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2 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Spoken like a true Evertonian haha!

Admittedly I don't follow Salford but strange that Darron Gibson has only come onto the pitch with around 15 minutes to go. I would have thought that his experience might have been a handy tool and expected to see him from the start - quite fall from grace since leaving Everton; Sunderland to Wigan to Salford's bench. Shame.

"I was born this way"

-Lady Gaga

It is pretty strange, I didn't even realize he was there. Definitely a huge fall. Hope he's doing better though. 

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1 minute ago, chicagoblue said:

Good job Gylfi as captain to give that to Kean and calmly dispatched.  Still, would've taken the earlier header over that.

Genuinely thought that he had tripped over his own feet when he did that weird jump, never felt me heart higher in my mouth before - made up that he's scored although like you, I'd much rather he scored with his header as opposed to smashing it against the post.

Wish this post would fuck off like, Gordon just smashed it again. Could have been about 17-0 this now.

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31 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Get out of here. He's gonna be awful next game. 

Think the fact that Carlo hasn't made a single change, even when comfortable shows that none of the players on the pitch today will be playing a good chunk of the West Brom game (except Digne of course). We'll probably see Gylfi around 70 minutes when the game is hopefully wrapped up.

Edit: Forgot Michael Keane.

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3 goals to their 0, 15 shots to their 6, 8 on target to their 1 and 71% possession but apparently that wasn't comfortable... Easiest game we'll see all season with a B Team and sitting in first gear. The second goal came a bit later than I would have liked in a perfect world but as I said on the first page of this thread, I'd much rather a nice easy first gear win than a 6-0 demolition that fatigues the players for the weekend. 

Sure, one or two players are clearly not part of the European Masterplan for the future but they beat what was in front of them and that's all we can ask for - an unchanged side against Fleetwood knocks them out IMO, probably with first gear still engaged too. 

Gylfi MOTM, remove the cringeworthy agenda against him and you'll see he did well tonight. 1 goal, 1 assist and put in a phenomenal cross that Kean should have scored, ticked every box for me.

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11 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Positive from the game:- we can see who the negative forces are in the squad.

 

Anthony Gordon is a star in the making, Niels is a great option at left back. 

I agree Haf - not much else to take from this game other than Theo is shite and youngsters (mainly Gordon, Niels) look very promising.  Bernard, Suggy & Davies still useful although expensive on the wages for what they deliver!

Keane I thought was MoM tonight. Virginia a surprise and did everything he needed to do too.

I dont think we need to worry about either FB position or the LW position for reinforcement.

What is a must is a true RW, followed by a CB - both purchases in my mind!

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B team - job done. Same next round, please.

I don't get why some want to tire our first team in order to beat Salford - Salford! - by a larger margin. Let the first team focus on WBA this weekend and make it 6 points from our first two games. By Sunday night, we could be in first place!

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Am I the only one that thought, outside the last 20 minutes and a nice ball for the first assist, Gylfi was fairly poor today? The whole midfield 3 were.  Just far too negative when getting on the ball out of the back and then anywhere through the middle.  All the industry was via the CBs or down the wings.

Keane, Nkounkou, or Gordon best for mine.

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1 hour ago, Btay said:

1-0 is not comfortable by any stretch to a lower tier team. Especially when our goal has come from a corner.

Young Lb is looking very very good, great bit of business from brands.

Gordon is following Richarlisons steps as the LF who can cut in, looking very dangerous.

Bernard and Davies are trying to get on the ball and make things happen. Seems like Sigurdsson only wants the ball when it’s a corner/free kick.

Kean - struggling.
 

Keane - changing my opinion on him. Assured and looking like a leader.

I don’t think Keane is ever gonna be a world beater but he’s looking like he’s settled in as a good, solid premier league CB. 

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Positives:

Nkounkou looks very good going forward. Lightning pace and quick tricky feet. 

Gordon had a really good game and was very unlucky not to have a goal. You could see how much he wants to score. Seems to be progressing well albeit a good performance against a lower league team. 

Bernard looked good in glimpses although still cant seem to do the simple things. 

Negatives:

The squad clearly lacks quality in depth. For 20 minutes or we allowed Salford to get into the game and if they showed more attacking intent they could have turned it on its head.

