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sorry but again people are crying for DM's head did no one see we did out play them in about the 1st 20 mins????????????

 

we should have beat them 4-0

 

but

 

you can only work with what you have

 

imagine if DM had a roman we all know he would have better players than we have now

 

sorry but we all know the financial situation he was brought into and still has

 

and i must must admit as as pissed off as everyone we got shafted today but there is one thing that sets us apart from most other teams

 

we really believe IN THE TEAM

 

yes the TEAM at the moment we don't have adriano we dont have shevcheco we dont have beckham we dont have kaka

 

BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IS Everton KNOW WHO ARE WE AND WHO ARE WE GOIN TO GET BEHIND

 

 

whether it ferguson wenger

 

i know who i'm behind and i know who i'll be singing for in the glads week in week out until he is sacked.......

 

but today all i can blame is the players he put the team out that should have beat bolton and we all know it but they didn't perform not DM

 

so sorry but shut up and blame who is really at fault the 11 that was on the pitch today and if any has a prob with DM argue it with me

 

ps i'm not DM i'm not related and i'm just pissed with people slaging him off when he puts a decent formation out and they dont perform not him

 

sorry about the rant just a bit pissed off by 2 amny of my friends include who are slagging him off

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sorry but again people are crying for DM's head did no one see we did out play them in about the 1st 20 mins????????????

 

we should have beat them 4-0

 

but  you can only work with what you have

 

 

 

but what we have is what moysey has bought and paid for. the lack of consistency is disappointing. we should be doing better than that.

 

i still think that moysey's up to the job and that we should give him time to organise his side. he has a lot of new signings to integrate into a team but thats his job.

 

i hope he can do it.

 

ether way i reckon he's got until the end of january to get us into the middle of the table.

 

if we are still in the same position then, well, i think the board will have to start thinking about his future. B)

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i still have faith in the team...

 

but that 4-0 smashing we had yesterday should have not happened...

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sorry but no

 

look at the team and tell me how many he bought himself from the squad he had 2 field????????????

 

Valente, Arteta, Cahill, Neville, Davies, Beattie, 6 thats half a team!

 

Gave Wier, Hibbo, McFadden, Osman (sub) new contracts when we had money to spend. That was DM's team you saw yesterday, the whole clube needs to do better and a managers job is to manage whatever situation arises.

 

I like DM but why did he spend 5 million on a defender and then not have the balls to play him? Why is our squad fucked when they could run all day last year? Why do their heads drop when they go a goal down when last year they picked themselves up and fought back? Why could we score goals last year and this year we cant? surely all of these things fall in the managers job description?

 

I am finding it hard to justify why he has my support anymore, he does have it but only because he is managing my club not because i think he deserves it!

 

I'm sorry David Moyes but you need to prove to me in january that u know what we need and what we dont need. Some good business needs to be done over the next month to try and shake things up we need a goal machine, a tough midfielder and if koldrup is so shit then a good centre half!

 

Good luck Everton it gona be an uphill struggle!

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I have always said i can forgive players for a lack of skill, cos we dont have mega millions like some other clubs. But what i wont forgive is a complete lack of effort, passion, commitment, the desire to win, all the things that make up for a lack of skill.

 

At the first sign of anything going against them they give up, instead of rolling their sleeves up and giving a bit more effort, It showed at West Brom where they collapsed to an embarrasing 4-0 thrashing, It showed again yesterday with another embarrasing 4-0 hammering........Why.?

 

Except Hibbert & Weir every player in that team is a DM buy, loan, or whatever, so he must be held responsible for the side he turns out.

Looking at the team man for man i cannot believe that players like hibbo, yobo, neville, beattie, osman, kilbane, would not put in the effort we know they are capable of, so i have come to the conlusion that in my opinion they have lost the respect for the Manager.

Maybe it could be the team selection, it could be how they are being told to play, it could be that they dont get on behind the scenes, and may have fallen out, I'm not sure.

But what i can see is that teamwork is absent, passion, guts and determination, is not something that is given, it has to be fought for, i am very sad to have to say that the squad we have at the Club this season is showing no Desire to fight.

 

It can only be a matter of time before the Boardroom also lose respect for him, yesterday he looked like he didnt have a clue what to do, or how to change things.

 

Can you honestly see them giving him any more money to spend....???

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The simple truth is this..for all the possesion we had it was the 87 th minute till thier keeper had to make a save.

