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They've not signed to move though, just signed a deal to investigate the possibility of a move. It's a million miles away from being certain.

I'll say it again KINGS DOCK!!!!!

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Fozzie.. I reckon you're being unfair. Kings Dock fell apart because of spiralling costs - nothing the club could do afaik, they had 30m ready but the costs risen by 28m and no other partner would share the bill. EFC could not afford it and no one would offer a loan.

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So why wouldn't tesco/leahy be interested in the King's Dock? It was a prime location, would figure on the famous waterfront skyline, would remain within the city, half decent travel infrastucture, space for car parking etc. And the design was out of this world. Surely they could fit a little tesco express next-door?! Serioulsy tho, why not re-investigate that location with tesco/planet h'wood etc-you'd think those companies would much prefer a location like that. There's even the albert dock to compliment it.

 

If it was ever the number 1 choice, it should remain that way until 100% exhausted whcih I doubt it is, rather than plump for just anywhere as this kirkby site appears to be.

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Blue-tac said..........why not re-investigate that location with tesco/planet h'wood etc-you'd think those companies would much prefer a location like that.

...........

 

 

Too late Mate, already building an Indoor Arena come Concert Hall on that site, in fact its nearly finished.

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Yeah I got the ferry the other day just for the sake of it and I was shocked at how much the kings dock has changed. It looks a fantastic venue.

 

It's a shame they never put the proposed ice rink in there.

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Mark - Thats a picture of Sonny Anderson! The site is a joke ;)

 

Kenwright said it'll take 3-4 weeks for Anderson Da Silva Franca joins us. He said at the agm (apparently) that his agent let us down because he said he would have all passport malarky sorted out.

 

He's cost us £700,000 and not even played.

 

David France collection is worth £750,000 and has not been acquired. Something's amiss.

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Fozzie.. I reckon you're being unfair. Kings Dock fell apart because of spiralling costs - nothing the club could do afaik, they had 30m ready but the costs risen by 28m and no other partner would share the bill. EFC could not afford it and no one would offer a loan.

I'm far from being unfair..the truth was the CLUb didnt have the 30 mill for the project to go ahead otherwise we'd be in there now,why this project is any different than that one bewilders me.

 

the docks wont appeal to Tesco as Knowsley are offering £50m worth of land

The thing is with that they cant just give us the land..it would be a massive knockdown price though.

 

But lets recap and say this goes through (nothign at been signed of course)

 

1 year to get the deal through and get the land sorted..

 

1 year for yet another poll to be organised for the fans..though those 2 could run concurently.

 

1 year to get planning/goverment permission to build it..

 

18 mopnths 2 years to build it..

 

Minmum 5 years before we get in there or more likly 2-3 for BK to have breathing space as this simply wont get of the ground in the first place.

 

I'll say it again our big chance to move was Kings Dock we didnt have the money then (and all sorts of agencies where throwing the stuff at us) and i'm bloody sure we wont have it now.

 

In sort its yet another one of BK's pipe dreams that'll end in tears.

 

Mark my words.

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even though this is only in early stages foz, we have no idea what sort of finances are being thrown our way for this. the money we'll get for Goodison may be all we would need to contribute

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even though this is only in early stages foz, we have no idea what sort of finances are being thrown our way for this. the money we'll get for Goodison may be all we would need to contribute

Cant see that mate i really cant..whats Goodison worth at most 20-30 mill?..mainly becuase of its landlocked location it wont appeal to retial park devolpers

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we may be at the opposite end of the optimism scale, but i can see this coming off, what with the free land, Tescos involvement and Robert Earl isnt here just to help out his mate

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we may be at the opposite end of the optimism scale, but i can see this coming off, what with the free land, Tescos involvement and Robert Earl isnt here just to help out his mate

The land cant and wont be free simple as that..imagine the upraor if the council just gave it away from other companys it just woint happen..heavily discounted yes but free no

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well if tis part of a regeneration programme for the surrounding areas then it wouldn't be so impossible to give the land away to get companies like Tesco and Everton to invest.

 

even so, heavily discounted is a hell of a lot better than were getting out of liverpool council.

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I have to hand it to BK..gets everyones hopes up and all is well in evertonland..lets wait a couple of years and see how rosy it looks then ;)

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Think they do give it away, RENT FREE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

Just to encourage Companies business and rejuvenate the area....Employment, Housing and such.

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exactly licker, happens all the time with council estates and such, property being sold for £1 for the sake of regeneration. will probably besomethin like a 100year lease

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Think they do give it away, RENT FREE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

Just to encourage Companies business and rejuvenate the area....Employment, Housing and such.

Aye that could be it,but if this comes off (it wont) if we're not careful we're going to land the club in massive debt that our childrens grandkids will still be seeing paid off.

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ill be dead then, so i wont care :lol:

 

 

So might Everton Football Club

 

 

When I was reading the article on icLiverpool about the AGM this automatically jumped out at me

 

Earlier in the evening, Kenwright had been re-elected as chairman but with some opposition from shareholders.