Moise Kean had an awful game. Clearly either doesn't want to be here or isnt good enough, which one that is I'm not sure. If Dom gets injured this season we do not seem to have adequate cover for him. 

Tom Davies although showed a couple of nice touches reinforced opinion on his lack of ability. If he just scrapes through on being a Premier League player on technical ability and determination his decision making stomps all over it, it's truly awful and it is my opinion that he will not make it at this level because of that. 

Theo Walcott. Another player who lacks adequate decision making. Im tired of watching him burst into space in the penalty area and try to score from a tight angle with players waiting for the cut back. If Nkounkou is able to play further forward I wouldn't mind letting him go this summer and allowing him to play that role - providing Carlo has, seen enough of him to know he would be effective there. 

All in all a job done and a win to progress. The second team line up worked and we can play on Saturday with fresh legs. 

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23 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Think the fact that Carlo hasn't made a single change, even when comfortable shows that none of the players on the pitch today will be playing a good chunk of the West Brom game (except Digne of course). We'll probably see Gylfi around 70 minutes when the game is hopefully wrapped up.

And Keane 

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It was a game where I always thought we were comfortable but at the same time it was frustrating in that middle part of the match. First half we took our foot off the gas after a lively start and became too negative and then second half the effort was there but the application wasn't until that second goal went in and then we really cruised home.

Virginia had nothing to do, and weirdly he probably ends up a little disappointed that he didn't have to make a save and impress the boss!

All centre backs were very solid. A couple of moments second half where Keane and Digne went walkies as Digne forgot he was playing centre back but that is being extremely picky.

Kenny is probably disappointed he didn't see more of the ball. He probably hopes that he gets to play with someone else in front of him next time.

Nkounkou looks like a star in the making. Strong, quick, great feet and great timing of the pass. The timing and weight of the ball to Gordon for the 2nd shouldn't be underestimated because plenty others get that wrong. If Walcott had bust a gut he could have had an assist too. Really impressed.

In midfield I though Gylfi was putting on an exhibition. His passing was quick and crisp and defensively he was spot on. In the first half he was deeper and wasn't expected to do anything exciting but second half when he switched with Davies, he created several chances, scored one and hit the post. My Motm.

Bernard was also excellent throughout. Great energy, some sloppiness here and there but on the whole he was another to keep us ticking over and throwing in a bit of quality here and there. Unlucky not to score too. 

Davies definitely had his moments and he looked miles better when he turned and got his head up. Quality is thr issue with him and it showed along with his lack of physicality.

Out wide, I'm not going to waste too much time on Walcott. He was shite and shouldn't be on the bench. 

Gordon started lively enough, went through a period of almost a lack of belief and then as soon as he slipped that ball to Siggy, which was probably the hardest ball he had to play all game, he then went up another gear and finished with a real flourish. He needed to because it was clear that he could from the first 10-15 minutes and credit to him for getting there in the end whereas the twat on the other wing was completely disinterested. 

Kean to his credit played very well in the second half. Yes he should have scored the header but his contribution to the team was loads better and credit to whoever it was who told him to sort himself out at half time. He stopped over-playing and he did the simple things well. 

A couple of mentions should go to the management team as well. Sorting out Keans head for one and also for the switching of Davies and Siggy. Not to mention our 2nd set piece goal of the season.

On to the next one!

 

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i would love to see the same lineup as sunday but with gylfi in the gomes spot.  i think having allan and doucoure would show his true qualities and allow him to link up and thread through balls.  i hope to see it sometime this season.  

I really don’t see the Gylfi accolades. He crosses well at times and put his goal away well but some of his short passing today was poor. He was still very negative against a league 2 side. His first move is almost always to look at going backwards. He does do a lot of pointing though. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Gordon started lively enough, went through a period of almost a lack of belief and then as soon as he slipped that ball to Siggy, which was probably the hardest ball he had to play all game, he then went up another gear and finished with a real flourish. He needed to because it was clear that he could from the first 10-15 minutes and credit to him for getting there in the end whereas the twat on the other wing was completely disinterested. 

Gordon should have done better, we targeted their right back as he was clearly their weak link yet Gordon's end product let him down. He'll not be happy with that performance, and he'll not have an easier game in his career. 