 

DM brought this on himself,the squad under his guidence has been run into the ground,(no doubt under orders from fuckwit bill and his 5 year plan man),and its coming home to roost now.

 

The squad is ok,nothing more,nothing less,but the sheer lack of depth is staggering,the tealady takes a knock and the whole team falls apart,its time for a change,surely..

 

What point is there giving DM more cash (yeah right,thats going to happen),and then having a new man come in later on in the season?

 

Just like 4 years ago when smith got the bullet,and DM was left with his team.

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no way. we should not get rid of moyes. who is good enough to replace him. or the question should be who is good enough to replace him and who wil want to come to us.

 

 

get behind the team.

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no way. we should not get rid of moyes. who is good enough to replace him. or the question should be who is good enough to replace him and who wil want to come to us.

get behind the team.

 

Agreed. This is the same team who got a draw at Old Trafford while seriously under strength (could have won), took points off Chelski, and the manager who was voted manager of the season two years out of the last three by his peers. I think the players are still living on last year, they think they can beat Bolton, West Brom, Pompey and the rest just by turning up. They need to play every game like they're playing one of the "Big Three". There is no doubt in my mind that this is a top eight team, unfortunately they seem to believe they can achieve that without any effort.

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sorry but no

 

look at the team and tell me how many he bought himself from the squad he had 2 field????????????

 

wright

yobo

valente

arteta

cahill

neville

davies

beattie

mcfadded

 

bench;

kilbane

kroldrup

turner

bent

 

so ferguson weir and hibbo were the only ones who werent moyes signings

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while i don't want to see moyes leave yet.

 

I too have one major concern

 

and that is how can we play with such differing amounts of motivation from one game to the next. in one game the whole team, including players like weir and kilbane will play like their possesed. they'll give it everything for the club like they really care. and on another day they'll play like they don't give a shit. i've never seen any other club swing quite so far from one way to the other in a matter of days but we do it week in week out.

 

what is it that moyes gets into them before one of those top performances that isn't happening when they just don't seem to give a shit. it's not quality, it's not his signings and it's not the tactics but fuck i'd love to know what it is.

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If we were to sack Moyes, he would walk into a decent job tomorrow.

 

He is a good manager, and our club has gone forward under him, (we got 4th place last year, on what was deemed the weakest squad in the Premiership). Voted Manager of the year if I recall.

 

When Moyes arrived at the club we were perpetual relegation battlers (pretty much every year)

 

OK those of you who talk about consistency or lack of it at the club or over the last few season - yes it is a bit yoyo. But getting Everton back to a consistent top 10 ten finisher is not an easy task.

 

But in three full season, (after come to the club with the likes of gazza and Ginola as players), Moyes has given us our best and third best finishes in the Prem. And all that is without 'The Rooney Money'.

 

OK within that was our a season with the lowest points total ever (but that is modern day football - gone are the days of 40points plus needed to stay up)

 

but you average it all out and our club has done well under Moyes, when you consider he had probabley the oldest and poorest squads when he came to the club and only peanuts to bring player in.

 

This season Moyes has HAD some decent money and is STARTING to build a squad. I think he deserves at least all this season and next season to see what he can do with our team.

 

Yes, there will be a few dud buys along the way -but I think Moyes is doing well considering pretty much the whole of the squad has needed upgrading.

 

Anybody, who is call for Moyes head - Please tell me who you execpt to come instead -

 

Considering what others have managed at the helm since the mid eighties, Moyes has earnt a couple more seasons from me to try and get that consistency

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No dont agree Rob,unless we can start doing our rebuilding in the coca cola league,because thats where we're heading at the moment.

 

He wont get much more money to spend,(rooneys cash all gone now),maybe a couple of mill if he's lucky,but who would want to come into the club given the state of it at the moment?

 

I said in another post DM has presided over a trend of dismantling a squad,that yes did need rebuilding,but to me at least the whole idea of rebuilding is to bring players in to replace the ones shown the door,the way we go about our buiness in that department is laid right at the door of BK,but DM seems unwilling to stand up and say something about it.

 

DM may or may not be a good manager,he's done nothing really at Everton the club as a whole have stood still and i really think now is the time to look elsewhere and hope we can pick one out of the hat.

 

Its allright saying we did well last season,but ive said it all year all results for the year 2005 have been shambolic to say the least,its sheer relegation form and we've got to open our eyes now and see that we're in the shit big time.

 

The attack has scored 9 goals all season..disgraceful.

 

The defence is a joke.

 

The signing have been patchy so far(koldrup is still the mystery man).

