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40 minutes ago, Chach said:

Yeah I don't think experts are as unanimously bullish about the AI technology boom creating jobs like previous technology booms, drivers of cars and trucks are going to be the first jobs to go which is the job pretty much anyone can currently get, obviously there will be a lot of new jobs for people who know how to code but they're not going to be the people who lose the driver jobs and we already have serious problems inequality now.

Regards to WFH I personally don't like it so pretty biased, I like the interaction and camaraderie with workmates and I only live 3km from the office so spend no time commuting/in traffic.

I would hope that a 'middle course' could be found. Instead of outsourcing people, outsource the office.  Move certain 'sub' offices out of high density population areas and closer to existing commuter belts. Then, continue with a 5 day working office week but with the option of 2/5 days done from home - or something like that. It preserves the social interaction (which is very important) allows for some working from home (also good) and reduces traffic and pollution while keeping the jobs in UK. If done efficiently, it could even reduce the physical size of offices needed as employees could pair up and share the same office space, one working from home while the other is in the office and vice versa.

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4 minutes ago, Chach said:

Yeah I don't think experts are as unanimously bullish about the AI technology boom creating jobs like previous technology booms, drivers of cars and trucks are going to be the first jobs to go which is the job pretty much anyone can currently get, obviously there will be a lot of new jobs for people who know how to code but they're not going to be the people who lose the driver jobs and we already have serious problems inequality now.

Regards to WFH I personally don't like it so pretty biased, I like the interaction and camaraderie with workmates and I only live 3km from the office so spend no time commuting/in traffic.

I have experienced both sides. My last job enforced no WFH which created nothing but stress for me, but I loved that job largely because of the people, so i completely understand that part. Commute aside which was a bitch. 

The job before that allowed for 2 days at home per week and was a 5min drive, but the company/department was so poorly managed that regardless of whether I was in the office or not, I ended up hating the job (although the team were great). 

There’s many examples of specific scenarios, but overall WFH is way more beneficial for a company from my experience 

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Passed the 30k global deaths apparently, 670k reported cases, gods know how many actual cases there are. Could be millions. I don’t see our lockdown ending at the end of April even though Switzerland has reacted well. Can’t see this not being top of the news for the next 4 months to be honest. 

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45 minutes ago, RPG said:

I would hope that a 'middle course' could be found. Instead of outsourcing people, outsource the office.  Move certain 'sub' offices out of high density population areas and closer to existing commuter belts. Then, continue with a 5 day working office week but with the option of 2/5 days done from home - or something like that. It preserves the social interaction (which is very important) allows for some working from home (also good) and reduces traffic and pollution while keeping the jobs in UK. If done efficiently, it could even reduce the physical size of offices needed as employees could pair up and share the same office space, one working from home while the other is in the office and vice versa.

I also see a future where job sharing will become the norm to create more employment in a shrinking market place, where people will do a 3 days a week, prices globally will drop for the everyday needs to live a sustainable life in line with the new average wage. 
This virus if prolonged could be the kick start for leading us down this route. 

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11 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I hear the first NHS workers have died of Coronavirus. It can’t have helped that they’ve not had adequate protective equipment. 

Complete and utter disregard for human life.  They had months to prepare for this.  They downgraded the required levels of PPE because they never had correct supplies.  

Surgical masks??? They needed to be FFP3 masks with filters.

Disgusting.

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17 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Complete and utter disregard for human life.  They had months to prepare for this.  They downgraded the required levels of PPE because they never had correct supplies.  

Surgical masks??? They needed to be FFP3 masks with filters.

Disgusting.

A government minister today said live on TV it would be wrong to expect our nurses and doctors on the front line to work without the proper PPE, that’s correct and I completely agree, now tell us why you have and still continue to let them care for patients without the proper PPE. 
I can’t find the words to describe how much admiration I have for these people, who care so much about others that they put themselves in so much danger knowing that they aren’t adequately protected. 
They are mothers fathers sisters brothers wife’s and husbands like all of us they want to return home safely to their families, yet this government are playing god with their lives. 