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Really don't see what Davies done wrong to ignite his moaners. He played better than the captain of Iceland and a Brazilian international who are both more experienced yet less stick. On Bernard, given the opposition I'd expect an exhibition from him, he was really disappointing today, half arsed or in two minds what to do. 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Gordon should have done better, we targeted their right back as he was clearly their weak link yet Gordon's end product let him down. He'll not be happy with that performance, and he'll not have an easier game in his career. 

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Really don't see what Davies done wrong to ignite his moaners. He played better than the captain of Iceland and a Brazilian international who are both more experienced yet less stick. On Bernard, given the opposition I'd expect an exhibition from him, he was really disappointing today, half arsed or in two minds what to do. 

i'll agree with you on davies, i also thought he had a good match.  when he was the DM he was intercepting and pressing like a madman, when he was the more forward CM i thought he played some nice passes.  i'd give him a 6/7 out of 10.  i honestly believe he has become the new ross barkley where he can't do any right for most fans.  sadly i fear gordon will be next.  do we really need to eat our young?

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11 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

Am I the only one that thought, outside the last 20 minutes and a nice ball for the first assist, Gylfi was fairly poor today? The whole midfield 3 were.  Just far too negative when getting on the ball out of the back and then anywhere through the middle.  All the industry was via the CBs or down the wings.

Keane, Nkounkou, or Gordon best for mine.

You've just saved my sanity. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Creaming over Gylfi fluffing up his stats against a fucking League 2 side, whilst totally forgetting that up against even half-decent opposition he literally hides on the pitch!

You want a flat track bully, here you go. Look no further than Gylfi Sigurdsson.

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A return to the slow, boring, clueles football from last season. It was a million miles away from Sunday and was a reminder that that sort of football is only a few injuries away again. So lets pray for minimal injuries...

I expected more from some of these players. They should have been showing that they can be part of this squad, fighting for their places. But out of the more established players only Davies showed anything approaching that. He showed hunger for me and I almost fell off my chair when he ran forward with the ball a couple of times. He should have had a goal too. Kenny was disappointing for me, didn't really get involved. Kean was pap. Gylfi was Gylfi (see above for full view on him). Nothing new to say about Walcott - he has a go but he's frustrating. Same with Bernie really.

The ones that did do themselves justice are Gordon and Nkounkou. For the Frenchman he looks strong, powerful but also very skilful as well - he's got quick feet and can beat a man. We don't need to bring in another LB if this is what he's showing already. I'm so glad Gordon had a game like that because despite being impressed with his effort and work ethic I've been a little disappointed with his performances as a whole. But he really came into his own and grew as the game went on. He was very unlucky not to have at least one goal. It's only League 2 opposition but it will give him a nice little confidence boost. If we do bring in another wide player his game time will suffer so it'll be very important to get him a good loan move - he'll have plenty of takers, I'm sure.

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Dont see any future for Moise at the club, awful. no touch,no control and no end product.

This is the reason we got him from Italy for buttons.

There were some good performances last night but remember it was Salford we played.

Until we got the 2nd goal in the last 15 mins we did not look safe.

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9 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Considering how the market has evolved in the last 10 years this has shades of Seamus type value. Long way still but certainly stood out today. 

Even better maybe, we had to pay for Seamus - Niels was free (long way to go though - maybe we should loan him to Blackpool - but signs are there that he could be very good)

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

Kean to his credit played very well in the second half. Yes he should have scored the header but his contribution to the team was loads better and credit to whoever it was who told him to sort himself out at half time. He stopped over-playing and he did the simple things well. 

 

That was very visible I thought too - 1st half performance he could have been pulled and moved on. Second half much different - a Carlo rocket at half time maybe?

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52 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

You've just saved my sanity. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Creaming over Gylfi fluffing up his stats against a fucking League 2 side, whilst totally forgetting that up against even half-decent opposition he literally hides on the pitch!

You want a flat track bully, here you go. Look no further than Gylfi Sigurdsson.

Yep. Exactly the same as me.... I wanted Gylfi doing his thing when we were losing the ball left right and centre.  All very well doing it at 2.0 when Salford had given up.   He should have been doing what james did for us Vs spurs..... "Gimme the ball, I'll look after it and give it to a man in space"

It's the reason why we have been a weak side, poor character in players who should offer more. 

