something we didn't usually bother with.  We were only on lock-down for about 4 days but we were mighty relieved when it was over.  Not knowing was the worst thing. Delighted to say that the lad recovered and was shipped back to blighty.

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1 hour ago, holystove said:

UK health ministers are refusing to attend European health ministers conference calls because it doesn't rhyme with brexit.. ffs.

I haven’t seen anything reported to support that here, but it wouldn’t surprise me that that has happened, this government has been pushing for self isolation before the breakout of the Coronavirus. 

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16 hours ago, Matt said:

Pretty sure the BBC announced he had been cleared. 

Trump may have tested negative, but Rand Paul is the first US senator to test positive. This is the guy who voted against the government offering free testing and financial support to those affected.

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My older daughter is a physician assistant (whom you see when you visit a 'doctor' in the US), and my oldest son and his girlfriend are nurses. My son texted us the other night because they are seeing a rush a new patients in the ICU where he works, and they're not just older patients: some are in their 20s, 30s, 40s, or 50s. He's urging us to stay at home for as long as it takes. They're already working longer hours and on their days off. I really hope they don't get sick: If doctors and nurses go down with this, who helps patients then?

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27 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Trump may have tested negative, but Rand Paul is the first US senator to test positive. This is the guy who voted against the government offering free testing and financial support to those affected.

oh the irony

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2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Trump may have tested negative, but Rand Paul is the first US senator to test positive. This is the guy who voted against the government offering free testing and financial support to those affected.

I hope he plans to pull himself up by his bootstraps and invent his own vaccine/treatments.

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10 hours ago, MikeO said:

This is beginning to feel like a disaster movie; I watch the TV and can't get my head around the fact that it's a real thing. The strangest part of it is that I'm quite impressed by Johnson at the press briefings as much as I hate the guy, he's Churchillian in comparison to the absurd Trump, "we have the greatest" nonsense.

I think you make a good point. I did 12 years in the military and had several 'leaders' who I didn't particularly like. But if we ever went to war, they were the guys I wanted to be in charge.

Leadership isn't a popularity contest. Any fool can be popular. Sometimes we just have to do the right thing, even ensure that others do the right thing too, especially when they can't or won't see the greater need to behave in a certain manner. And I think that is exactly what Johnson is doing now. Love him or hate him personally, he is doing a bloody good job as PM of leading the country through this crisis.

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11 hours ago, Palfy said:

I haven’t seen anything reported to support that here, but it wouldn’t surprise me that that has happened, this government has been pushing for self isolation before the breakout of the Coronavirus. 

 

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Actually can't believe there are people praising Johnson's leadership during all of this. I think he's been a disaster and his 'leadership' will have led to a lot of heartache and loss by the time this virus fully hits.

That's all I'm going to say on it. I'm not getting into it with anyone, so don't reply.

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Johnson made out it was only flu and has dawdled over every decision. Very much playing catch up with hesitation as every necessary step shits all over tory policy. NHS funding, low skill workers showing they are the foundation, and most of all the piss-poor social aid. Any other government would have acted faster and more efficiently. Why shut theatres but leave pubs open?! Meanwhile heartless businesses are laying staff off. The government shouldn't have given them the chance and should punish those who did. Look at us compared to any other country and it is telling we are ran for companies, not for the people. 

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11 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Johnson made out it was only flu and has dawdled over every decision. Very much playing catch up with hesitation as every necessary step shits all over tory policy. NHS funding, low skill workers showing they are the foundation, and most of all the piss-poor social aid. Any other government would have acted faster and more efficiently. Why shut theatres but leave pubs open?! Meanwhile heartless businesses are laying staff off. The government shouldn't have given them the chance and should punish those who did. Look at us compared to any other country and it is telling we are ran for companies, not for the people. 

I was commenting purely on the basis of the press briefing I watched yesterday and his demeanour which I thought was in stark contrast to...

1. His normal buffoonery and...

2. The contrast with Trumps' idiocy.

At least he seemed to be listening to the "experts" rather than making nonsensical suggestions. Time will tell whether all decisions made were right or wrong; actually time probably won't tell because we'll never know how things would have turned out had we done things differently

Anyway this is beyond politics now.

