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Look at it this way...last time round it was amusing when refs couldn't tell the difference between Mad Dog & Cars.

 

Now we've got the 3 of them with AJ so it should be a right hoot. The 2 signings tomorrow are then Phil & Grant!

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Well there is a surprise. Nice to see Gravesen back. He is exactly the type of player that we have been looking for providing he hits the form he was showing when he left. IMO Moyes is just building options into the squad for Europe, a lesson learnt hard last time out when very few were brought in. I know he is not the future and I'm sure that is not the intention. Unless he is blinding this season, I doubt very much if he will sign after the loan has finished. I would like to think that Moyes is still looking at a long term solution, but this may give him some breathing space so as not to be pressured into a panic buy, and we may have to wait until January before we see more new faces. I guess we will we know by tomorrow. Would still like Appiah, if that was ever serious speculation, but it may not be possible to put a deal together in time. He would definitely be worth the wait if need be.

 

Nice to see you back Tommy! Do us proud!!!!!

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I'm reletively happy tbh. Squad player and nothing more really. I don't like the injustice that Cars is getting here to be honest. He's vry good at protecting the back 4. IMO anyway!!

 

Grav is good at riling the fans up anyway!

 

Toffees 4 ever whatever may be.

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No I wouldn't, and I dislike Carsley so that says a lot. Hopefully Jags will take Carsley's place anyway, that's what any sane manager will do. But then again Moyes did just bring back Gravesen so you never know.

 

I've been reading this forum for months and recently I've become embarrassed by some of the posts on here. I mean, Romey - your posts on Gravesen are ridiculous. He was brilliant for us before he left, ok he may not have brilliant the whole time he was here but as Walter Smith didn't have a clue, and constantly played him out of position then that was no surprise. Once Moyes found what Gravesen was good at, he was one of the best players in the league. He is consistently superb for Denmark, and did a lot more for us then Wayne Rooney (who's only contribution was a good goal against Arsenal and getting us lots of money). Steve Bruce said Gravesen was our most important player (ahead of the likes of Rooney) and Real Madrid bought him, I mean - which other player in recent memory would Real Madrid even have LOOKED at, never mind bought? The Daily Mail had him down as the best player in the league (ahead of Henry, Gerrard etc) the season he left. When was the last time yuo saw an Everton player split a defence? Then think back to Jeffers running onto Gravesens through balls. I mean, Johnson hasn't been fed a decent pass all season. We all saw the Blackburn match, yes Neville and Carsley work hard, but they have no idea how to pass, how to create space - Gravesen may be a headless chicken on occasion, but sometimes it works. It also is infectious and brings energy to the team and he can dominate a match. His passing range is exceptional, he has vision, genuine skill and we'll have someone in midfield who will be able to get the ball to Arteta. No one knows if Gravesen is past it, he is NOT a defensive midfielder (which is what RM bought him for) and who knows what happened in Scotland. He may turn out to be a flop, but he's only on loan so what difference does it make? Fernandez screwed us over and left Moyes with no time, give him some credit for at least trying to bolster the team. To suggest that Neville and Carsley should play ahead of someone as talented as Gravesen is quite frankly insulting. Why don't Everton fans quit moaning about EVERYTHING and actually get behind Moyes (the best thing about the club in decades) and support his judgement. Gravesen has ability and if he has the ability that he had before he left then he'd be the second name on my teamsheet just behind Arteta (oh and maybe Yobo/Lescott and Howard!!!).

 

Nice one Tommy, good to have you back and I for one have a huge smile on my face as you're a one of a kind. C'MANNNNNNNN!

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I hear what your saying but that was 5 years ago. I my be wrong and he's still the man he was but I am keeping an open mind, happy?

 

Regarding Moyes always supported him. Can you imagine him leaving? Jesus Christ! I see him being here like Fergie tbh - for the long haul. The mistakes he's made will be ironed out with experience.