 

Its time for a change.

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I may be wrong on one or two of the transfer fees, but here goes......

 

 

wright......£3m

yobo........£4m

valente.....£2m

arteta.......£2m

cahill........£2m

neville......£3.5m

davies......£4.5m

beattie.....£6m

mcfadd....£1m

 

bench;

kilbane.....£1m

kroldrup....£5m

turner....... ?

bent..........£450.000

ferrari....... ?

 

so ferguson weir and hibbo were the only ones who werent moyes signings

 

About £35 million or so, thats without some others who have been and gone in the four years.

 

How much has PAUL JEWELL, BIG SAM, or ALAN CURBISHLEY spent...? most of their players are over the hill loan players,or young hungry players, its not all about spending money its about getting players who blend as a team, and play to the best of their ability.

 

Sadly our Manager cant seem to do that very well. :D

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I may be wrong on one or two of the transfer fees, but here goes......

wright......£3m

yobo........£4m

valente.....£2m

arteta.......£2m

cahill........£2m

neville......£3.5m

davies......£4.5m

beattie.....£6m

mcfadd....£1m

 

bench;

kilbane.....£1m

kroldrup....£5m

turner....... ?

bent..........£450.000

ferrari.......  ?

 

so ferguson weir and hibbo were the only ones who werent moyes signings

 

About £35 million or so, thats without some others who have been and gone in the four years.

 

How much has PAUL JEWELL,  BIG SAM, or ALAN CURBISHLEY spent...? most of their players are over the hill loan players,or young hungry players, its not all about spending money its  about getting players who blend as a team, and  play to the best of their ability.

 

Sadly our Manager cant seem to do that very well.  :D

 

Quoted for truth

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rob my problem with consistancy isn't consistant quality performances of consistant winning.

 

It's consistant passion to play for your club. our players sometimes play with the passion of the fans in the stands, while at other times they play like they've been picked out of the Kop and told to don the blue shirt and go and play at Goodison.

 

I can handle watching us have a bad game and losing to the likes of Bolton isn't a poor show for us but it's the passion and commitment that's lacking and that's whats taking us down. and really that's got to come from the manager.

 

Moyes is the kind of manager that brings that out of players but it doesn't seem to be happening week in week out this year.

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Ok then other than Burley..Whom would SERIOUSLY & currently be available & get able as a replacement if it was to Happen?...

 

( Please no phil Scolari & Matrin Oneil tpe replies - Lets be realistic now)

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Saturday was 2 teams,not disimilar to each other..passionate managers,both defenders.

 

One team played as a team,one didnt,

 

One team had a work ethic,one didnt,

 

One team has spent very little,one team has spent a lot in the last 12 months,

 

One team is still in europe,one isnt,

 

Do you see where i'm going with this?

 

Bolton showed us up on saturday,yes they're not nice to watch,but they defend from the front and play as a team,no billy big balls in thier team.

 

Can you honestly see big sam letting BT go round with man tits??afetr paying 6 mill for him,no i cant either.

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Ok then other than Burley..Whom would SERIOUSLY & currently be available & get able as a replacement if it was to Happen?...

 

( Please no phil Scolari & Matrin Oneil tpe replies - Lets be realistic now)

................

 

Walter Smith....?

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Peter Reid

 

George Graham,

 

 

Not for me thanks - I would much rather give Moyes the chance he DESERVES to mould the players he has now bought in to a solid team over the next 18 months

 

Believe it or not I don't think we are a long way from having a decent consistent team, we have played some decent football this season, better than last season in many respect. (even when we have lost some of those games).

 

We have collapsed in defence a couple of time and are a little to shy upfront.

 

But I still think it is largely down to the significant influx of players we had in a single hit, which has been compounded by our injury list and hence the changes in starting line up we have had.

 

Moyes has had this squad together for less than 5 month, that is nothing, timewise.

 

I just think he need a FAIR crack at the whip.

 

We talk about Allerdice, Curbishley and Jewell, but they have been at the clubs a fair while now and have been able to slowly build there teams in to well oiled machines, for want of a better term.

 

I just think Everton would be foolish to allow a manager to spend almost £20M and give him less than 6 months to get a team with so many new faces firing on all cylinders.

 

We will not go down this season - from what I have seen so far, we ARE a better team than our position indicates. Lets hope our luck does even itself out (we have had two perfectly good goals disallowed over the last two games - which have resulted in the difference between 4 point and 0 points in my opinion)

 

A very dodgy 5 minutes against Bolton does not make Moyes a bad manager.