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Earlier in the evening, Kenwright had been re-elected as chairman but with some opposition from shareholders.

 

about time he had some opposition.

 

also read that shareholders were asking for a non executive member on the board, good idea me thinks

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Someone on Kipper was saying that it wasnt even remotely like a democracy at the AGM, with BK making it clear he was the boss and everything would be done his way. We will never get him out of our club unless he dies.

And this frightens me..look at his great mate deadly doug at villa....took a frigging wrench to get that bastard out of there

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just studied the Coup of Brumaire in history today. and just thinking. why cant we do that. organise the fans to force BK out. im sure we could find a normal person on the street who is better than BK as a chairman. BK maybe an evertonian and his love for the club i respect. but he isnt a buisnessman. get rid i say

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So might Everton Football Club

When I was reading the article on icLiverpool about the AGM this automatically jumped out at me

 

Earlier in the evening, Kenwright had been re-elected as chairman but with some opposition from shareholders.

 

That worries the living daylights out of me. was the oposition strong enough to send shivers down Silly Billy's back, the man has the hide of a rhino, and anyone who wants power this much is doing it for the wrong reasons.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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BK is worse that Ellis, atleast Ellis balanced the fucking books

Well yes...that much is very true

 

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That worries the living daylights out of me. was the oposition strong enough to send shivers down Silly Billy's back, the man has the hide of a rhino, and anyone who wants power this much is doing it for the wrong reasons.

 

ATB

 

Mac

And again spot on..the man is treating Everton as his toy and frankly thats not healthy for the club

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Well yes...that much is very true

And again spot on..the man is treating Everton as his toy and frankly thats not healthy for the club

 

Aye, and there's the rub, without serious opposition that man is a danger to the long term future of OUR club.

 

I know it could be worse Fozz, but to watch him parade himself on TV with that smug grin slapped all over his dish makes me feel his own aganda is so much more important than the welfare of EFC.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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what happend to steady progress....the rs possable deal is getting to you all...and some of the things getting said about bk is sad.

Not a question of that,i see no real evidence of "steady progress" tbh all the other clubs in and around us are prgressing at the same if not more pace.

 

BK has told many untruths in the past and once again i see no evidence of change there either,once an actor always an actor.

 

And trust me this is just the start of the unrest becuase when the RS start throwing money about (i cant see they wont) and we're buying knockdown priced players then i'm sure a groundswell of fans will move against him,not that it'll make any difference becuase as i say EFC is BKs toy and he aint letting it go. :angry:

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Not a question of that,i see no real evidence of "steady progress".

 

in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

 

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we haven’t had for a long time.

 

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

 

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

 

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!

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in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

 

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we haven’t had for a long time.

 

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

 

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

 

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!

 

i look forward to fozzies reply :lol:

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in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

 

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we haven’t had for a long time.

 

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

 

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

 

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!

So your indication of progress is not fighting relegation??

 

Well that may well be the sole ambition for you but i have much higher standards obviously the club qualified once for europe..we lasted 4 games..or are so blinded that your memory may be a little short there i think,the last time we where in europe was 1995 if i remember correctly.

 

The board has a sense of direction?? what direction?? saying we're moving..2 words KINGS DOCK..heard it all before simple as that.

 

Other clubs are moving past us for the love of god look at pompey sure they'll fall by the wayside but they have backing money,its called deeds and not words.

 

I do agree though the PL has moved beyond us with the russians money and i'll put good money we'll never win it again in my lifetime,but sadly thats also down in part to the board,we we're big hitters at the inception of the PL now we're merely bit part players and thats down to succseive boards fault at not turning the club into a buisness like the mancs did.

 

Read the posts on this board the fans arent that fired up as you put it becuase billy liar has bullshitted us all and newer fans will found out his this for themselves soon enough.

 

You may prefer to stick your head in the sand and think all is well but its not Everton the grand old club of ours is nothing more than mid table fodder nowadys and it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach to say that,but you see i'm a hardend realists and prefer to live in the real world unless massive investment comes into this club and the quicker it does the better,then we'll be the new centuries version of coventry always hanging about the top ten,maybe a season or two in europe every now and again but nothing more.

 

I've resisted the urge to flame you but i've always thought of this board as a friendly place and sarky comments arent really what i would expect from someone who posts here regularly.

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No Mike, I am facing up to Fozz he may have some outrageous views but he makes sense most of the time.

 

C'mon Fozz, the more extreme the better.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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No Mike, I am facing up to Fozz he may have some outrageous views but he makes sense most of the time.

 

Wouldn't disagree with that Mac, it's good to have the full range and I bow to many on here (not least Foz) because of their close and often lifelong knowledge of the club. It's only really since being on here that I've started to understand what really makes the club and the supporters tick after years of blind loyalty from a distance. The blind loyalty will never stop, but it's nice to hear different takes on "The Truth" from all corners.