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I've been reading this forum for months and recently I've become embarrassed by some of the posts on here. I mean, Romey - your posts on Gravesen are ridiculous. He was brilliant for us before he left, ok he may not have brilliant the whole time he was here but as Walter Smith didn't have a clue, and constantly played him out of position then that was no surprise. Once Moyes found what Gravesen was good at, he was one of the best players in the league. He is consistently superb for Denmark, and did a lot more for us then Wayne Rooney (who's only contribution was a good goal against Arsenal and getting us lots of money). Steve Bruce said Gravesen was our most important player (ahead of the likes of Rooney) and Real Madrid bought him, I mean - which other player in recent memory would Real Madrid even have LOOKED at, never mind bought? The Daily Mail had him down as the best player in the league (ahead of Henry, Gerrard etc) the season he left. When was the last time yuo saw an Everton player split a defence? Then think back to Jeffers running onto Gravesens through balls. I mean, Johnson hasn't been fed a decent pass all season. We all saw the Blackburn match, yes Neville and Carsley work hard, but they have no idea how to pass, how to create space - Gravesen may be a headless chicken on occasion, but sometimes it works. It also is infectious and brings energy to the team and he can dominate a match. His passing range is exceptional, he has vision, genuine skill and we'll have someone in midfield who will be able to get the ball to Arteta. No one knows if Gravesen is past it, he is NOT a defensive midfielder (which is what RM bought him for) and who knows what happened in Scotland. He may turn out to be a flop, but he's only on loan so what difference does it make? Fernandez screwed us over and left Moyes with no time, give him some credit for at least trying to bolster the team. To suggest that Neville and Carsley should play ahead of someone as talented as Gravesen is quite frankly insulting. Why don't Everton fans quit moaning about EVERYTHING and actually get behind Moyes (the best thing about the club in decades) and support his judgement. Gravesen has ability and if he has the ability that he had before he left then he'd be the second name on my teamsheet just behind Arteta (oh and maybe Yobo/Lescott and Howard!!!).

 

Nice one Tommy, good to have you back and I for one have a huge smile on my face as you're a one of a kind. C'MANNNNNNNN!

What a first post. Agree with everything in that post, welcome to the forum ;)

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You mention things he hasn't done for 2 and half years mate. He's returned to us over weight, slower, older and just plain not as good. If you're happy with going backwards then that's your choice, but me I have ambition.

 

it's not going backwards, it's called making the best of a bad situation. We have limited time, he is only on loan and even an overweight, slower Tommy G has more ability than Carsley (who I have a lot of time for - defensively) and Neville put together. Let's face it, none of us have seen much of him and so none of us know what he is still capable of. 31 is NOT too old, it's probably younger than Carsley! Let's just wait and see if he's still got it and hold off on the barracking for now. It's a no brainer, absolutely no risk and hardly any money outlay. European experience, knows the team and the management and what is expected. I think we'd all love to see Appiah (probably more than Fernandez - who looked a little lazy on occasion) and let's keep fingers crossed, but I don't think we should write off Tommy yet. He was too good for the Scottish league, he probably couldn't get motivated - plus I never thought Strachan was a decent manager anyway. Remember, West Ham dropped Mascherano who is 10 million times better than anything they have in their midfield.

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What a first post. Agree with everything in that post, welcome to the forum ;)

 

thanks! :) I've been considering posting for days as all the doom and gloom over transfer has been getting on my raving titties! Gravesen is a cult hero, some people hate him but I thought he was superb!

 

shows you how highly Moyes thinks of Gravesen to give him the number 10.

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Hate to be a pesimist, but he was never anything special, and he's gone further down hill. Very uninspiring signing, couldnt cut it in the SPL. Still he's back, and i hope he puts in a good show.

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thanks! :) I've been considering posting for days as all the doom and gloom over transfer has been getting on my raving titties! Gravesen is a cult hero, some people hate him but I thought he was superb!

 

shows you how highly Moyes thinks of Gravesen to give him the number 10.

When I knew he was off to madrid I was really gutted, he was class. Maybe he wont be as good as he was that 6 months before he went to madrid, but he will boost the numbers anyway.