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I think the main thing about DM is that he doesn't know how to change things if they are going wrong.

 

We could all see from the West Ham game that Weir should not be in the team. He won't change when we are winning which is understandable, however doesn't like doing it when we are winning.

 

How many times this season have we come from behind to win a game or get a point????? Don't think we have once. Up until the West ham game I beleive that every game we had taken the lead against we went on to win and that was the same last season.

 

The worrying thing is he doesn't seem to motivate the players.

 

As a manager here is what he should do.

 

1) drop Weir and bring in Per.

2) Neville to be captain

3) GO BACK TO BASICS. We are not the best team in the league by a long way but we can play football sometimes. We had loads of play on saturday but didn't turn it into anything. No cutting edge. Get the ball out to the wings and cross the ball in. If you put in 10 crosses you are bund to get at least one goal.

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DM has had how long now??

 

4 years or so,how much longer??

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All this talk of Allardyce and Curbishley is bollocks, you watch after Christmas Charlton will have thier annual second half of the season decline and Bolton havent got the class to stay near the top, theyll both win fuc all just like we will.

The premier league is a tough league, even more so it seems this season as more than one or two teams outside the top three are are firing on all cylinders and that doesnt make it easy for the rest of us as it only leaves 4 or 5 in mid table to scrap it out.

We missed Van Der Meyde for his creativity and pressure relieving runs and hopefully, HOPEFULLY we will be able to bring in a young striker or two with class to give the team confidence again coz like the rest of us they dont believe in them.

God willing we can get rid of the curse that is Wright too! OK it may not be his fault all the time but jeezus that guys JINXED!!

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Why would you'se even think of saying that.David Moyes has been there for 2 years is it and he hasn't won anything but still he has got you in the champions league above my team liverpool which is a great achievment.So you'se can't be serious.That is awful.We got beat by Chelsea 4-1 but we was still confident and kept getting back behind the club and we kept winning

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Why would you'se even think of saying that.David Moyes has been there for 2 years is it and he hasn't won anything but still he has got you in the champions league above my team liverpool which is a great achievment.So you'se can't be serious.That is awful.We got beat by Chelsea 4-1 but we was still confident and kept getting back behind the club and we kept winning

 

Comment not required! You need to understand the build up to these feelings we have all stood through everything shoulder to shoulder with our man and now all we expect is what we deserve from our manager!

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Alrite i understand were your'e cominng from but still he has done great for your'e team last year you's were 4th now you'se are last or 2nd to.But still i would let run out the year and see ow he goes if yous'e get relegated then you can start sayinng that

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Am I being daft here or what. It's the managers job to get the team to play football so that they have opportunities to score and a system to stop the other lot. In the game against Bolton we had 67% posession and ten odd corners to none. Yesterday we had 53% posession..nine corners to (I think) four and as many goal attempts as Villa. But somehow, totally against what you would think possible or plausable from the stats we lose both games 4-0. Who's that down to? Short of coming on the pitch and tucking the ball away in the corner what is DM supposed to do? Everything was great again two and a half games ago but he's been let down by the players from the moment David Weir put the ball past Teflon, fuck knows why..so I'm not on the Moyes out bandwagon yet (and I hope to fuck I never have to climb on it).

 

(just noticed I've become Kevin Sheedy...do you think he's worth a short term contract in the window?)

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I'm with your Mikeo. Unfortunately we have been in this possition too many times, we all know we need a finisher, we scowered the would for one in the summer. We are not brilliant, but I really do think we need a big slice of luck. Fooking Baros hand ball changes the game, then we come out in the second half and get a sucker punch

 

fooking Everton, no wonder I'm going bald

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Blaming the handball is just disguising a simple truth,we have our own finisher in BT,what a buy he was.

 

The other 3 goals where terrible,the defence was a shambles and to blame our ills on a handball is a wee bit silly.

 

DM has had his chance,4 years come march and fankly it's long enough,i'm not one to jump on any bandwagon against the manager,but when all is said and done i think he's had long enough now.

 

At southampton they get rid of managers for fun,we to BK's credit have given him time to get things right,some of his signings have been terrible,BT,teflon,davies,mcfadden,all not the standard to play for our great club,but they cost a lot of cash,now granted DM has had to contend with having the sale of the best young player in the country,and for peanuts as well,but he's had his cash to spend and he's not used it wisely.