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That is a cracking post Mike, you have replied to a frivilous post in a mature and reasonable manner, I am shamed and embarresed by your maturity.

 

Yah boo sucks to you. :P

 

ATB

 

Mac

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I feel a BIG generation gap growing between Evertonians.

 

Due mostly to the mismanagemnet of this great old institution.

 

Us older guys were born in to & indoctrinated to the school of science.

 

@ best the youth / generationof today have had the Dogs of War & a 4th place finish.

 

Say No more.

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I feel a BIG generation gap growing between Evertonians.

 

Due mostly to the mismanagemnet of this great old institution.

 

Us older guys were born in to & indoctrinated to the school of science.

 

@ best the youth / generationof today have had the Dogs of War & a 4th place finish.

 

Say No more.

 

do you know what history entitles you to? NOTHING!

 

you have to earn success. and those whiners who keep complaining about the long hard slog needed to reach the top 4 are simply immature and out of touch with reality. they are like kids who want everything now. they expect the tooth fairy to come along and save us from the challenges and the reality that all mid-table clubs are now facing.

 

soccer has its ups and downs, its the nature of the game. when i started to support Everton, liverpoo were in the second division. there is no point in living in the past.

 

anyone who has the gall to complain that this club hasnt made progress in the last few seasons is either a fool, a liar or a cry baby. or more likely all three!

 

weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season.

 

the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment.

 

and no amount of rambling on about how great we used to be will get us anywhere.

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id bother responding to this, but i spent too much time on the other thread responding to your rose tinted view on how great we are and how we are slowly getting better, pretty much the same non-ambitious rubbish you post all the time.

 

nothin personal, just i expect a little more from one of Englands most successfull clubs, and im sure im not alone

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The word Soccer summed it all up for me.

 

Refuse to even acknowledge the term.

 

Could some one please ( I bunked off latin classes ) convert NSNO to "Nothing But Third rate is good enough" just for Java.

 

NSNO - Thats what out history entitles us to.

 

To @ least aspire to that term is our eternal charter.

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do you know what history entitles you to? NOTHING!

 

you have to earn success. and those whiners who keep complaining about the long hard slog needed to reach the top 4 are simply immature and out of touch with reality. they are like kids who want everything now. they expect the tooth fairy to come along and save us from the challenges and the reality that all mid-table clubs are now facing.

 

soccer has its ups and downs, its the nature of the game. when i started to support Everton, liverpoo were in the second division. there is no point in living in the past.

 

anyone who has the gall to complain that this club hasnt made progress in the last few seasons is either a fool, a liar or a cry baby. or more likely all three!

 

weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season.

 

the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment.

 

and no amount of rambling on about how great we used to be will get us anywhere.

 

 

I now know why BK is such a big arsehole..he needs to be to get people like this up it..

 

id bother responding to this, but i spent too much time on the other thread responding to your rose tinted view on how great we are and how we are slowly getting better, pretty much the same non-ambitious rubbish you post all the time.

 

nothin personal, just i expect a little more from one of Englands most successfull clubs, and im sure im not alone

Agreed

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Jav - how can you be happy with the situation we are in? It is nowhere near rosey, we have next to no money for trasnfers and have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player. I understand we have to earn our way in this league, but that is no reason to be happy to stand still. BK is a tosser who is killing our club, open your eyes and see the bigger picture. As has been said above NSNO - and we are certainly not getting the best.

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Jav - how can you be happy with the situation we are in? It is nowhere near rosey, we have next to no money for trasnfers and have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player. I understand we have to earn our way in this league, but that is no reason to be happy to stand still. BK is a tosser who is killing our club, open your eyes and see the bigger picture. As has been said above NSNO - and we are certainly not getting the best.

 

"we are not getting the best".

 

oh isnt that a shame! the world doesnt owe us a living simply because weve had a distinguished past. that sentimental crap and gets you nowhere!

how can you be happy with the situation we are in?

 

i never said i was happy with the situation we are in.

 

i said "the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment."

 

because you are unable to respond to what i ACTUALLY SAID and the points i raised you try to put words into my mouth. and your not the first to try it.

 

 

these are facts : "weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season."

 

and thats an improvement. thats an indication that we are moving in the right direction.

 

"have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player."

 

boo hoo hoo! easily said! but i notice you dont offer any solutions.

 

stop complaining about we DONT have. most clubs in the premiership dont have it either.

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i dont think you understand really - yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

 

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.

and if you think our distinguished history is sentimental crap then i think you need to consider what EFC means to you.

 

that sentimental crap means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.

i dont know you back ground mate, but my dad, my uncles, my grandad, his dad, have all watched many a great team sweat blood for this club, winning many a league and cup.

 

most premiership clubs dont have what we have if you wanna start comparing us to them.

wigan, newcastle, west ham, spurs, city, reading, middlesbrough.

they would all kill for what you consider sentimental crap.

 

do you think we sing "if you know your history" for fuck all???

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