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Look at it this way...last time round it was amusing when refs couldn't tell the difference between Mad Dog & Cars.

 

Now we've got the 3 of them with AJ so it should be a right hoot. The 2 signings tomorrow are then Phil & Grant!

 

 

the refs might give us some penalty decisions by mistakin

tommo or carlsley for AJ :D

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thanks! :) I've been considering posting for days as all the doom and gloom over transfer has been getting on my raving titties! Gravesen is a cult hero, some people hate him but I thought he was superb!

 

shows you how highly Moyes thinks of Gravesen to give him the number 10.

 

I look forward to listenning to your excuses when he does fuck all. Hopefully he won't be a starter anyway and we can actually give the man who deserves a chance a go (Jagielka).

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I think he's exactly the kind of player we need. Moyes has brought him back to do the business. We know what he was capable and for years he was one of my favourite players. He's good squad material, will work better than AVM and as its only a loan deal I welcome seeing him in the blue. Having said that he's not the signing I was hoping for. Here's hoping we get at least Vogel (though he may not be interested as we kind of dropped his transfer when we realised we had to pay compensation) and maybe another top class player. If not I can see us waiting until January when we know what we need. I hear Mark Pembridge is available on a free :P

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im kinda glad tommy is back but bit embarresed aswell as expected a big name midfielder bit of drop down from manny hopefully moyes will do the business 2moz and sort someone out fink we could do with a left winger or creative centrel player we need sum skillfull players not just graftters

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Dunno where i stand with tommy, i'll let him on the pitch before i judge him, At least the £12M?? that we would have spent on fernandes is going to be saved for January or next summer when a new target may appear, if we were to bid for the likes of Appiah at this stage the price would become inflated, (Should have spent at the start of the summer like everyone else? Yeah Probably but stupid money was being thrown around then as well)

 

Until Vaughan Returns i say this our best team

 

Howard

Pip Joey Lescott Bains

Jags

Arteta Tommy Osman/Piennar? (bollocks forgotten how to spell)

AJ YAK

 

Subs:

Wessels

Stubbs

Carsley

Mcfadden

Victor

 

 

 

Oh and a point i should have made when the Fernandes deal fell through but it doesnt matter now, If we're struggling to find a midfielder why is Vidarsson given a chance?

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Zed    1

Maybe look at this as a replacement for Vogel rather than Manny

 

Bit mixed emotions on this one really, ups the numbers of the squad

 

I'll reserve judgement till I see him play

 

But I always like the mad bastard

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wohoo!!!! thrilled to have tommy back......

 

funny how excited everyone was to sign fernandes for 12 million and given his about-turn, which must say a lot about his attitude, that would have been a flop without any doubt...

 

f*ck off fernandes, but thank you for getting us to bring tommy back!!!

 

ps. don't think there'll be any more signings for now

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All I am saying about this is that its a loan so no money to pay out apart from the wages.

 

We all agreed that we need to add squad numbers.

 

Yes in an ideal world we would add players that will improve on the others and I don't think that Grav is an improvement on any of our players if Carsley or Osman was injured then would not mind him playing there.

 

No outlay in signing fee so gives us money to bring in somone else.

 

Honesly think that if Manny signed would not be looking at Grav and think its a bit of a rush buy to get the numbers up but as I said no transfer fee.

 

Heres hoping its not the end of the signings and DM did say that he hoped to have 2 players in and normally means should get 2 so heres to a top singing for the midfield and then the squad will be complete for the season (well at least til Jan)

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he wasnt that much of a flop in the spl, in fact, one of the last celtic games i watched, he scroed a hat trick, and scored the winner in the last few minutes, with all the Celtic fans singing 'Ohh Tommy Tommy!'. No money spent for an experienced player. Where is the harm in that? I am happy enought with this bit of business by Moyes to bolster our squad for europe. BTW skysports news are strongly linking us with Appiah and Riquelme today. imagine we got them both! I think i would have to change me boxers!