 

The is right now to say thanks DM but we must move forward and try and get a new manager before the end of january and try to sort this mess out,because i dont think DM can.

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Let's get real here fella's.

It's DM's job to get us results. The methods and players he uses are up to him. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I manage people. If my team doesn't perform, it's my arse that gets kicked!

You can only make excuses so many times.

I would rather see some " non pretty" players putting the effort in for us, the people who pay their big wages. I'd love to see DM have the balls to make a big point of this shambles that is Everton at the moment.

Carpet a few of these Prima Donnas and let 'em know they're not doing enough, and they're dropped. Make them feel like shite (as we do all too often) and get some of Holden's boys involved.

These reserve guys will show you the effort.

Desparate to make their name and break through.

Teach the effortless ponces in that side that complacency won't be tolerated any more.

I'd have half of them in tomorrow! Against The Shite!

it's not as if we'll lose "respect". We haven't fookin got any at the mo!

So, come on Moyes, get some bollocks and TRY and sort it out.

If not, you'll be out of a job next week!

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I think calling for Moyes head now is still as bit premature.

 

Yes, he made some mistakes in the summer with perhaps the biggest being letting Stubbs go in favour of a new contract to Weir and not resigning Michael Ball instead of buying Nuno Valente.

 

He should have been able to see what was obvious - that Stubbs even with a lack of pace was a real captain, was a good organiser at the back and had a strong association with the fans and Ball was always a local lad with proven Premiership quality and experience - whereas Weir was finished and Nuno Valente unproven (He'll never be able to play in the Premiership).

 

Also he has really been badly disrupted by the fact that Gravesen and Carsley are no longer either at the club or are injured. Tommy's loss really has left us with little creativity and command of the centre of the park and Carsley was one of our best players in protecting the defence last year.

 

But in general the signings of Arteta, Martyn, Yobo, Van Der Meyde and Neville are good signings. I think Kroldrup and Beattie will come good - Beattie needs the right partner and service (He has been much improved when VDM has played). If we could add a pacey striker to play alongside him - AJ is the best option - then he will be ok. Kroldrup just needs time to get used to playing with Yobo and the rest of the back four.

 

Davies needs to up his game. He would be better if he is playing in the middle with someone stronger either alongside him or with another player covering the back four. Cahill is really off his game at the moment and too much is on Arteta as the only creative player. Van Der Meyde creates a threat for other teams and we need him back quickly - so far he has been ok but when he hits form and fitness, he'll offer Beattie more chances.

 

At the moment, Moyes needs to revert to 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-3-1-1 with some cover for the defence.

 

My team for tomorrow night with Carsely unavailable would look like this :

 

Martyn

 

Hibbert Yobo Kroldrup Ferrari

 

Neville

 

Arteta Cahill Davies

 

McFadden

 

Beattie

 

I think we need some more cover for the back four and Neville is the best bet for this and it's about time Ferrari was given his chance at Left Back - for the earlier games this season he looked ok and could be a good buy, given a chance.

 

This is my biggest complaint with Moyes - he buys Kroldrup and Ferrari and then doesn't get them into the team quickly to bed in.

 

He has stuck with Weir too long when it was obvious that his lack of pace was a problem for how high the defence can defend up the pitch, the wins over Boro and Newcastle were a bit of a defensive smokescreen and Moyes should have seen this.

 

In both wins and the win at Blackburn, Nuno Valente was injured. It was obvious that he wasn't up to the job and we should cut our losses on this signing quickly. He isn't settledeither - sell him in January !!

 

Finally in the game yesterday, Moyes can't do anything about Yobo falling asleep when he should have tracked Angel behing Kroldrup for the 3rd goal, he can't do anything about Cahill not picking up Delaney's run for the 2nd goal (Hibbo was at fault) and he can't do anything about the fact that Hibbert didn't follow Baros' run from midfield for the 4th goal. All 3 of these goals could easily have been prevented by basic common sense and effort by the players in question. I would be suggesting that the players need to take a serious look at themselves for these goals.

 

Just to add - on a very reliable source - Newell has already been approached with some of his coaching team and if results don't pick up over Christmas then a change will be made in early January.

 

Jason

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Finally in the game yesterday, Moyes can't do anything about Yobo falling asleep when he should have tracked Angel behing Kroldrup for the 3rd goal, he can't do anything about Cahill not picking up Delaney's run for the 2nd goal (Hibbo was at fault) and he can't do anything about the fact that Hibbert didn't follow Baros' run from midfield for the 4th goal.  All 3 of these goals could easily have been prevented by basic common sense and effort by the players in question.  I would be suggesting that the players need to take a serious look at themselves for these goals.