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2 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I was commenting purely on the basis of the press briefing I watched yesterday and his demeanour which I thought was in stark contrast to...

1. His normal buffoonery and...

2. The contrast with Trumps' idiocy.

At least he seemed to be listening to the "experts" rather than making nonsensical suggestions. Time will tell whether all decisions made were right or wrong; actually time probably won't tell because we'll never know how things would have turned out had we done things differently

Anyway this is beyond politics now.

That's a pretty low bar to start from tbf. 

For anyone stuck at home audible have free books to listen to. 

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/radio/2020-03-20/audible-just-made-hundreds-of-titles-completely-free-to-help-during-coronavirus-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR3YeAY7ECbrIgZWGEoVdTGX4i5BCiXP-635hcXbDGEoGLtMl0G1zYfDLnU

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42 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Look at us compared to any other country and it is telling we are ran for companies, not for the people. 

the above statement is applicable to the bill the republicans just tried to pass to "offer support".  all it was was handouts and free money for corporations leaving the families and middle/poor classes left behind.  it makes me sick that with everything going on certain segments of politicians are still trying to use it to THEIR gain, and not the gain of the people hurting most. 

 

for a balanced view from me though, i would like to note that although i'm usual republican bashing here, my state Ohio has a republican governor who has done exceptional.  we are now the 4th state to shutdown and we don't have it anywhere as bad as the other 3, he has been ahead of the federal government on all things, and really is proactive and not reactive (like trump).  so here i am waxing lyrical about a Republican, lest people think i am some commie left winger stuck in an echo chamber, well done Mike DeWine keep it up and you'll get my vote for re-election.

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11 hours ago, holystove said:

 

That’s incredible and embarrassing I don’t understand or know why this is the case, but I’m guessing 52% would agree with this stance and the other 48% like myself are disappointed and embarrassed that we cannot work with the EU to find a solution to this problem. 

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I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson, but all credit to the government for this lockdown. Not a moment too soon.

People have been pouring into Cornwall and crowding the roads and beaches. I saw pictures yesterday of Tregantle in east Cornwall, and the parking and crowds are ridiculous. If these people get sick, they'll tie up the very limited resources we have in our country. Our only major hospital (Treliske in Truro) has fewer than 1,000 beds.

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2 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I'm not a fan of Boris Johnson, but all credit to the government for this lockdown. Not a moment too soon.

People have been pouring into Cornwall and crowding the roads and beaches. I saw pictures yesterday of Tregantle in east Cornwall, and the parking and crowds are ridiculous. If these people get sick, they'll tie up the very limited resources we have in our country. Our only major hospital (Treliske in Truro) has fewer than 1,000 beds.

In the meantime, President Trump is apparently bored with this virus and wants something else to talk about. His government is seriously thinking to end all current restrictions and encourage everyone to return to work next week. In the words of one conservative, it's just not worth the money and the hit to the economy to save the lives of older or sick people. Frankly, I couldn't believe that when I read it, but it's totally in line with the philosophy of the president's principal financial backer, Bob Mercer.

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23 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Trump may have tested negative, but Rand Paul is the first US senator to test positive. This is the guy who voted against the government offering free testing and financial support to those affected.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/senators-blast-rand-pauls-irresponsible-behavior-while-awaiting-coronavirus-results/

And guess what is this guy's profession? He's a doctor!

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6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

In the meantime, President Trump is apparently bored with this virus and wants something else to talk about. His government is seriously thinking to end all current restrictions and encourage everyone to return to work next week. In the words of one conservative, it's just not worth the money and the hit to the economy to save the lives of older or sick people. Frankly, I couldn't believe that when I read it, but it's totally in line with the philosophy of the president's principal financial backer, Bob Mercer.

UK was in the same place only a couple of weeks ago.  (at one private event at the end of February, Cummings outlined then government’s strategy at the time in a way that was summarised by some present as “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”)

And now the UK is in semi-lockdown.

US will get there too.. until we find a way to fight this virus, defense is the only option and that means quarantine.