Moise Kean another, couldn't trap a bag of cement but stole the penno at 2-0 up which I think Gordon should have had.... He blanked Gordon's congratulations. Pissed me off as he proved he's another who is all about him.  Made up Dunc subbed him, the lads ego is ridiculous

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3 hours ago, Cisk said:

Even better maybe, we had to pay for Seamus - Niels was free (long way to go though - maybe we should loan him to Blackpool - but signs are there that he could be very good)

You're absolutely right. Sorry i thought we forked over a couple hundred thousand in a transfer fee/tribunal. On a free this is even more incredible. 

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4 hours ago, Tonsta said:

Dont see any future for Moise at the club, awful. no touch,no control and no end product.

This is the reason we got him from Italy for buttons.

 

i think we actually paid a lot of money for him which is the problem.  we are likely to lose on that come sell time so i think they're hoping he comes good.

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5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i think we actually paid a lot of money for him which is the problem.  we are likely to lose on that come sell time so i think they're hoping he comes good.

I think he needs to go on loan. Really wanted him to succeed but his attitude seems a bit weird. He can’t play the hold up striker as has been mentioned before, and usually I’d say we should play to his strengths to get the best out of him, but blanking Gordon is just unacceptable 

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13 hours ago, pete0 said:

Gordon should have done better, we targeted their right back as he was clearly their weak link yet Gordon's end product let him down. He'll not be happy with that performance, and he'll not have an easier game in his career. 

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Really don't see what Davies done wrong to ignite his moaners. He played better than the captain of Iceland and a Brazilian international who are both more experienced yet less stick. On Bernard, given the opposition I'd expect an exhibition from him, he was really disappointing today, half arsed or in two minds what to do. 

With a young lad like Gordon you have to expect that their end ball isn't going to be consistent. Only the very best come out of the womb with that composure and some like Walcott never get there. He probably should have ended up with at least a goal, in fact I think he missed his easiest chance or hit it right at the keeper, and he had easier balls he should have converted for clear cut chances for teammates but in the end he picked one out and then was also able to fire off a couple of decent shots that were inches from nestling in the bottom corner. He still has a lot to work on but he at least stood out as being better than the opposition.

I didn't think Davies played poorly, far from it, it was much more like him but you still saw the same issues he has that get exposed the higher up the levels he goes. He got caught a couple of times dwelling on the ball, he went through a period in the middle of the game (and he wasn't the only one) of being too safe with his passing options and then the biggest issue for him is that when he does get out of position, which he did for one of their chances, he has no chance of effecting the game because they can jog away from him. There were plenty of positives as well though, and once he started turning on the ball a lot more and getting his head up again and dribbling through gaps but even then he never had the pace or strength to get away, or the final ball to make a difference.

Gyfli on the other hand saw the game straight away. Loads of one touch passing, moving the ball into space, changing the angles of the attacks to where we had men over. He didn't do anything fancy early on in the game but that pivot role isn't about doing anything complicated, it is breaking down attacks and passing the ball on to players in space. Davies did well doing the same thing later in the game. The big difference was in the quality of the attacking balls when he moved into that attacking right hand central midfield channel. Davies can't do that and Gylfi, albeit up against far inferior opposition, did. I am also surprised that you think Bernard was poor as well. He ended up with something like 7 key passes and he was constantly on the move and available. His quality was a little mixed at times, but he probably played the most probing balls of anyone on the pitch, some just didn't come off.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

With a young lad like Gordon you have to expect that their end ball isn't going to be consistent. Only the very best come out of the womb with that composure and some like Walcott never get there. He probably should have ended up with at least a goal, in fact I think he missed his easiest chance or hit it right at the keeper, and he had easier balls he should have converted for clear cut chances for teammates but in the end he picked one out and then was also able to fire off a couple of decent shots that were inches from nestling in the bottom corner. He still has a lot to work on but he at least stood out as being better than the opposition.

I didn't think Davies played poorly, far from it, it was much more like him but you still saw the same issues he has that get exposed the higher up the levels he goes. He got caught a couple of times dwelling on the ball, he went through a period in the middle of the game (and he wasn't the only one) of being too safe with his passing options and then the biggest issue for him is that when he does get out of position, which he did for one of their chances, he has no chance of effecting the game because they can jog away from him. There were plenty of positives as well though, and once he started turning on the ball a lot more and getting his head up again and dribbling through gaps but even then he never had the pace or strength to get away, or the final ball to make a difference.