 

 

Jason

 

I disagree here, he sets the players mental state before the game and getting the players to perform is his job. Ive been a staunch Moyes fan in the past but these embarrassments show somewhere hes going wrong and there is no sign of improvement.

 

As for Newell, he hasnt enough experience to manage a club our size we need a tough and respected experienced man, even if its just to avoid relegation.

Then once the inevitable management shuffle after/ before the world cup we will have better options, Gus Hiddink is the man for me. Top notch motivator and good tactician.

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Taxi for Moyes?

More like a fuckin' mini bus!

Take most of that dross with him please.

Talentless buch of tossers!

How dare they subject us to more of this.

Carry the can Moyes, and FUCK OFF!

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Taxi for Moyes?

More like a fuckin' mini bus!

Take most of that dross with him please.

Talentless buch of tossers!

How dare they subject us to more of this.

Carry the can Moyes, and FUCK OFF!

Dont beat around the bush steve..say what you mean :angry:

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Things are bad at the mo, but honestly, are there any candidates for the job and would it make and difference

 

(NOBODY MENTION KENDAL REID GRAHAM wise or basset PLEASE)

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Look at the top sides' managers. They're all foreign!

Mourino, Benitez, Wenger, Jol, (even Ferguson speaks a different language).

Luxemburgo was shit enough for Madrid.

He could be just as shit for us!

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Fuckin hell !!

 

Why can't Moyes see that Nuno Valente and Weir are hopeless !!

 

Until Moyes gets a settled back four with Kroldrup and Ferrari in place, we will have big problems. All this chopping and changing is making our defense crap.

 

Poll was terrible last night though - Goal when ball didn't cross the line and then Beattie trying to break the net with 5 mins to go - could have been a different scoreline even if we were 2nd best on the night !!

 

Jason

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Taxi for Moyes?

More like a fuckin' mini bus!

Take most of that dross with him please.

Talentless buch of tossers!

How dare they subject us to more of this.

Carry the can Moyes, and FUCK OFF!

I think everyone is being a bit harsh ! It just goes to show how well moyes done finishing 4th last year, Finishing 4th last season was all down to moyes nack of getting the best out of average players, Everton are now suffering from what newcastle went through last season after playing out of there skin all season and finishing 4th, Only to throw it all away by not qualifying for the CL, It was and still is a massive blow for the club and fans, The players and club are suffering from a hangover from last season, Moyes is a v.good manager but he needs backing fron the board ! If anyone deserves some stick Bill Kenwright should carry the can, I'm sure if I was as bad at my job as Kenwright is at his I'd be on the dole by now ! :lol:

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I think everyone is being a bit harsh ! It just goes to show how well moyes done finishing 4th last year, Finishing 4th last season was all down to moyes nack of getting the best out of average players, Everton are now suffering from what newcastle went through last season after playing out of there skin all season and finishing 4th, Only to throw it all away by not qualifying for the CL, It was and still is a massive blow for the club and fans, The players and club are suffering from a hangover from last season, Moyes is a v.good manager but he needs backing fron the board ! If anyone deserves some stick Bill Kenwright should carry the can, I'm sure if I was as bad at my job as Kenwright is at his I'd be on the dole by now !  :lol:

I agree over Kenwright,but come on are we forgetting the season before last??

 

We struggled like hell to avoid the drop,and DM was in charge then was he not?,the truth is we've had 4 great months at the start of last season that carried us through (more or less) to 4th spot.

 

I myself put this down to the rooney factor,and given the summer we had it was a good response from the players,but lets be fair,DM "lucked" into the 4-5-1 formation,nobody else was playing it at the time,and thus we became difficult to beat,now everyman and his dog plays (more or less) the same way,and given we have no structure to the team we're getting ripped apart everytime we play.

 

DM has spent 25 mill or so,how much more do we give him? another 25 mill? to bring in more "superstars"?no thanks,its time for a change.

 

As for his replacement i would team peter reid with kevin campbell,with campbell looking to be boss next season,or failing that george graham,like him or not,he has a track record at sorting clubs out..arsenal,leeds spurs..his record speaks for itself,thinking about it when was the perinaial underacherivers spurs last trpghy? oh yes when graham was in the job.

 

The last thing we need is a foriegn manager coming in,we need someone who knows the game,and can try to help us steer clear of relegation,becuas emake no doubt about it,we're in a relegation battle now.