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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the above statement is applicable to the bill the republicans just tried to pass to "offer support".  all it was was handouts and free money for corporations leaving the families and middle/poor classes left behind.  it makes me sick that with everything going on certain segments of politicians are still trying to use it to THEIR gain, and not the gain of the people hurting most. 

 

for a balanced view from me though, i would like to note that although i'm usual republican bashing here, my state Ohio has a republican governor who has done exceptional.  we are now the 4th state to shutdown and we don't have it anywhere as bad as the other 3, he has been ahead of the federal government on all things, and really is proactive and not reactive (like trump).  so here i am waxing lyrical about a Republican, lest people think i am some commie left winger stuck in an echo chamber, well done Mike DeWine keep it up and you'll get my vote for re-election.

How has the flooding effected you?

Another scare in our household but turns out my daughter “only” has strep throat yet again. So she’s on antibiotics for the 3rd time in 4 months. Not slowed her down or affected her in anyway mind you 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

How has the flooding effected you?

Another scare in our household but turns out my daughter “only” has strep throat yet again. So she’s on antibiotics for the 3rd time in 4 months. Not slowed her down or affected her in anyway mind you 

not affected, it's central and southern ohio, i'm at the north on lake erie.  the only crazy thing that happened here is due to global climate change the lake never froze over for the winter.  the last time it didn't freeze was 1973.  when it freezes it helps the wildlife living in the lake, it stops erosion (some areas now getting 3 feet of erosion a day! due to no ice), and is beneficial to the overall ecology of the lake.  it also gives us a cool spring because the lake is warming but the ice keeps local temps down.  i fear we will have an absolute scorcher of a spring and summer now.

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I have had to close my carpentry business today nearly 70 people laid off 7 of which are PAYE who I will carry on paying 80% of their salaries to through the government scheme. 
It’s the self employed I’m most concerned for as the chancellor still hasn’t come up with a solution for the 1.5 million self employed in this country, we have heard that he will be making an announcement in the next day or so, he needs to get on with it and make it good. 
We have been told this is initially going to be for 3 weeks but we are expecting it to be more like 3 months. 
Personally I’m good with it just a shame I can’t go to Spain for 2-3 months, I’ve got a few things going on out there at the moment and it would have been nice being out there to keep an eye on it. 
But I’m at the moment fit and healthy as I hope this finds you, your family and friends, and that’s all that matters in time’s like this. 

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9 hours ago, Palfy said:

I have had to close my carpentry business today nearly 70 people laid off 7 of which are PAYE who I will carry on paying 80% of their salaries to through the government scheme. 
It’s the self employed I’m most concerned for as the chancellor still hasn’t come up with a solution for the 1.5 million self employed in this country, we have heard that he will be making an announcement in the next day or so, he needs to get on with it and make it good. 
We have been told this is initially going to be for 3 weeks but we are expecting it to be more like 3 months. 
Personally I’m good with it just a shame I can’t go to Spain for 2-3 months, I’ve got a few things going on out there at the moment and it would have been nice being out there to keep an eye on it. 
But I’m at the moment fit and healthy as I hope this finds you, your family and friends, and that’s all that matters in time’s like this. 

Is that because construction sites have closed down or were you servicing the general public?

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23 minutes ago, Chach said:

Is that because construction sites have closed down or were you servicing the general public?

2 companies we work for decided to close there operations which amounted to close to 50% of our work, so we took the decision to close based partly on that and it was the right thing to do after the government’s advice, and the fact they said they were going to give help to the self employed comparable to PAYE, if they stuck to the statutory sick pay of around £90.00 a week for them in all honesty we would still be open for business.  

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This is a weak government more concerned with not spending than keeping the country safe, still advocating that none essential workers should go to work if they can’t work from home, rather than have to support people to stay at home. 
They talk the talk but can’t walk the walk and people on here have been singing Boris’s praises what for I have know idea. 

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Hi guys. I work in the construction  industry and have just been furloughed. Most building sites will shut on Friday and many already have that I am involved with. The delay is largely down to the issues around self employed workers who will soon be getting the same 80% wage payment that employed workers get during the shut down.