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48 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I hear the first NHS workers have died of Coronavirus. It can’t have helped that they’ve not had adequate protective equipment. 

In any other industry if you sent or gave someone a job to do and you didn’t supply them with PPE and they died, you would more than likely be facing a corporate man slaughter charge and rightly so. 

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46 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Complete and utter disregard for human life.  They had months to prepare for this.  They downgraded the required levels of PPE because they never had correct supplies.  

Surgical masks??? They needed to be FFP3 masks with filters.

Disgusting.

Haven’t you heard? This government are doing an outstanding job during the crisis and are leading us admirably. 

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4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Not to mention the 750,000 who have volunteered to help out; shouldn't be needed really but they deserve recognition as well.

100% mate I have applied to help but not heard anything yet.

I know you’re not in a position to do so Mike with your wife’s and your health, but I feel I know you well enough to know that if circumstances were different you would be one of the first to put they’re names down.

Stay safe. 

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10 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Haven’t you heard? This government are doing an outstanding job during the crisis and are leading us admirably. 

Yes and I’m sick of hearing it. 

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48 minutes ago, Palfy said:

100% mate I have applied to help but not heard anything yet.

I know you’re not in a position to do so Mike with your wife’s and your health, but I feel I know you well enough to know that if circumstances were different you would be one of the first to put they’re names down.

Stay safe. 

I would; Josh wanted to as well but we can't risk him bringing it home sadly.

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"Yesterday, one of the patients, terrified, tried to rip off the tubing and ventilator to which he was attached."

I apparently did that myself back in 1994 when I was in an intensive care unit with pneumonia, though I have no memory of it, I was in another world in my brain. I do remember very clearly the following weeks when the slightest thing exhausted me, getting out of the bath for example took around ten minutes of serious effort to achieve. The memory of that is still so vivid and I think that's why I'm a bit scared now, particularly since the radiotherapy damage done to my throat sometimes leaves me breathless even when otherwise healthy. Should be OK as we're in a rural location which obviously carries less risk than those in cities (so far).

Much respect to your offspring though Steve, you have every right to be very proud.

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Steve - Every single person working in the medical profession (home and abroad) and are helping to deal with this have my thanks, pride, admiration for everything they’re doing. From the smallest cog to the biggest cog. They are heroes and are the only ones that deserve those platitudes during all this. I can only speak about the politicians here but I refuse to thank any of ours, the good work of the NHS workers is in spite of the obstacles put in their way by those politicians. So when I see Conservative politicians joining in in that applause for those heroes, it boils my blood. Not long ago they cheered when they voted down increasing their pay. They can fuck off, because it’s those politicians that will be directly responsible for many more deaths than was necessary. I don’t know how they sleep at night and I don’t know how anyone is giving them an ounce of praise. 

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Regarding masks, it can be even worse than that. In the US, nurses are asked, when they take them off, to place them in an ordinary paper bag, so this happens many times throughout the day - potentially helping to transfer the virus from the outside to the inside of the mask.

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The lockdown in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the global coronavirus outbreak began, will be partially lifted on 8 April, officials say.

Travel restrictions in the rest of Hubei province, where Wuhan is located, will be lifted from midnight on Tuesday - for residents who are healthy.

A single new case of the virus was reported in Wuhan on Tuesday following almost a week of no reported new cases at all.

 

A light at the end of the tunnel.  ??

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3 hours ago, Bill said:

The lockdown in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the global coronavirus outbreak began, will be partially lifted on 8 April, officials say.

Travel restrictions in the rest of Hubei province, where Wuhan is located, will be lifted from midnight on Tuesday - for residents who are healthy.

A single new case of the virus was reported in Wuhan on Tuesday following almost a week of no reported new cases at all.