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Although our next match against Sunderland is crunch time, you have to look at his whole time at Everton. Not just this season, but last season, and two seasons before that. I don't see a new manager turning things around just like that for this season.

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Although our next match against Sunderland is crunch time, you have to look at his whole time at Everton.  Not just this season, but last season, and two seasons before that.  I don't see a new manager turning things around just like that for this season.

I've said many times mate that the club under DM has stood still

 

I may be wrong of course :lol:

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To turn this club around now Needs major surgery.

 

At the present time the club continually relapses into dangerous periods, and if it is allowed to continue, may not recover before it slips into total obscurity.

 

The large growth that is sitting in the boardroom needs to be removed, along with any lesser growths besides the chairmans seat, who are also damaging to our health and recovery.

 

Any minor problems can come good again after a six month rehabilitation course, and we can be gradually nursed back into a healthier position.

 

But we need help from outside forces, with the finances and intelligence to return our club into a "Feeling good and happy" situation, and to bring us back some stability.

 

PS....AIMED AT BK...PLEASE......Dont leave it too late till there is no way back, if you are a true evertonian like you claim to be, save the club and fuck your job, get someone else in who can run a football club properly.

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I've stayed away form the forum for a while cos i knew i would be depressed with what i read but i never thought it would be this bad. I am a Moyes supporter but i'm not going to over enthuse about him at this moment in time because judging by the recent performances the players are not behind him and the writing may be on the wall. It won't be Kenwright making that decision cos we all know he has a great relationship with Davie and as per usual with Bill he will wait for Moyes to stand up and make the statement himself. In the year 2005 we have only gained 38 points which is simply not good enough and Moysie knows that. This is a man who has won the manager of the year award 2 years out of 3 which is remarkable considering the men he beat and is still highly regarded as one of the top managers in the prem outside the blue half of the city.

 

To the people or person who says the club has stood still under Moyes needs to have a fucking word with himself and remember what we had before Moyes was here and remind himself that we have had the 2 of the most exciting and enjoyable seasons of the last 10 years. It kills me to hear how disrespectful and what little they remember, they are dismissing what moyes has done last year and that he deserves at least another year and a half to get it right.

 

To list old twats and no-marks like Graham, Basset and Reid to replace Davie is laughable and shameful. We are all passionate Evertonians and that means more than any outsider knows but we have got to be realistic, last year has hightened everybodys expectations when probably we were not ready and we are a victim of our own sucsess.

 

I suspect Davie is hurting just as much as the rest of us and he knows like us it could have been so much different.

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Hi guys im a liverpool fan and was just interested to see what your views all are. I was shocked that so many of you are calling for david moyes' head, even though you saw last season the heights he can propell you too.

In some ways, you over-achieved last season (lets not mention beating the BEST team in merseyside), but surely this made you see that over the next few seasons, moyes can take you there again, and this time keep you there. You went from relegation battlers and a team that would have been happy just to stay in the premiership, to fourth in the league, and staring champions league football in the face. The expectations have risen so highly, that moyes has to repeat one of the most glorious seasons Everton has had in years.

As for the derby, you were playing against a team high in confidence, with a frame of mind that they could beat anybody. Everton battled, and showed plenty of fight, so you should take heart from a gutsy performance (and a james beattie goal!), rather than being critical of the management.

Loyal red

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well its the first time in a while that we scored twice (well one coz of a stupid decison) against you for a while. and the updates i heard on radio city we had our fair share of oppertunities. but once again we dont have the firepower in front of goal.

 

fair play to you guys though you won. and outplayed us.

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Understand how you feel Trev, but no man or group of men is bigger than the club

over the years i have had many dissapointments.

 

Who would have thought we could sell Alan Ball, not yet in his prime and a Goodison legend for five years after his world cup exploits, getting rid of Alex Young was another shock to my system, yet the sixteen year old boy who replaced him became another legend, Joe Royle.

so you see what i'm saying, the club carries on.

 

Onto the managers and its the same thing, Kendall leaves after 4 of the greatest years in the clubs history. Many more too numerous to mention.

But since the eighties how many managers have been givin as long as DM, with little or no improvement. ??? 3 years seems to be about the average, and those managers didnt get money thrown at them like Davey has, the squad are playing worse today, than any squad he has had in his 4 years here

 

There is feeling amongst some that we have too good a squad to go down, well dont you believe it...... Ferdinand, Lampard, Carrick, Cole, Kanoute, Defoe, all excellent players managed to go down with West Ham.