I had been supposed to be in work but I've been unable to shake this cold that has dogged me for weeks and so I have taken holidays to self-isolate. The furlough has come at just the right time.

I don't know what I have got because it has been almost a month since first symptoms have shown up. Absolutely no fever or temperature, just common cold symptoms that won't clear up. I'm still able to do work around the house and not getting tired or out of breath but I'm now concerned as my 5 week old son has developed symptoms and so far we are just told to stay in self-isolation.

I'm praying it is just a persistent cold and that I've just been a bit run down with having to juggle work with a newborn and caring for the rest of the family. Still keeping tabs on the baby but no temperature or any other symptoms that suggest it is anything other than the sniffles.

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On 24/03/2020 at 11:43, Matt said:

How has the flooding effected you?

Another scare in our household but turns out my daughter “only” has strep throat yet again. So she’s on antibiotics for the 3rd time in 4 months. Not slowed her down or affected her in anyway mind you 

It's a bloody awful time to get sick. I'm absolutely run down and can't shake off this cold. Baby has had colic and as that has started to ease he has now picked up this cold. I feel so sorry for him as all we can do is use a saline nasal spray to try and relieve symptoms 

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On 24/03/2020 at 08:09, holystove said:

UK was in the same place only a couple of weeks ago.  (at one private event at the end of February, Cummings outlined then government’s strategy at the time in a way that was summarised by some present as “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”)

And now the UK is in semi-lockdown.

US will get there too.. until we find a way to fight this virus, defense is the only option and that means quarantine.

Herd immunity is pretty much impossible with a coronavirus as they just mutate so much. The virus you become "immune" to will have mutated again in 6 months time. That's why we  need to have flu jabs every year as the influenza virus is similar.

We still don't know why some people can survive viruses and other don't. In Africa with ebola there are patients who are at death's door for ages and then rally for a full recovery whilst others who have mild symptoms can take a turn for the worst and lose their lives.

Have you ever seen a Chinese wet market by the way? Or any of the kind of street markets in east Asia where they sell live animals? Due to lack of refrigeration they generally prefer to purchase their food live and have it slaughtered and prepared in front of them. This is often done in very unsanitary conditions and is a massive vector for the transmission  of viruses. This was a time bomb that was bound to go off and as humans encroach more and more into the habitats of wild animals then more and more exotic viruses will show themselves. 

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2 minutes ago, holystove said:

If you're proposing a supra-national type of body that would provide an institutional framework where member-countries could agree common high standards for Food Safety, I'm all for it Paul 😉

I've no problem with it. We have a World Health Organisation and a United Nations for global security. Keynes proposed all of that in the 30s stating that globalism is a good thing when it comes to sharing technology, medical research, security and education; but where goods could be homespun they should be.

I think the coronavirus pandemic has shown the folly of becoming totally dependent on overseas manufacturing as health workers have had to wait for PPE and our ventilators only being manufactured in 3 countries (Germany, Switzerland, Italy).

I honestly think we have hit the tipping point where the economic benefits for companies to produce overseas are not worth the social costs at home.

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Had to call 111. Poor Lucas is having trouble breathing, sucking his chest in to get a breath and gone off his milk. Very irritable and exhausted but can't sleep on his back. Possibly bronchiolitis, still waiting for them here.

Feel really guilty because he's definitely got this off me as I've had same symptoms for a while (bad cold that won't shift).

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42 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Update on my little fella. Ambulance came and took him for observations, wife has gone with. I'm at home with the kids waving at all the curtain twitchers in the street 

Feeling for you mate, sure he'll be OK though; gotta hate those twitchers. We had a thing a few years ago in our cul-de-sac where there'd been a pretty serious "domestic" and the young woman had been thrown out (admittedly very drunk) by her partner and was collapsed in the road with a head wound. We went out and looked after her, nobody else responded though they must have heard, you couldn't not; after a while took her home and told the partner (also very drunk) was not the way to behave. Lass knocked on our door a couple of days later to thank us and said she'd sworn off the booze. Peaceful ever since.

