jofanon Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Are we just going through a good patch or can this team really achieve things? So many false dawns before but there seems to be such momentum at the moment. Playing at our best we can compete with anyone its just the consistancy that worries me (based on what we've done before0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 What concerns me is that even though we've been on this good run so has everyone around us and we havn't really made any ground up. We need other teams to slip up while we're in form, a bit of luck if you will. If that happens then Europe and maybe a cup is a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 .............................Two Good Goalkeepers! Neville/Hibbert....................................................Valente/Baines. ........................Yobo/Jags..............Lescott/Stubbs. .......................Midfield, plenty of cover! ........................Loads of free scoring forwards! Cover for every position! Can we achieve things? Why not!Confidence is high, I'd say were a team most wont want to play against.Never know when were beaten, master tormenter Cahill back to his best.Forwards knowing they have to score...and a fully fit Gravo wanting to play his part. Luck with injuries and a growing confidence....hell yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Thing for me, just watching extended highlights on Everton TV, is that when TC and Yak came off they were smiling and laughing with AJ and Vic. Not remotely pissed that were missing out on the chance of a hat-trick but just genuinely pleased about the teams performance. Says a huge amount about the spirit for me and I like the way DM has kept talking up the players left out of the sixteen. We avoid serious levels of injury then Europe again and maybe a cup is certainly achievable. Fully fit squad we can beat anyone. Big game next week, very difficult to win at Pompey...no-one's done it yet this season but it's not beyond us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Good result/Perf @ Pompey & we then have the credential's to maybe start Wishing upon a star that little bit more January could be defining, Continued run, the correct signing or 2............?......And who knows what we could kick on 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Totally agree, Pat. I can see the transfer window being important this year, especially with four players leaving for maybe up to six weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shetland Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Hi all this is my 1st post so hello to all you regulars. I too am the most positive about the everton squad than I have been in years. I do however have concerns about the hectic month coming up: 2 Uefa cup games, a carling Q/Final and 6 premiership games against mostly tough oppostion (Fulham being probably the safest bet of the month). I am confident that we can do enough to be in a decent position by January to be ok but I feel if we get injuries in the wrong places i.e. non-strikers we may start to suffer with the games coming so thick and fast. How does everyone else feel about a tough December? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 How does everyone else feel about a tough December? im looking forward to one of the most exciting decembers we've had for a long long time. welcome to TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zed Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Yes, we go into December full of optimism. As Romney says, we've kept pace with the teams around us, so its imprtant to keep it up as we've achieved nothing yet. The good thing is teams will be coming up against us thinking about us and not thinking let av em their crap A bit of luck (chelsea) and a lot of good football (sunderland) and we will do well Pompey will define our season How many times after a good run have we played crap and been brought down to earth with a bump Your only as good as your next game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 What concerns me is that even though we've been on this good run so has everyone around us and we havn't really made any ground up. We need other teams to slip up while we're in form, a bit of luck if you will. If that happens then Europe and maybe a cup is a possibility. we've reeled in Blackburn and made up 5 points of difference (a few weeks ago they were 5 points ahead with a game in hand) plus Man City are closer and teams like Newcastle and West Ham are starting to fall away a little, plus we extended the gap on Spurs at the weekend. Blackburn play Villa tomo night so someone will have to drop some points there (let's hope for a draw) and then if we can beat Portsmouth (big ask but as far as I'm concerned we're the better team) then all of a sudden I think we could jump a few places next weekend. I don't think teams like Villa can sustain their form, they haven't got a particularly great team and Blackburn have a decent first eleven but not much cover. Portsmouth have streaky players, they can be blistering for a few weeks then not score for months, I'd expect us to get past them too and from what I've seen of City they're in a false position. Cup runs are the only worry for our league form, but this season I think we may finally have the squad to do both. I mean we have players like Stubbs, Vaughan, AJ, Anichebe, Gravesen, Baines, Jags/Hibbert, McFadden who can all come in and do a job, some of them will probably even improve the team (Baines, Vaughan etc). I really am excited about this season, we just need to beat Portsmouth (certainly not lose) it's the biggest match of the season so far for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin.jones Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I wouldn't lay too much on the pompey game I think it would be great to win. I thnik in the summer 1 new quality midfielder should be brought in and I would like both grav and piernar secured by the summer. I would be happy with that. I think jags should be given a bit of a game at CB as I think it's evolving that is where we need cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 why would you want to bring grav in? the guys old and cant get fit, hasnt been fully fit for a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin.jones Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 