 

If the Manager cannot inspire you to play with Pride, Confidence, and commitment, he is not doing his job right, the players look as if they dont want to play for him, and that suggests to me that somebody else should be brought in.

 

A new broom sweeps clean, lets start afresh for the new year.

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I've stayed away form the forum for a while cos i knew i would be depressed with what i read but i never thought it would be this bad. I am a Moyes supporter but i'm not going to over enthuse about him at this moment in time because judging by the recent performances the players are not behind him and the writing may be on the wall. It won't be Kenwright making that decision cos we all know he has a great relationship with Davie and as per usual with Bill he will wait for Moyes to stand up and make the statement himself. In the year 2005 we have only gained 38 points which is simply not good enough and Moysie knows that. This is a man who has won the manager of the year award 2 years out of 3 which is remarkable considering the men he beat and is still highly regarded as one of the top managers in the prem outside the blue half of the city.

 

To the people or person who says the club has stood still under Moyes needs to have a fucking word with himself and remember what we had before Moyes was here and remind himself that we have had the 2 of the most exciting and enjoyable seasons of the last 10 years. It kills me to hear how disrespectful and what little they remember, they are dismissing what moyes has done last year and that he deserves at least another year and a half to get it right.

 

To list old twats and no-marks like Graham, Basset and Reid to replace Davie is laughable and shameful. We are all passionate Evertonians and that means more than any outsider knows but we have got to be realistic, last year has hightened everybodys expectations when probably we were not ready and we are a victim of our own sucsess.

 

I suspect Davie is hurting just as much as the rest of us and he knows like us it could have been so much different.

 

 

Can you honestly say 9 goals in the season so far is good enough??

 

Can you honestly say 14 wins in all comptions is good enough?

 

Can you honestly say DM has made good signings?

 

Can you honestly say the club hasnt stood still??

 

I can see it has,you may prefer to live in la-la land with blue tinted glasses on,but the only way the club is heading is down,and frankly that means relegation,we cant score,defend,have no attacking options,but no according to you everything is ok :) .

 

I suspect i'm a bit older than you and can remember the days of yore when things where a bit better than what they are now,and if you think that this is good enough for Everton than maybe its time to give up on the club altogether.

 

The squad is'nt good enough,simple as that,i have been saying it most of the season,and its more than a possiblilty that we can get relegated,what will happen than?

 

Administration?bankrupcy?you may scoff but this is a realistic possiblity if things are left unheeded.

 

I have said before,a manager is an employee,nothing more,nothing less,if you where doing your job as badly as DM is at the moment wouyld you not expect the sack??i know i would.

 

As Toffeelicker said,the club goes on,no man whoever it is is bigger than the club.

 

There is feeling amongst some that we have too good a squad to go down, well dont you believe it...... Ferdinand, Lampard, Carrick, Cole, Kanoute, Defoe, all excellent players managed to go down with West Ham.

 

Heed these words,we're in trouble and if we cant see it then yes we're fucked big style.

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I suspect i'm a bit older than you and can remember the days of yore when things where a bit better than what they are now

 

I'm a bit older too Foz and I can remember things being better..but I can also remember things being a whole lot worse....

 

"Some of the fans demanded his sacking after some poor performances, but club chairman Philip Carter backed Kendall. Then, like a gift from the heaven, during a League Cup fifth round match against Oxford while being 0-1 down, Everton got a lucky equaliser scored by Adrian Heath. The bad back-pass from an Oxford defender that led to the goal is probably the single most important pass in Everton's history. This match has generally been thought of as the turning point, and the replay was won 4-1." (Stolen from ToffeeWeb)

 

The calls for Kendalls head were much louder and more unpleasant than what's happening today I think..or is my memory playing tricks. Where would we be now if he'd been sacked?

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Aye it could have been a lot different but then again the stakes where not as big back then..

 

Money talks,something we havent got a lot of.

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People keep saying the manager must go, but give us a reasonable and sensible alternative.

 

Unfortuantly, loyalty is a comodity in very short supply in the modern and fickle world. Im not a blind sheep, I know we are shit, but I think there a lot of reasons, from having fook all money for the previous seasons he has been in charge and board room shenanigans. I think he has been OK, in two season we have been in the top ten. Some people will scoff at that and say its not good enough, but it all I have had to cheer about in 10 years

 

We need to get through this bad patch and move forward WITH David Moyes

 

Give me a better alternative

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