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1 minute ago, MikeO said:

Feeling for you mate, sure he'll be OK though; gotta hate those twitchers. We had a thing a few years ago in our cul-de-sac where there'd been a pretty serious "domestic" and the young woman had been thrown out (admittedly very drunk) by her partner and was collapsed in the road with a head wound. We went out and looked after her, nobody else responded though they must have heard, you couldn't not; after a while took her home and told the partner (also very drunk) was not the way to behave. Lass knocked on our door a couple of days later to thank us and said she'd sworn off the booze. Peaceful ever since.

They're gonna think it is corona chan. I'm gonna play along and make sure I cough extra loud all night.

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On a positive note, it's highly likely it is not coronavirus. After talking to paramedics and call handlers the symptoms seem to be a slight cold that progresses into a high fever that will subside. After the fever you will start coughing up pink discharge and then blood. That's when you need ventilation because you get real bad pneumonia.

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1 minute ago, TallPaul1878 said:

They're gonna think it is corona chan. I'm gonna play along and make sure I cough extra loud all night.

😂

I had a "thing" nearly twenty years ago when we lived in a different cul-de-sac where the police followed me home due to a hole in my exhaust (works vehicle). I parked up and the guy took my details and got on his radio; was school pick-up time so my wife went to pick up our lad and left the front door open for me to get in. Policeman got reply and turned out I was public enemy number one, three more units turned up with flashing lights; wouldn't even let me shut the front door and took me away in a van. Turned out someone in Norfolk had stolen my identity; was only when the booking sergeant asked me to take my shirt off to verify my tattoos (I had none) they realised the mistake and gave me a lift home.

Never told the neighbours the truth.:P

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5 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Another update. Lucas has been discharged. Diagnosed with bronchiolitis as suspected. Have to keep him warm and fluids up whilst he is fighting it as there is no medication available for it.

Have to say the staff at Whiston hospital were great. A&E was virtually empty as people are finally staying away when there is nothing really wrong with them. 

Glad you got an answer, although it’s weird to be thankful for bronchitis! 

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Glad you got an answer, although it’s weird to be thankful for bronchitis! 

Bronchiolitis is a different condition. It's caused by a virus. Bronchitis is caused by bacteria. Bronchitis can be cured with anti-biotics but viruses can't be.

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3 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Bronchiolitis is a different condition. It's caused by a virus. Bronchitis is caused by bacteria. Bronchitis can be cured with anti-biotics but viruses can't be.

My bad, misread. You just have to wait it out then?

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7 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Another update. Lucas has been discharged. Diagnosed with bronchiolitis as suspected. Have to keep him warm and fluids up whilst he is fighting it as there is no medication available for it.

Have to say the staff at Whiston hospital were great. A&E was virtually empty as people are finally staying away when there is nothing really wrong with them. 

Never thought I would be pleased to hear he’s got bronchiolitis, must be a wait off your mind Paul the thought that it could have been Coronavirus must have been frightening mate, I know I would have been in a panic. 
Hopefully he’s better very soon. 

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2 days at being at home with the dog getting a 1.5 hours walk every morning in the farmers fields, my garden is looking really nice spent about 10 hours working on it so far, I never thought I would like gardening but when there’s very little else to do it’s a relief to be doing it, although it will probably piss my mate off he’s been my gardener for the last few years. 

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Just been for an hour-long cycle ride with the kids by the Ashton Canal - slightly (very) surreal experience, being able to appreciate the great views and nature going about its business while we fret over jobs, livelihoods, life, and the damned virus. As I saw the sun bathing the hills in red and gold, I was reminded again of what a beautiful country we live in and how lucky we are to live here. There is much that is wrong with it, but there are many great things, too. Simple things like a cycle ride with the kids don't cost anything (okay, maybe a round of ice creams) but the memory will be there forever (which is all that counts). I hope, when this is over, that I will reflect more on such things rather than getting too angry or frustrated trying to occupy my time with nothing at all, and taking the kids to places that they don't really need to go to. Hope everyone is safe and well wherever you are.

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