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Gravesen will be able to do a job for us, particularly in 451 (if we ever play it again) away from home with Cahill and Carsley/Jags, when he can get on the ball and stroke it around. In 442 we still dont have a decent balanced midfield - I haven't seen enough of Jags to comment on his ability but Carsley, (excellent defensively/useless creatively) Neville (ditto, except not quite as good defensively and even worse passer) Cahill (excellent goalscorer, not particularly great at anything else) just aren't the answer. Gravesen may be a concern in a CM 442 role, but he is probably the best bet as he can tackle a bit, he can pass, he is creative and he is the fulcrum of a team - ie he can dominate. I'm not saying he is the answer and hopefully we will sign someone like Appiah who can go on and be the answer, the Steven Gerrard type player we need who can dominate a match, run up and down all day and give us everything in the one player. Even the likes of Riquelme I can't see fitting in too well in a 442, again he'd take the Cahill position in 451. We NEED a world class/excellent CM, it's what we've been missing ever since Gravesen left and the reason we can't consistently challenge near the top 4. Once Vaughan is back (who I thought could have been a superstar this season) then we'll be in business, personally I've been a little disappointed by Johnson's lack of pace and think Vaughan may end up replacing him. I still believe Johnson can come good, and he does a great job for the team, but he doesn't look the goal threat or pace machine that I expected. In fact, Yakubu may be quicker.

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I look forward to listenning to your excuses when he does fuck all. Hopefully he won't be a starter anyway and we can actually give the man who deserves a chance a go (Jagielka).

 

not being funny, but nearly every game Neville plays in CM he does f all, plenty of games Cahill plays in 442 he does nothing and the list goes on and on. People notice it more with Gravesen purely because they know what talent he does have so they get frustrated when he isn't producing. But imo, even when not at his best he still gives us something that hardly anyone else in our team does - an ability to create a goal or conjure up magic. We already have a superb defense (although once again we haven't kept a single clean sheet this season, partly because we give the ball away too much but mainly because Stubbs is playing - I like Stubbs but he has no pace meaning we have to sit deep, Lescott and Yobo should play EVERY match they're fit at CB and we'd have probably the best partnership in the league) and we need more creativity - FACT. :)

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not being funny, but nearly every game Neville plays in CM he does f all, plenty of games Cahill plays in 442 he does nothing and the list goes on and on. People notice it more with Gravesen purely because they know what talent he does have so they get frustrated when he isn't producing. But imo, even when not at his best he still gives us something that hardly anyone else in our team does - an ability to create a goal or conjure up magic. We already have a superb defense (although once again we haven't kept a single clean sheet this season, partly because we give the ball away too much but mainly because Stubbs is playing - I like Stubbs but he has no pace meaning we have to sit deep, Lescott and Yobo should play EVERY match they're fit at CB and we'd have probably the best partnership in the league) and we need more creativity - FACT. :)

 

 

man this guy can post!!! guess it helps that I agree with everything you say.....

 

"I have always said I would never want to come back to any other club in England other than Everton - I am an Everton player. In my five years here we improved all the way and we ended on a high and that is what I want to achieve again."

 

straight into the team for tomorrow please, let's see what's changed over the years...

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Where is Marcus now?? is it still charlton??

 

Yes he's still at charlton not doing so well thou, he scored in a 1-1 draw with scunthorpe.

 

Never mind Graveson, any1 heard the rumour Big Dinc Is coming out of retirement to play for us agen!

 

 

LoL Only kidding! (not that any1 would ever belive that)

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man this guy can post!!! guess it helps that I agree with everything you say.....

 

"I have always said I would never want to come back to any other club in England other than Everton - I am an Everton player. In my five years here we improved all the way and we ended on a high and that is what I want to achieve again."

 

straight into the team for tomorrow please, let's see what's changed over the years...