Gyfli on the other hand saw the game straight away. Loads of one touch passing, moving the ball into space, changing the angles of the attacks to where we had men over. He didn't do anything fancy early on in the game but that pivot role isn't about doing anything complicated, it is breaking down attacks and passing the ball on to players in space. Davies did well doing the same thing later in the game. The big difference was in the quality of the attacking balls when he moved into that attacking right hand central midfield channel. Davies can't do that and Gylfi, albeit up against far inferior opposition, did. I am also surprised that you think Bernard was poor as well. He ended up with something like 7 key passes and he was constantly on the move and available. His quality was a little mixed at times, but he probably played the most probing balls of anyone on the pitch, some just didn't come off.

He had the most chances of an Everton player since Mirallas v Burnley. Could argue he done well to get the opportunities but that right back was so poor, he couldn't handle his pace and got done again and again by the same move from Gordon cutting inside. He was fun to watch but at the end of the day to have nine shots and not score is a pretty poor overall performance. 

In the first half Davies created so much space for Bernard it should have been the Bernard show but instead he dawdled on the ball, made the wrong pass or had a timid shot. Sigurdssen offered very little in the first half albeit he was the most defensive minded of the three. Second half he was involved in the goals otherwise it was another invisible performance. 

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Lads ... Just wanna remind you.   We played a dogshit level of football against a side consisting of players who were released from clubs at 14 and played for sides like Rhyl last year..... So I'm finding it difficult to say Tom Davies played well or that Gylfi was man of the match. If was shite 

The attitude of Niels and Gordon were the only pluses for me.  Both have a future if they steer clear of half the lads they played alongside. 

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

do people think gordon is a CF?  he is so weak an weighs 75 pounds wet.

Who said he's a centre forward?

By the way ... For his size he managed to do far more with his stature than Moise who spent half his time getting pushed on the floor.

Gordon is a bright bright talent.  Two shots that hit the post were excellent efforts. 

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do people think gordon is a CF?  he is so weak an weighs 75 pounds wet.

No, not a CF, he’s either a winger or attacking mid, he certainly needs to bulk up, take a look at how DCL has changed his shape over the past three seasons, I remember seeing him take his shirt off at the end of a game a couple of seasons ago and his was very toned with six pack etc, but now he is much bulkier making him a real handful for defenders, Anthony doesn’t need to bulk us as much but does need to fill out and become stronger IMO.

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1 minute ago, Wiggytop said:

No, not a CF, he’s either a winger or attacking mid, he certainly needs to bulk up, take a look at how DCL has changed his shape over the past three seasons, I remember seeing him take his shirt off at the end of a game a couple of seasons ago and his was very toned with six pack etc, but now he is much bulkier making him a real handful for defenders, Anthony doesn’t need to bulk us as much but does need to fill out and become stronger IMO.

He turned 19 this year... He's barely stopped growing never mind putting on muscle. 

Phil Foden is a similar build. ...  Football ability can carry some smaller players far

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4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Lads ... Just wanna remind you.   We played a dogshit level of football against a side consisting of players who were released from clubs at 14 and played for sides like Rhyl last year..... So I'm finding it difficult to say Tom Davies played well or that Gylfi was man of the match. If was shite 

The attitude of Niels and Gordon were the only pluses for me.  Both have a future if they steer clear of half the lads they played alongside. 

There is no doubt that the performances we saw have to be compared to the quality of the opposition and I don't think anyone here is suggesting that anyone who played yesterday should be ousting someone from the first team. You can only look at who performed on the day and who didn't. In my opinion one person didn't show up at all and had no desire to either (Walcott). 

Did Gylfi play well, yes he did. Should he have played well given who he was up against, yes he should. He controlled midfield from deep and then when he moved forward he created more chances than anyone else. I am pretty sure Carlo would have been more than happy with his performance and especially how he stepped up when he wanted to change his tactics. 

The test for Gylfi is to now go into Premier league games and show that level of quality. I won't be counting my chickens.

 

 

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We won the game convincingly controlled it from the start to the end as we should have expected to, so to get over excited about the performances is slightly over the top they only did what what was expected of them against a very poor team, anything less would have been pretty embarrassing in my view. 
Some of the comments surrounding certain players on how well they played against opponents who never tested them in anyway shape or form, in my view are OTT, unless of course you genuinely thought we would be up against it.

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