i sought opf agree grav is a good impact player tocome on from the bench this why I think we need 1 or 2 new midfielders in Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 but surely its not progress signing grav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Grav should only be a stop gap, anyone who sees him as a long term signing is deranged. He hasn't even been an effective stop gap, remind me how much he's actually played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFCfanatic Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 This team really is looking healthy. I'll write again after the pompey game because we could, as previously said, be brought right back down to earth. But seriously we should aim for silver this season. A win vs WHam and I fancy us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Grav should only be a stop gap, anyone who sees him as a long term signing is deranged. He hasn't even been an effective stop gap, remind me how much he's actually played? not much, but then again his presence might have inspired Osman to produce his best and he came on and won us 3 points against Bolton, created the winner against Sheffield Weds etc and it's only early days. I think Gravesen will turn out to be a good deal, there's still time for him to come through and he must be nearing fitness now, he's obviously a very popular player in the dressing room too so his effect on morale and his experience and ability being passed on to the younger members of our team shouldn't be overlooked either. I still think Gravesen's time will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 I think Gravesen will turn out to be a good deal, there's still time for him to come through and he must be nearing fitness now, he's obviously a very popular player in the dressing room too so his effect on morale and his experience and ability being passed on to the younger members of our team shouldn't be overlooked either. I still think Gravesen's time will come. Spot on mate! Some on here would have dumped him, Anichebe and Osman a few months back!Good job the fans don't run the club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Tommy's never going to get any better, we had him for 3 seasons and he only played decent for the last 4 months when he went looking for a transfer abroad, could'nt even make it into the Celtic team. We can get a lot better than Grav. Signing Pienaar is a must tho, BEFORE TIME RUNS OUT THIS TIME. not like Fernandes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Signing Pienaar is a must tho, BEFORE TIME RUNS OUT THIS TIME. not like Fernandes. Certainly Piennar before Gravo!.......Piennar could prove one of the best buys this season. Seems to get better with each game. Gravesen if cheap or part of a deal with McFadden is worth keeping for as mentioned, what he can do for the squad.Gravo couldn't make the Celtic team!Could be many reasons for that. Vaughan didn't make the squad Saturday.....just happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Vaughan didnt make the squad saturday, Grav didnt make the squad for a bit more than one game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Vaughan didnt make the squad saturday, Grav didnt make the squad for a bit more than one game If we keep winning and injury free, Vaughan still wont make the squad!The lads time will come, proving you can be out of a squad and a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Except Gravesen has only been a good player for 4-6months. Vaughan has a future ahead of him, Grav will be on the scrapheap pretty sharpish if he doesnt sort his fitness out. Gravesen should not be signed permanently, it's as simple as that really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Except Gravesen has only been a good player for 4-6months. Vaughan has a future ahead of him, Grav will be on the scrapheap pretty sharpish if he doesnt sort his fitness out. Gravesen should not be signed permanently, it's as simple as that really. Agree Vaughan has a future....your opinion on Gravo, if like your opinion on Anichebe(fat, lazy waste of space.....kick him out), Osman(no good) and Carsley (too old), don't really matter to me, as you seem to have players you hate....Gravo being one!He came on as a sub the other day and changed the course of the game with a killer pass and a pin point corner......didn't post much after that game did you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Except Gravesen has only been a good player for 4-6months. Vaughan has a future ahead of him, Grav will be on the scrapheap pretty sharpish if he doesnt sort his fitness out. Gravesen should not be signed permanently, it's as simple as that really. Agree Vaughan has a future....your opinion on Gravo, if like your opinion on Anichebe(fat, lazy waste of space.....kick him out), Osman(no good) and Carsley (too old), don't really matter to me, as you seem to have players you hate....Gravo being one!He came on as a sub the other day and changed the course of the game with a killer pass and a pin point corner......didn't post much after that game did you You really are a twit arent you? I dont recall saying Anichebe is fat, and that would be because he's not. But he IS lazy, he DOES have poor fitness etc. Can you argue with that in all honesty? Osman is not no good, he is inconsistent and it's infuriating. Carsley is too old and we should have been actively looking for a replacement for him 2 years ago. He only looks good in a 5 man midfield when he doesn't have to move at all because he is not mobile anymore. Mobility is a key attribute of a defensive midfielder. If you're happy to keep him til he's 40 because he can do a job then that's fine, but my aspirations for Everton are a little higher. I do not hate Gravo, I was gutted when he left actually but he is not that same player, so why live in the past ffs? He's 29/30 now and is not going to get better, once again you're happy with mediocrity. I, on the other hand, am not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) You really are a twit arent you? I dont recall saying Anichebe is fat, and that would be because he's not. But he IS lazy, he DOES have poor fitness etc. Can you argue with that in all honesty? Osman is not no good, he is inconsistent and it's infuriating. Carsley is too old and we should have been actively looking for a replacement for him 2 