 

A light at the end of the tunnel.  ??

They did have a complete lockdown early which has obviously worked, what everyone will be watching for is when they relax restrictions is if they start getting a second spike, if not that would prove that going in to full lockdown works, and that Italy and Spain with much smaller populations have had more deaths because they left it to late. 

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1 hour ago, Tonsta said:

You actually believe what the chinese say, was it a whistle blower, only way you get the truth from them. 

I agree, those Chinese numbers are very suspect. Whistleblower reports speakof 40.000+ deaths.  We'll never know.

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1 hour ago, Tonsta said:

You actually believe what the chinese say, was it a whistle blower, only way you get the truth from them. 

 

16 minutes ago, holystove said:

I agree, those Chinese numbers are very suspect. Whistleblower reports speakof 40.000+ deaths.  We'll never know.

Not entirely sure how China would gain by fabricating numbers.

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7 hours ago, MikeO said:

 

Not entirely sure how China would gain by fabricating numbers.

I'm surprised by your comment.  Creating the illusion that your response is the best one to a crisis is page one in the authoritarian playbook.   

1) They want to keep Chinese people convinced there is no reason to question the leadership, that everything is under control.  That the communist regime is the only regime that had a good handle on the crisis.  Just look at all those capitalist countries with their thousands of deaths...

2) They want to project to the rest of the world how superior their model of government is.  They want countries to look at China as the leader of the world, and the first 'superpower' countries should look to for help and guidance.

It is easy to say in hindsight, but it's becoming clear China mishandled this crisis from the beginning.  This could be their Chernobyl, but as it is China we'll never know for sure how much they knew, when they knew it, and what they could (should) have done.

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7 hours ago, holystove said:

I'm surprised by your comment.  Creating the illusion that your response is the best one to a crisis is page one in the authoritarian playbook.   

1) They want to keep Chinese people convinced there is no reason to question the leadership, that everything is under control.  That the communist regime is the only regime that had a good handle on the crisis.  Just look at all those capitalist countries with their thousands of deaths...

2) They want to project to the rest of the world how superior their model of government is.  They want countries to look at China as the leader of the world, and the first 'superpower' countries should look to for help and guidance.

It is easy to say in hindsight, but it's becoming clear China mishandled this crisis from the beginning.  This could be their Chernobyl, but as it is China we'll never know for sure how much they knew, when they knew it, and what they could (should) have done.

If that was the case why aren’t we hearing these stories from the people of China, being leaked to journalists through the internet or by another medium. 
China has become a lot more transparent in the last 20 years it’s had to be to become a trading super power, I agree that they still let’s say keep there cards very close to there chests, but I don’t see how they can hide the number of deaths you are talking about from there own citizens which in turn wouldn’t be leaked to the west. 
That’s my view but I could easily be wrong, and the fact that we are not hearing this in the wider media I don’t feel I am. 

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59 minutes ago, Palfy said:

If that was the case why aren’t we hearing these stories from the people of China, being leaked to journalists through the internet or by another medium. 
China has become a lot more transparent in the last 20 years it’s had to be to become a trading super power, I agree that they still let’s say keep there cards very close to there chests, but I don’t see how they can hide the number of deaths you are talking about from there own citizens which in turn wouldn’t be leaked to the west. 
That’s my view but I could easily be wrong, and the fact that we are not hearing this in the wider media I don’t feel I am. 

Become a lot more transparent?! We only really get to see what they want us to see, to give this impression they are becoming more transparent. The cover up of the doctor who died from the virus is the latest evidence 

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10 minutes ago, Matt said:

The cover up of the doctor who died from the virus is the latest evidence 

In away that echoes what I’m saying if they struggle to hide the death of one doctor without it being proven and leaked to the west, how are they possible hiding the fact that they’ve had 40,000 plus deaths and saying they’ve only had 3,000 plus. 
I just can’t see what they would gain by trying to do so.