 

I just hope he can still cut it! I loved Gravesen, he was my favourite player when he was here along with Yobo. It'd be disappointing if he was a shadow of his former self, but I believe in Moyes and believe it's worth the small gamble. I'm more concerned about the Riquelme one, it smacks of a Walter Smith signing or Middlesbrough under Bryan Robson. Someone who probably isn't really interested in playing for us at all but just wants some big wages and no stress and will get a sulk on when Moyes asks him to pull his weight. I can't deny I'd be excited seeing him play, but I cant see Riquelme fitting into a 442, unless he can play on the wing - or I suppose we could use him just behind the main striker although who do you drop out of Johnson/Yakubu?

 

I'm a little concerned if we make TOO many signings, then it becomes difficult to keep everyone happy. Moyes is still learning and last time he had real options for a position (Jeffers, Rooney, Radzinski & Campbell) Moyes kept rotating and no one found any rhythm and we had an asbolutely terrible season. Hopefully Moyes now is more experienced and learned from his mistakes. COYB :) let's get Appiah, even if we have to pay over the odds.

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Romey...I agree with you 100%. I too am looking forward to the "Gravesen is shit" comments from those in this post saying "what a great signing" in a couple of months time...

 

People that don't think it is a backwards step rely too much on past form, abilities. Hell lets bring back Kevin Campbell and big dunc, top 4 here we come.....

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not being funny, but nearly every game Neville plays in CM he does f all, plenty of games Cahill plays in 442 he does nothing and the list goes on and on. People notice it more with Gravesen purely because they know what talent he does have so they get frustrated when he isn't producing. But imo, even when not at his best he still gives us something that hardly anyone else in our team does - an ability to create a goal or conjure up magic. We already have a superb defense (although once again we haven't kept a single clean sheet this season, partly because we give the ball away too much but mainly because Stubbs is playing - I like Stubbs but he has no pace meaning we have to sit deep, Lescott and Yobo should play EVERY match they're fit at CB and we'd have probably the best partnership in the league) and we need more creativity - FACT. :)

 

 

Do you seriously believe Grav is going to give us creativity? He's not fast enough (brainwise and skills wise) to pull it off. He won't be able to keep up anymore, and that will become abundandtly clear once he plays. I just pray he doesn't start any games, unless we're absolutely desperate. Just thinking about him playing ahead of other players in our team fills me with frustration and annoyance.

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i agree, its deffo not the great signin i wanted.

 

but its another to add to a ''small squad'' that we apparently have!

 

i've said before i think we'll get another in and i think we'll be sayin bye to carsley. which i think is harsh for what he did last year!

 

it worries me when people are happy about tommy comin back but at around the same age as him! there is a world class player in riquelme linked and were gettin all worried!

should it not be the other way!!!!!!! have you forgot how he ripped us about at Goodison few year back. i can very cearly he were tracking back making things happen. like picking the ball up off his defence and trying to pass his way threw instead of lettin the defence pump it forward!!!! plus unlike osman he is no light weight he can handle him self!!! and boy cant he strike a ball!!!

 

all these people who said he might not track back and that! i can remeber alot of the time how fernandes went missing but you were all lovin him to come back!

 

plus and a big plus!! jus think what it would do for the youth we have at the club him and appaih would be great role models!!!!

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i agree, its deffo not the great signin i wanted.

 

but its another to add to a ''small squad'' that we apparently have!

 

i've said before i think we'll get another in and i think we'll be sayin bye to carsley. which i think is harsh for what he did last year!

 

it worries me when people are happy about tommy comin back but at around the same age as him! there is a world class player in riquelme linked and were gettin all worried!

should it not be the other way!!!!!!! have you forgot how he ripped us about at Goodison few year back. i can very cearly he were tracking back making things happen. like picking the ball up off his defence and trying to pass his way threw instead of lettin the defence pump it forward!!!! plus unlike osman he is no light weight he can handle him self!!! and boy cant he strike a ball!!!

 

all these people who said he might not track back and that! i can remeber alot of the time how fernandes went missing but you were all lovin him to come back!

 

plus and a big plus!! jus think what it would do for the youth we have at the club him and appaih would be great role models!!!!

