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the trolleys in kirkby have gone!

 

i like the stadium design bill, just not the location!

 

The thing that realy scares me about the stadium design is comprimises are always made as the costs inevitably increase so with the very basic first impressions what can we expect when the reality of meeting budget kicks in??

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the Bottom picture has nice cars?

 

 

And also a nice couple at the bottom which is clearly untrue because if it was a stadium in Kirkby they wud all be crying! :D

 

 

In both pictures the Tesco Store looks more impressive than the Stadiums. :)

 

 

the trolleys in kirkby have gone!

 

We have put forward a very good discussion here :D LOL

 

P.S their a re still 4 more differences to find.

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The thing that realy scares me about the stadium design is comprimises are always made as the costs inevitably increase so with the very basic first impressions what can we expect when the reality of meeting budget kicks in??

 

 

I don't like the stadium as it is Liam so if looks even cheaper than it already does once it's built I'm going to despise it :angry:

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In the bottom pic you can see Andy Ven De Meyde waiting outside the shop on the phone in a black jacket and orange shirt, waiting for some lad to bring out his 2 for 1 special on the whiskey from the shop....

 

...on the top pic he is no where to be seen as Tesco is still full price.

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wont be able park on tesco for the match

 

Will they have a Brain Wave Scanner at the Front of the Car Park that can tell wether you are going the match or not and if it detects you are going the match it wont let u in?

 

Problem solved: The Mrs/Mum(for us Young'uns) goes shopping and we go the game ^^

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got a link to information the states that?

 

Common sense. Look at the size of the Vernon Sangster car park and all the other smaller ones plus all the on road parking that goes on around Goodison. Then try to find a space in any Tesco car park on Saturday lunchtime. Completely impossible that you'll be able to use it for the ground.

 

Don't know how it'll be enforced....presenting a receipt from Tesco's at the exit or you get fined maybe....tie that in with possibly a two hour time limit. That'd do it.

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Do a bit of shopping before the game?

 

If it were possible to get away with that then you'd have to get up very early in the morning to get there ahead of the other 20,000 people with the same idea.

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Do a bit of shopping before the game?

 

Am afraid you wud get laughed at mate... especially if we got bea y wud u want to go and get tescos special coke!

 

EDIT: You wud have all the women shoppin so it wud be extra packed :D

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Common sense. Look at the size of the Vernon Sangster car park and all the other smaller ones plus all the on road parking that goes on around Goodison. Then try to find a space in any Tesco car park on Saturday lunchtime. Completely impossible that you'll be able to use it for the ground.

 

Don't know how it'll be enforced....presenting a receipt from Tesco's at the exit or you get fined maybe....tie that in with possibly a two hour time limit. That'd do it.

 

Common sense means absolutely nothing. This is your common sense and not a legal document so saying we will not be able to park is not true nor false until legally documented (a little like quantum computing 1 or 0 until measured).

 

So, again please post a link that clearly states in a proposal that we will not be able to park on the car park.

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What makes you think we will be no different?

 

Why wouldn't it be?

 

Tesco are not going to deter customers from their store because of parking congestion. That is why in the planning application made they distinguished between a 1,000 car park for Everton and KCC use and a 3,500 car park for retail use.

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Common sense means absolutely nothing. This is your common sense and not a legal document so saying we will not be able to park is not true nor false until legally documented (a little like quantum computing 1 or 0 until measured).

 

So, again please post a link that clearly states in a proposal that we will not be able to park on the car park.

 

There will be no link to any legal document because none will exist yet. I'd suggest that common sense and the evidence of existing similar developments along with the unworkability of a parking free-for-all and the total gridlock that it would bring to every game should make it fairly self evident.

 

Added to Tesco's own transport assessment..

 

A mode share target of 55% non-car travel has been set for stadium use, to be

achieved by the implementation of a transport strategy. The strategy includes a

mixture of ‘carrot’ (e.g. reliable and convenient matchday bus services and direct

coach services) and ‘stick’ (limiting parking on and off site) measures. For the

transport strategy to be successful, a matchday Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) must

be implemented and effectively enforced in the local streets around the stadium, at no

charge to local residents.

 

On a match day, the multi-storey car park accessed from Cherryfield Drive will be

dedicated for use by the football stadium, as will 94 spaces below the

Tesco store in the southeast corner of the town centre extension, resulting in

approximately 2,548 parking spaces remaining available for use by visitors to the new

retail units.

 

Reckon you'll have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one of the 94 :) .

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Common sense means absolutely nothing. This is your common sense and not a legal document so saying we will not be able to park is not true nor false until legally documented (a little like quantum computing 1 or 0 until measured).

 

So, again please post a link that clearly states in a proposal that we will not be able to park on the car park.

 

I think your misunderstanding what your role as a 'fan' should be.

 

You should be asking the club to disprove every negative rumour not asking the people who are questioning to prove their sources, it doesnt matter if the fans claim we can or can't use the car park what does matter is if we can't use the car park and the club are hiding that fact to ease public opionion.

