Zed Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 It always supprises me when people consider it a negative tactic for us to play 4-5-1 When man u or Chelski play this way is it negative It showed on thurday that with the right players its a system that suits us, having cahill back and when Gravison is fit will suit that system Dont get me wrong, we have (when fit) 4 good strikers and we must use them 4-5-1 may be our system for europe, it certainly worked on thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheedysheedysheedy Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 (edited) It always supprises me when people consider it a negative tactic for us to play 4-5-1 When man u or Chelski play this way is it negative It showed on thurday that with the right players its a system that suits us, having cahill back and when Gravison is fit will suit that system Dont get me wrong, we have (when fit) 4 good strikers and we must use them 4-5-1 may be our system for europe, it certainly worked on thursday What about the sexy girls? I've been lured here under false pretences, it's an outrage! So disappointed I'm not even gonna bother replying! p.s. Was disappointed when I saw 4-5-1 but it worked so happy for it to continue - success over entertainment until we have the capability of doing both. Edited October 27, 2007 by sheedysheedysheedy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 I like 4 5 1 its great against the better teams but teams you should be beating sometimes its harder to score, imo 4 1 3 2 is our best formation when everyone is fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Out of interest Chelski lined up 4-5-1 this afternoon, Drogba up front with Kalou and Cole wide and Essien, Obi and Lampard in the middle. Bloody negative tactics . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 i think the difference with our 4-5-1 on Thursday was that we had Cahill and Osman in the middle who are both very attacking midfield players who will back up the striker. I don't think mcfadden is a player suited to being up there by himself, Anichebe I think would be as he's strong enough to take people on and also to hold the ball up. I think when we did well with a 4-5-1 previously it was because Cahill was always there backing up the lone striker, hopefully now he's back we'll have that option again as well as still trying to improve our game with a 4-4-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Out of interest Chelski lined up 4-5-1 this afternoon, Drogba up front with Kalou and Cole wide and Essien, Obi and Lampard in the middle. Bloody negative tactics . That is completely different to the 451 Moyes chooses to play. It's not even comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 That is completely different to the 451 Moyes chooses to play. It's not even comparable. They're both 4-5-1 so they're comparable. It wasn't a point of player, tactic or ability comparison anyway I was just making the point that 4-5-1 is not neccessarily negative. Our second goal on Thursday was every bit as good as the ManU and Chelsea stuff they were creaming their pants over on MOTD last night. If that's the result of negativity then I'm all for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 They're both 4-5-1 so they're comparable. It wasn't a point of player, tactic or ability comparison anyway I was just making the point that 4-5-1 is not neccessarily negative. Our second goal on Thursday was every bit as good as the ManU and Chelsea stuff they were creaming their pants over on MOTD last night. If that's the result of negativity then I'm all for it! Chelsea's formation is more 433 than 451. You're right 451 isn't always negative but it shouldn't be our main formation, not with the amount of strikers we have. Plus with Moyes it usually is a negative formation, he uses it to stifle the opposition not rip them apart a la Chelsea yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 im with mark, its more a 433 with chelsea, as they have wingers that sit right up the pitch. and at the moment united play more like 415, fantastic to watch thou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 It always supprises me when people consider it a negative tactic for us to play 4-5-1 When man u or Chelski play this way is it negative It showed on thurday that with the right players its a system that suits us, having cahill back and when Gravison is fit will suit that system Dont get me wrong, we have (when fit) 4 good strikers and we must use them 4-5-1 may be our system for europe, it certainly worked on thursday Ye, spot on Zed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Ye, spot on Zed I agree with both of you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I agree with both of you . well I think everyone knows where I stand on the 451 having banged on about it since the beginning of the season, I'm just glad Moyes has gone back to it and proven all the doubters wrong. Glad to read the comparison in the Daily Mail match report of our 451 with that of England on Weds, they were gushing in their praise of our system and how fantastically we play it. The bottom line is with a fully fit squad playing a 451 system we are in the top 5 teams in the league and as long as we don't get too stretched by the cups etc I think we can push the top 4 all the way, Moyes has built a fantastic team at a fantastic price. Ryan Babel cost about 12-15million or something, Arteta cost about 2.5m - says it all. Even Yakubu is now looking a brilliant signing, even I didn't see him being suitable for a 451, yet he is playing superb. Let's keep it going and turn over Portsmouth, then we really can start thinking big. I'd give Gravesen, Vaughan, Anichebe, Stubbs etc a run out in midweek and keep everyone fresh for next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 " I'd give Gravesen, Vaughan, Anichebe, Stubbs etc a run out in midweek and keep everyone fresh for next weekend." ... I agree, along with Hibbert, Jagielka, Johnson and Baines, How long is it since we've had a bench with players as good as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I'd give Gravesen, Vaughan, Anichebe, Stubbs etc a run out in midweek and keep everyone fresh for next weekend. Except we don't have a match this week, unless I'm being thick (wouldn't be the first time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 DOH, ........... I know what he means tho, Two more Midfielders and a centre half in January and we could almost field two decent teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 (edited) Love the Daily Mail report (thanks Carl), quote of the week for me... Everton had saved the best goal of all for last. Osman's surging, jinking solo run was reminiscent of Paul Gascoigne in his prime and the magnificent seven will live in the memory for a good while. Perhaps Moyes can send Steve McClaren a video of this perfection. It's never too late to learn, after all. I'd (I've said it before) substitute Trevor Steven for Paul Gasgoigne but love it anyway . Edited November 25, 2007 by MikeO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 With the forwards we have 4-4-2 should be our long-term formation, but 4-5-1 is doing the business right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 With the forwards we have 4-4-2 should be our long-term formation, but 4-5-1 is doing the business right now. I don't really mind what formation we play as long as we win and win well. 442 can only become a viable formation if a brilliant CM is bought, we have a good enough team to play 442 now and win a lot of matches, but I think we'd only finish top 10, in a 451 and fully fit team I think we can push the top 4 all the way, that's the difference. I was very pleased to read this from Moyes in today's Echo: We’ve found a style of play which suits us, makes us attacking and gives us options. But more importantly it fits the players we’ve got and suits their abilities. it's what I've been saying all along, it doesn't matter what formation you personally prefer, you have to pick the formation that suits the players you have on your books. The 451 is a masterstroke on Moyes part, I mean we got into the top 4 with Marcus Bent up front on his own and a far inferior team to that which we now posess. We really can go onto big things this season, I definitely a fancy a very healthy league position and some silverware, Everton are coming back and I think a lot of other teams in the premiership definitely do NOT want to play Everton. A special word for Lee Carsley, it may be Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta, Osman, Yak getting all the headlines but Carsley has once again demonstrated his worth as the DM in 5 man midfield, I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are few better in the premier league as an out and out defensive midfielder. I literally cannot believe we can now have Vaughan, Baines, Gravesen and McFadden in the stands and still win 7-1 (and should have been more). oh and didn't realise we had no match midweek! I assumed we were playing in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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