 

I haven't seen enough of Riquelme to judge either way on his workrate, I remember him looking a very decent player and he is much bigger than Osman no doubt. I'd just be a bit concerned that we'd HAVE to play him and that he may affect morale if he doesnt pull his weight. The thing is, he won't be signing anyway - someone with his stature in the game and his ability would not be coming to Everton on loan. It's a sad thing to say but it's true - especially as we wouldn't pay the wages and a lot of teams would. The Echo seemed to think we wouldn't be getting anyone else in, personally I'd be absolutely ecstatic if Appiah signed, I'm not particularly bothered either way about Riquelme as he's only a short-term solution anyway.

 

Let's get Appiah, he could be dynamite for us.

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AS expected there are some blues that are not happy with Gravesen coming back, even when he was doing well for us there were fans who thought he was useless.

I do hope he is used sparingly though, as the team we have at the moment should get better with time and experience.

 

One thing I will say for Gravesen is that he is confident on the ball and I think will provide Arteta with more time and space to work his magic.

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AS expected there are some blues that are not happy with Gravesen coming back, even when he was doing well for us there were fans who thought he was useless.

I do hope he is used sparingly though, as the team we have at the moment should get better with time and experience.

 

One thing I will say for Gravesen is that he is confident on the ball and I think will provide Arteta with more time and space to work his magic.

 

exactly, we'll finally have someone willing to pick up the ball all day (like Arteta) and who can actually get the ball to Arteta to create some damage. Arteta hardly touched the ball against blackburn, I think the ball spent longer in the air than on the deck or at anyone's feet - it was embarrassing.

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I haven't seen enough of Riquelme to judge either way on his workrate, I remember him looking a very decent player and he is much bigger than Osman no doubt. I'd just be a bit concerned that we'd HAVE to play him and that he may affect morale if he doesnt pull his weight. The thing is, he won't be signing anyway - someone with his stature in the game and his ability would not be coming to Everton on loan. It's a sad thing to say but it's true - especially as we wouldn't pay the wages and a lot of teams would. The Echo seemed to think we wouldn't be getting anyone else in, personally I'd be absolutely ecstatic if Appiah signed, I'm not particularly bothered either way about Riquelme as he's only a short-term solution anyway.

 

Let's get Appiah, he could be dynamite for us.

 

 

The thing is with Riquelme he doesn't want to be playing for the massive teams, he's said on a number of occasions he wants to be a big fish in a small pond. So him signing for us wouldnt be such a ridiculous rumour.

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exactly, we'll finally have someone willing to pick up the ball all day (like Arteta) and who can actually get the ball to Arteta to create some damage. Arteta hardly touched the ball against blackburn, I think the ball spent longer in the air than on the deck or at anyone's feet - it was embarrassing.

 

AND...with Gravesen in midfield actually looking for the ball perhaps Hibbert will have someone to pass to, so his distribution might actually improve (I'm not holding my breath about this but it is possible).

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AS expected there are some blues that are not happy with Gravesen coming back, even when he was doing well for us there were fans who thought he was useless.

I do hope he is used sparingly though, as the team we have at the moment should get better with time and experience.

 

One thing I will say for Gravesen is that he is confident on the ball and I think will provide Arteta with more time and space to work his magic.

 

Some blues want the club to move forward...

Anyway, Moyes has already come out and said he is here as a squad player which means he is not going to be starting that often...phew.

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4pi    0

i agree with romey.

 

he likes to be centre of attention and i think arteta would benifit from him the most some 1 who he can give the ball 2 instead of every1 jus wanting to give him the ball!

 

and your sayin about arteta hardly being in the game at rovers yes he wasnt! why cas we didnt have any other people who can pass the ball to him this guy has it in his locker and so much more!

 

i loved tommy before he went but he is not good enough now to wash riqulemes boots!!! we are talkin about a player who is the main figure head of Argentina, one of the best footballing nations in the world!!!

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i agree with romey.