If they have and are that’s a strange one for me. 

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33 minutes ago, Palfy said:

In away that echoes what I’m saying if they struggle to hide the death of one doctor without it being proven and leaked to the west, how are they possible hiding the fact that they’ve had 40,000 plus deaths and saying they’ve only had 3,000 plus. 
I just can’t see what they would gain by trying to do so.

If they have and are that’s a strange one for me. 

 I believe at that point they had had 500+ deaths already, but even then it was still “leaked” if I remember correctly 

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

If that was the case why aren’t we hearing these stories from the people of China, being leaked to journalists through the internet or by another medium. 
China has become a lot more transparent in the last 20 years it’s had to be to become a trading super power, I agree that they still let’s say keep there cards very close to there chests, but I don’t see how they can hide the number of deaths you are talking about from there own citizens which in turn wouldn’t be leaked to the west. 
That’s my view but I could easily be wrong, and the fact that we are not hearing this in the wider media I don’t feel I am. 

here's one source https://www.nationalreview.com/news/wuhan-residents-dismiss-official-coronavirus-death-toll-the-incinerators-have-been-working-around-the-clock/

here's how they covered up at the start https://www.ft.com/content/fa83463a-4737-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

China is anything but transparant. With new technology it's becoming even worse, as their control over the population (including leakers) increases.  Look up the 'social credit system' they're implementing, scary stuff.

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36 minutes ago, holystove said:

here's one source https://www.nationalreview.com/news/wuhan-residents-dismiss-official-coronavirus-death-toll-the-incinerators-have-been-working-around-the-clock/

here's how they covered up at the start https://www.ft.com/content/fa83463a-4737-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

China is anything but transparant. With new technology it's becoming even worse, as their control over the population (including leakers) increases.  Look up the 'social credit system' they're implementing, scary stuff.

the national review is a barely credible far right publication, i am very surprised you are using them.  it's american far right which is about as anti-China as it gets, i'm not at all surprised they would have an article like that.

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58 minutes ago, holystove said:

here's one source https://www.nationalreview.com/news/wuhan-residents-dismiss-official-coronavirus-death-toll-the-incinerators-have-been-working-around-the-clock/

here's how they covered up at the start https://www.ft.com/content/fa83463a-4737-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

China is anything but transparant. With new technology it's becoming even worse, as their control over the population (including leakers) increases.  Look up the 'social credit system' they're implementing, scary stuff.

On our live government update today they were using what’s happening in China as a comparison to what’s happening here, I don’t want this to sound like I’m full of praise for China for all they do or say because I’m not, but surely the British government with all the secret services at there fingertips wouldn’t be publicly publishing the figures on Coronavirus in China if they didn’t think they were genuine, just a thought.

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12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

On our live government update today they were using what’s happening in China as a comparison to what’s happening here, I don’t want this to sound like I’m full of praise for China for all they do or say because I’m not, but surely the British government with all the secret services at there fingertips wouldn’t be publicly publishing the figures on Coronavirus in China if they didn’t think they were genuine, just a thought.

This government relies far too heavily on China for investment (as the tories don't believe in public spending other than their own fat expenses) so they're not in a good position to argue otherwise with the Chinese. 

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11 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the national review is a barely credible far right publication, i am very surprised you are using them.  it's american far right which is about as anti-China as it gets, i'm not at all surprised they would have an article like that.

Did not know that about the national review.   There's other publications reporting the same though.  Point is, China's numbers are very unlikely.  Very poor hygiene, a cover up to start the epidemic, millions cooped together and still only 3000 deaths... Add to that China has lied about everything and anything negative happening within its borders in the past.   If you go by the numbers there's another country that is even more impressive than China, North Korea with 0 deaths.

To answer Palfy's point, just because their numbers might not be correct, doesn't mean you can't learn something from what you do know for certain about their approach.