years ago. He only looks good in a 5 man midfield when he doesn't have to move at all because he is not mobile anymore. Mobility is a key attribute of a defensive midfielder. If you're happy to keep him til he's 40 because he can do a job then that's fine, but my aspirations for Everton are a little higher. I do not hate Gravo, I was gutted when he left actually but he is not that same player, so why live in the past ffs? He's 29/30 now and is not going to get better, once again you're happy with mediocrity. I, on the other hand, am not. I'd personally take exception to he was only good for 4 months. He was always our most talented player and was only totally inconsistent as Smith played him constantly out of position (right winger) like he did with virtually all our players, and because he was surrounded by useless players. He was excellent when Jeffers/Campbell were in the team and even Radzinski benefitted from his incisive passing. He has constantly been excellent for Denmark over his career and I think you are doing him a great disservice. He MAY not be the same player as when he left, but he's already transformed a couple of games and who knows how important those points could be come end of the season? All I know is, if we were drawing 1-1 at home with 20 mins to go, I'd rather bring Gravesen off the bench to play some killer passes then any other midfielders on the bench, it's not as if Jags is going to come on and spray the ball around and split defences. Gravesen still has an eye for a pass, he's already shown that in about the 50 mins football he has had for us, that ability to open defences is priceless and a commodity we don't have enough of in our team. If Osman/Cahill got injured then Gravesen would go straight into the 5. As well as Osman is playing, I still have a belief that Gravesen could make us even better, If he's past it then so be it, but I don't think anyone can say for definite he is until he's had a few games. The bottom line is he was on loan and I think he's raised morale of both fans and players. He'll make an impact. As for Blue 250's comments, I can see what he is saying - you do go have players you obviously dislike and can't seem to watch without prejudice. You said Carsley was totally past it, had no pace, and that Jags should be playing, you were wrong - like you were about 451. Carsley has once again been immense in a 5, it's about time you gave him some credit. edit: on another note, everyone goes on about how Gravesen couldn't cut at Celtic, yet they never mention the fact that we only have Pienaar on loan because he flopped at his other club and Sociedad were farming Arteta out after only 1 season as he had majorly disappointed as a replacement for Alonso - we both know what great players they are turning out to be. It doesn't always work out for any player at every club he plays for, but Moyes knows how to get the best out of Gravesen. Edited November 27, 2007 by carlmc25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) As for Blue 250's comments, I can see what he is saying - you do go have players you obviously dislike and can't seem to watch without prejudice. You said Carsley was totally past it, had no pace, and that Jags should be playing, you were wrong - like you were about 451. Carsley has once again been immense in a 5, it's about time you gave him some credit. Wrong. I have my favourites like every fan and I have players I don't rate all that highly, sue me. However, that doesnt mean I watch with prejudice. If you'd notice what I said after the Sunderland game you'd see that, I said I couldnt fault any player and Carsley is obviously included in that. Also when Arteta (one of my 'favourites') had a bad patch I criticised him. Give Carsley some credit? What for? Being an average player who does a job? Or being so one dimensional he can only perform in one formation perhaps? At the end of the day we have differing opinions, it's not the end of the world. It's what being a fan on a forum is all about. Edited November 27, 2007 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Give Carsley some credit? What for? Being an average player who does a job? Or being so one dimensional he can only perform in one formation perhaps? He was suberp on saturday, and has played well the last couple of games without being surrounded by Neville who clearly cannot play midfield whatsoever. we all no he aint a class player but in a 4 5 1 cars can do a good job u no that yourself, im the first on his back when he plays poor ill admit that and everyone knows we need a replacement for him whos got a bit of quality about them, but he's been a great servant to the club. I know I havent really answered anything thats just my opinion on Cars. On Tommy, Tommy is a fan favourite you can tell by when he gets up do warm up but if we being honest we need to buy a centremidfielder with a bit more than just " The killer ball " someone who also has a physical presance and is composed on the ball he doesnt have much fitness but he could prove people wrong, I want him to get a chance myself because im undecieded if he's good enough or not but moyes is never going to bring him in while were winning teams week in week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 (edited) on another note, everyone goes on about how Gravesen couldn't cut at Celtic, yet they never mention the fact that we only have Pienaar on loan because he flopped at his other club and Sociedad were farming Arteta out after only 1 season as he had majorly disappointed as a replacement for Alonso - we both know what great players they are turning out to be. It doesn't always work out for any player at every club he plays for, but Moyes knows how to get the best out of Gravesen. Flopped? Hardly. You should check out the facts before you throw that at him. Edited November 27, 2007 by Calico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 Flopped? Hardly. You should check out the facts before you throw that at him. Signed for Borussia Dortmund on a three-year contract from Ajax in Jan 2006. Seen as a replacement Tomáš Rosický...played twenty-five games and scored none. If he was a success they why did they offload him to us? Have no idea how well he played for them but the bare facts suggest he didn't set the place alight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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