 

he likes to be centre of attention and i think arteta would benifit from him the most some 1 who he can give the ball 2 instead of every1 jus wanting to give him the ball!

 

and your sayin about arteta hardly being in the game at rovers yes he wasnt! why cas we didnt have any other people who can pass the ball to him this guy has it in his locker and so much more!

 

i loved tommy before he went but he is not good enough now to wash riqulemes boots!!! we are talkin about a player who is the main figure head of Argentina, one of the best footballing nations in the world!!!

 

I'm not trying to say Gravesen is better than Riquelme, just possibly less risky in my eyes and he's better than the CM's we've got (if he's anything like as good as he was before). Gravesen is the figurehead of Denmark, when they played England he was by far the best midfielder on the pitch, not Gerrard or Lampard. Even in the World Cup when we thrashed them (due to Sorensen in goal) he was probably the best player on the pitch. When you put players with movement around him (Jeffers at his best) then Gravesen is excellent. He is one player who can play a through ball, even Arteta doesnt seem to split defences very often - most likely because he plays out wide but even so, the point is valid. When was the last time you saw Johnson go through one on one with the keeper, then think of Campbell, Radzinski and Jeffers and how often they went through one on one with the keeper? I'm not saying Riquelme doesnt have this ability, he does, but I'd far rather we buy Appiah than Riquelme. Gravesen is here now, Riquelme isn't - so lets get behind someone who seems to love the club. I just hope we get Appiah, we need that type of player more than a Fernandez imo.

 

If Gravesen turns out to be crap then so be it, but I'm prepared to give him a chance. When we are obviously a superior outfit to the opposition and are expected to dominate that's when we'll need Gravesen, as he can make things happen. It doesn't matter who we play with Neville and Carsley in midfield, we'll always struggle to score goals.

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i think hedid cut it in SPL he scored 6 goals in 18 gamesalso didnt he score a hattrick against st mirren & 2 in the old firm derby?

 

 

I'm not totally against the signing, the more players the better in my book. But i watch hell of alot of SPL games, i'm also a big Rangers fan, I've seen plenty of Celtic games, and know plenty of Celtic fans, i can asure you he was flop. But hey, benifit of the doubt and all that. Come on Tommy :D

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well all I can say is, Everton were absolutely abysmal today until Gravesen came on - then guess what, Everton actually start to pass the ball, Everton start to dominate and Gravesen is probably the best player on the pitch. He puts Johnson clean through on goal, he has a hand in another couple of chances and he takes the corner we score off. Anyone who thinks that he doesn't deserve to play in our midfield ahead of Neville or Carsley needs to actually watch the game and recognise talent. Gravesen is BACK and he just won us 3 points :) C'MANNNNNNNNNNNNN! hopefully Neville can be consigned to RB for good. Also, well done Osman - did well when he came on, good job as Arteta was anonymous and Johnson seriously needs a goall.

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We should be thankful that we got him for no fee - a year long loan is more than enough, he was a class act up here but strachan was a moron and rated paul hartley (who?!) as a better centre mid!

 

will do a great job - moan the gravedigger!!!

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I'm not trying to say Gravesen is better than Riquelme, just possibly less risky in my eyes and he's better than the CM's we've got (if he's anything like as good as he was before). Gravesen is the figurehead of Denmark, when they played England he was by far the best midfielder on the pitch, not Gerrard or Lampard. Even in the World Cup when we thrashed them (due to Sorensen in goal) he was probably the best player on the pitch. When you put players with movement around him (Jeffers at his best) then Gravesen is excellent. He is one player who can play a through ball, even Arteta doesnt seem to split defences very often - most likely because he plays out wide but even so, the point is valid. When was the last time you saw Johnson go through one on one with the keeper, then think of Campbell, Radzinski and Jeffers and how often they went through one on one with the keeper? I'm not saying Riquelme doesnt have this ability, he does, but I'd far rather we buy Appiah than Riquelme. Gravesen is here now, Riquelme isn't - so lets get behind someone who seems to love the club. I just hope we get Appiah, we need that type of player more than a Fernandez imo.