 

For your information (and no I dont have a link) the Kirkby residents were reassured that the whole of Kirkby would become a permit parking scheme and all match goers would be expected to use public transport or edge of town park & walk schemes which knowing Kirkby like I do will mean a minimum 1/2 hrs walk. Given that the train station working to a maximum in Kirkby can only coap with 6000 passangers per hour and the officiall club car park will no doubt be mostly staff and corporate than it doesnt look good.

 

This is all of course unconfirmed, not because the questions havent been asked or because Knowsley are withholding information but because the club refuse to confirm or deny most questions put to them.

 

Why are you so for believing the club when they repeatedly refuse to answer the questions put before them??

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What makes you think we will be no different?

 

if fans can park at Tesco then customers cant, so then they sell fuck all and the deal sint so rosey for them then!

 

how will they know if ur goin the game or not thou?

 

probably need a receipt to get back out of the car park

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Why are you so for believing the club when they repeatedly refuse to answer the questions put before them??

 

No I think you misunderstand where I am coming from.

I do not like cloak and daggers approach to a project, information should be out in the air.

What I don't like are fans jumping on the KEIOC bandwagon without any real reason - they hear their mate say they agree with KEIOC then they suddenly "agree" with KEIOC.

Also, I think at time people against the stadium move try to smear any element of the move they can whether it is a good element or not.

 

Anyway, I have my opinion and like to challenge people that come out with sweeping statements with nothing to back them up except opinions or hear say (no not the pop group). :D

 

So my standing is Goodison is old and out of date and as a football club we need a new stadium to progress - where ever that stadium is I will go and watch Everton play.

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I went to the exhibition at St. Georges Hall. I was a little underwhelmed because I'd seen it all before on their website. Why do you reckon they are wankers ?

 

The stadium is not yet confirmed and the plans may fall apart as today Knowsley extended the planning deadline by 3 weeks to give a rival scheme (the one Kirkby residents want) a fair hearing. If the plans are called in then I can see it go ahead because of Kenwright and Leahy's relationship with the Labour party.

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Anyway, I have my opinion and like to challenge people that come out with sweeping statements with nothing to back them up except opinions or hear say (no not the pop group). :D

 

i think that is the problem, there is nothing to back anything up. the club have told us fuck all, and what shite they have told us, they tend to change their mind all the time.

e.g. the stadium is going to be free, the stadium is going to cost £15m, the stadium is going to cost £50m, the stadium si going to cost £100m, the stadium is going to cost £150m.

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How Far will the Stadium be from the Station if the move goes ahead?

 

It's less than a mile BUT it can only handle 4,000 people at the absolute maximum per hour so it's effectively useless. It's the end station on the Northern line but I expect the odd train will be put on to Wigan.

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It's less than a mile BUT it can only handle 4,000 people at the absolute maximum per hour so it's effectively useless. It's the end station on the Northern line but I expect the odd train will be put on to Wigan.

 

 

Im from Southport so Its a fukin twit having to Switch Trains at Sandhills, basically doubles my journey time!!

 

Do you reckon Soccerbus will still be in motion?

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Im from Southport so Its a fukin twit having to Switch Trains at Sandhills, basically doubles my journey time!!

 

Do you reckon Soccerbus will still be in motion?

 

I should'nt worry about that until you know where and when, if ever a new stadium is built.

 

Could be in Kirkby, could be somewhere else, or might still be where it is (Rebuilt), its a bit too early to start worrying.

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Don't know, sorry to hear your from Southport though. ;)

 

Two options, get the train to Sandhills and change to either Kirkby and walk or the Ormskirk line and get a bus.

 

On the Ormskirk line you can get off at Aintree and get a bus that the club will put on from the racecourse direct to retail park.

 

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Puts it into perspective when those travelling by train had four options (Sandhills/Kirkdale to Kirkby, Sandhills/Kirkdale to Ormskirk, Sandhills to Hunts Cross via city centre for Wirral line and Sandhills to Southport). In the new stadium you'll have the one train to choose from.

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I went to the exhibition at St. Georges Hall. I was a little underwhelmed because I'd seen it all before on their website. Why do you reckon they are wankers ?

 

The stadium is not yet confirmed and the plans may fall apart as today Knowsley extended the planning deadline by 3 weeks to give a rival scheme (the one Kirkby residents want) a fair hearing. If the plans are called in then I can see it go ahead because of Kenwright and Leahy's relationship with the Labour party.

 

just all the fliers at the match and stuff. most of them have jumped on the wagon

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The plane that flies over Goodison is a bit pointless, ppl dont just say no to kirkby because a banner says so, need info about why not to. so a 5 letter banner behind a plane aint goin to da any good.

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and the plane too.... so you jump on the bandwagon and you don't know anything about the situation, that to me makes you a bit of a wanker. i admit i don't have all the facts, which is why I have my own independent opinions, but i trust the board aren't idiots, they know more about business than anyone on here.

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cheers mike!

but i dont believe i jumped on the band wagon, im not a KEIOC supporter, but i appreciate what they are trying to do!

i formed my own opinions as well, so i guess that makes us both wankers. but the secrecy from the club formed my opinions, as well as the constant lies, i assume they are lies because if they know that much about business then they would have already known what the stadium will cost before all the different figues they spouted off. a good businessman would know that already, and hiding them lies is a bad way to gain support from your market.

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