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14 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the national review is a barely credible far right publication, i am very surprised you are using them.  it's american far right which is about as anti-China as it gets, i'm not at all surprised they would have an article like that.

Media bias has them as right biased but mostly factual, which is entirely possible unless you view conservatism as a mental illness.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/

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1 hour ago, Chach said:

Media bias has them as right biased but mostly factual, which is entirely possible unless you view conservatism as a mental illness.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/

If you look at credible sources on that site (Like NPR)  you will see them only listed in the “very high” setting.  National review is 2 below that.  Not something I would trust especially on a China hit piece,  but to each their own.

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19 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

If you look at credible sources on that site (Like NPR)  you will see them only listed in the “very high” setting.  National review is 2 below that.  Not something I would trust especially on a China hit piece,  but to each their own.

Thing is mate I would believe a right biased US news publication before anything the Chinese government was telling us, remember they currently have a couple of million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps for "re-education" 

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On 29/03/2020 at 20:04, Matt said:

WFH 

Update, two days WFH and have to admit I'm being much more productive so far, although not enjoying the video meetings at all.

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17 minutes ago, Chach said:

Update, two days WFH and have to admit I'm being much more productive so far, although not enjoying the video meetings at all.

Confcalls and video meetings are a nightmare no matter where you are though!

 

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5 hours ago, Chach said:

Thing is mate I would believe a right biased US news publication before anything the Chinese government was telling us, remember they currently have a couple of million Uighur Muslims in concentration camps for "re-education" 

the country you live in had people in similar conditions on Manus Island (might still have them there).  USA has people in Guantanamo in cuba with no trial and torturing them daily.  we still take australia and usa info as credible.  no country is perfect (i'm not saying any of those actions are excuseable, they are not).  

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3 hours ago, Chach said:

Update, two days WFH and have to admit I'm being much more productive so far, although not enjoying the video meetings at all.

Harvard studies have shown working from home actually increases worker productivity.  I have been petitioning my work (before this crisis) to allow full work from home (i work remote 2 days a week usually) as a way for everyone to be more productive and have better work/life balance.  i'm hoping with this crisis and everyone working from home now they will see the benefits. Thankfully we aren't doing video meetings, just audio, i can understand how video meetings would be awful.  have you seen the tweet going round about the lady who goes to the bathroom during the video meeting not realizing everyone is watching her?  

 

https://www.inc.com/scott-mautz/new-harvard-research-says-its-time-to-let-employees-work-from-anywhere-the-productivity-gains-alone-are-impressive.html 

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WHO said test test test 6 weeks ago, Boris and his cronies until 2 weeks ago said no it’s not necessary, with deaths soaring and hospitals being stretched, today they have realised what we all new that testing for everyone is the only way forward, since this started this government have never had a viable plan, Boris has always acted like the lovable clown 🤡 the reality is it wasn’t an act he is a fucking clown 🤡 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

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Sure we've talked anti-vaccination on here, can't find the thread though. 

 

That almost wants me to reactivate my social media accounts to spam it everywhere 

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Count your blessings you don't live in the state of Georgia. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the guy in charge where I live.

Incidentally, it's nice to see that Uncle Arthur is doing well here in Atlanta. Does Del Boy know?
 

 

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18 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the country you live in had people in similar conditions on Manus Island (might still have them there).  USA has people in Guantanamo in cuba with no trial and torturing them daily.  we still take australia and usa info as credible.  no country is perfect (i'm not saying any of those actions are excuseable, they are not).  

That's whataboutery, Australia has had mandatory detention since the 90's for people arriving without a valid visa. (most of whom have been settled here as soon as their identify and status as refugees could be established) 

That is not analogous to detaining your own citizens and subjecting them to "re-education" because of their religious beliefs and then harvesting the organs of citizens who won't comply.

The US and Australia are taken as credible because they ARE credible, we have multi layered government systems with separation of power and a robust free press. There is no comparison.

 

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