 

If Gravesen turns out to be crap then so be it, but I'm prepared to give him a chance. When we are obviously a superior outfit to the opposition and are expected to dominate that's when we'll need Gravesen, as he can make things happen. It doesn't matter who we play with Neville and Carsley in midfield, we'll always struggle to score goals.

 

dont know which fernandez you're talking about :eh:

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have to say tha if grave makes an impression like he did today then i will addmit i was wrong.

 

jus got back from the game and he was brilliant!

 

yakubu made the big impression they all looked happy with him in there.

 

to be fair graveson jus did the same as carsley and holded the midfield but it was his passin that seperated him to carsley!

 

well done grave keep proving me wrong

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I'd rather talk about how good or bad Grav is after more than one game tbh. One game doesn't prove anything. I think it was Osman that changed the game not Grav, but it was his corner that set up Joley so I'll give him that.

 

it may only be one game, but it's also 2/3 points he's just won for us, they could be invaluable come the end of the season. He turned the game for us when he came on, when you could you ever say that about any of our other midfielders except for possibly Arteta and at a stretch Osman. Carsley and Neville should never play together in centre mid again, hopefully Moyes knows this which is why he bought Gravesen. You keep slagging off Gravesen yet tell me a better alternative in our current squad to play centre mid? there isn't one.

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at least tommy has answerd all his knockers....anyway its time some of the blues on this forumn supported the blues instead of slaggin them off... ie kenwright and moyes.

moyes has learned a lot in the last 18 months.

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at least tommy has answerd all his knockers....anyway its time some of the blues on this forumn supported the blues instead of slaggin them off... ie kenwright and moyes.

moyes has learned a lot in the last 18 months.

Kenright hasn't tho :D

 

Grav is a player who will make us play football something I like, Jags should play right back but since Neville has to play so moyes would put him rightback even tho Hibberts better there, so id play jags center midfield untill the african nations.

 

Arteta---Jagielka---Graveson---Pienaar << Thats our best midfield imo, Osman came on today, I havent seen the game but I bet he played through the middle behind the striker/strikers he's poor on the wing and impresses me more off the bench. Pienaar has impressed me up to now, he looks a threat on the ball, and he's creative.

 

COYBS!!

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I would just like to say how much i enjoyed Gravesen's preformance today and with an assist for the 2nd goal hes already a big influence to our side. When brought on we seemed to have a bit more enthusiasm about us and pressure which led to the goal. It was like he never left???

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Everton let him leave to follow his dream,when they could have held on to him!

He always got on well with Moyes and the fans.......maybe he has a conscience!

Could drive him on a bit for us more than say Celtic!

 

He'll be plaing aswell for a contract at the end of his loan spell(I think).....That

should put an extra spark in his play.

 

Maybe an inspired piece of business by Moyes?

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If he does it consitently then I'll happily admit I was wrong, because it's always a good thing when a player plays well no matter what your initial impressions were. But after one game I'm not going to fall over myself because he passed a ball well and put in a (peach of a) corner to set up the goal. If he puts in this performance week in week out and not at a ratio of what he did in his first spell then I'll be happy for him to replace Carsley, I've wanted him replaced for over a year now and this could be the best (short term hopefully) opportunity.

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If he does it consitently then I'll happily admit I was wrong, because it's always a good thing when a player plays well no matter what your initial impressions were. But after one game I'm not going to fall over myself because he passed a ball well and put in a (peach of a) corner to set up the goal. If he puts in this performance week in week out and not at a ratio of what he did in his first spell then I'll be happy for him to replace Carsley, I've wanted him replaced for over a year now and this could be the best (short term hopefully) opportunity.

 

In defence of Gravesen in his first spell, we werent the most confident of teams and everything used to go through Gravesen, the policy seemed to be "if in doubt give the ball to Tommy" so its not surprising he made his fair share of mistakes really.

 

He played well yesterday, lets hope (as you say) he does it consistently.

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