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Crouch - "Realistically we're out of the title race now. Arsenal and Manchester United have set the pace and we now have to show respect to Aston Villa and Manchester City because we are in a right battle to get fourth place with them."

Cheeky bastard.

 

Obviously just a slip of the tongue....he clearly meant to say fifth place ;) .

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Gerrard in the press today:-

"We're facing a big challenge to finish in the top four and we've got to forget about the title and focus on fighting for fourth place. There are a lot of teams around us who are in good form and playing well."

 

Pretty fair answer, which makes a change.

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Will liverpool going out of the FA cup help us get 4th as they are on a downer at the moment, or will it mean they can concentrate more on the league?

I think its a good thing as I had sore ribs from laughing all Saturdat evening :thumbsup_still:

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OK, 42 points and fifteen games left.

 

Eight of them at home against Spurs, Reading, Pompey, Wham, Derby, Chelsea, Villa and Newcastle.

 

Two bankers (Reading, Derby) = 6 points.

 

Three slightly more difficult (Spurs, Newcastle, Wham...possibly one slip up) = 6 points

 

Two tricky but we'll still be favourites at home (Pompey, Villa) = 4 points

 

Then Chelsea which we may well take nothing from (being pessimistic) = 0 points.

 

Seven away games at Blackburn, City, Sunderland, Fulham, L'pool, Birmingham and Arsenal.

 

No easy away games but we should win at Fulham, Birmingham and Sunderland (maybe only get a draw in one) = 7 points.

 

Blackburn are sliding, City are beginning to be found out (win one, draw one) = 4 points.

 

Liverpool we get a draw = 1 point.

 

Concede defeat at Arsenal = 0 points.

 

28 more points gained. Finish with seventy which is very likely to be good enough for fourth. Like Bill said, simple :P .

 

Pretty much spot on at the moment (though I say it myself):D:D .

 

Fifty points and eleven games left. On target.

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Afternoon all, Villa fan here

 

Just wondering what you lot think the top 6 is likely to be at the end of the season? General Villa view (not THE General) is that after losing at Fulham and with the games we've got to come, any chance of 4th has gone. Most think we'll finish 6th, and with bloody Spurs winning on Sun and Chelsea falling to bits at the mo, this probably means we're going to the Intertoto :angry:

 

Even worse, if the Albion get to the Cup final they'll be in bloody Europe instead :o

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm happier about the Villa than I've been in at least ten years, it's just that I'm still a bit annoyed about Villa finishing 6th in 04 and having to watch Newcastle, Boro and bloody Millwall in Europe instead of us the year after! If West Brom get in it's going to be a nightmare

 

We'll hang onto Young for the moment if that's alright - but we'll let you have Berger for a very reasonable price! 20 B&H and a bag of steak McCoys sound alright?

 

Failing that, just give us Arteta and Vaughan. You know you want to

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Vaughan's from the Midlands.

 

1 Villa & the others Obv Missed.

 

Yeah, him and bloody Micah Richards!

 

I've seen hardly any of him myself, but my girlf's brother is a Toffee and he rates him

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Afternoon all, Villa fan here

 

Bit concerned that Villa are still winning at Arsenal with only twenty-five minuts left :( . We don't need that.

 

Edit...Bendtner 94 mins, thank fck for that!

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Reading and Birmingham have both won!.......Mind that trap door Bolton!

 

May I suggest a return to your over physical approach against luckypool....You know you want to!......and you know luckypool hate that kinda game.....BUT three points is three points and needs must and all that..........SO!...Get stuck in lads :)

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Looks like Rafa may finally be getting the message on rotation. Taking no chances here...

 

Liverpool

25 Reina

23 Carragher

04 Hyypia

37 Skrtel

12 Aurelio

08 Gerrard

14 Alonso

20 Mascherano

19 Babel

18 Kuyt

09 Torres

 

I don't see any prospect of Bolton taking anything from that XI however physical they get 250 :( .

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Full strength again tonight...

 

25 Reina

17 Arbeloa

37 Skrtel

23 Carragher

06 Riise

08 Gerrard

20 Mascherano

14 Alonso

19 Babel

18 Kuyt

09 Torres

 

Can't really expect them to drop any points from the next three games, home to Wham, Newcastle and Reading.

 

We're just gonna have to keep winning ourselves :) .

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Well thats all we can do. I'd prefer to get 4th on our own merit though and not to just hope the shite drop points. As you said i can't see anything but 9 points from there next 3 games, but you never know. they seem to do stupid things against weaker teams but it seems that rafa has finally started to notice that he has to play his full strength team to win. But you again would hope for 9 points for our next 3 games. Sunderland, Fulham, West Ham. The only thing that could screw us is fatigue or keeping an eye on europe rather than the league. The game against sunderland for example, our lads will probably have an eye on the 2nd leg against fiorentina and could slip up against a side who is getting dragged down into a relagation scrap. If the rest of the season is anything to go by though sunderland will have a goal unfairly ruled offside and we will be denied stonewall penaltys.

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well that does their goal difference a bit of good and puts them in 4th on level games. now it's all down to scoring more points from the same number of games.

 

Anfield will be a huge game, as well Chelsea, Arsenal and Villa. get 3 points from villa and at least 1 point from the other 2 and i'd be pleased.

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concern is that the shite are starting to show some consistency at the moment...

 

if we want 4th we're gonna need some kind of result in each of arsenal, chelsea and rs...

 

our record against the "big 4" is dreadful this season, that's gonna have to change -- if we can't beat them at our top form and with our most promising squad for years, we'll come short again

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Looks like Rafa may finally be getting the message on rotation.

 

Well, you obviously know more than the european cup winning manager, so maybe he was so envious of your footballing achievements that he copied you.

 

Then again...

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Well, you obviously know more than the european cup winning manager, so maybe he was so envious of your footballing achievements that he copied you.

 

Goof grief here we go...where did I say that exactly?

 

Anyway..next three games Liverpool play Newcastle, reading and ManU..

 

While we play Sunderland, Fulham and Wham.

 

So form would suggest that we'll go to Anfield in fourth place, may not happen that way but that would be favourite.

 

Still in our own hands, but Liverpool can say the same thing. Good stuff :P .

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Well, you obviously know more than the european cup winning manager, so maybe he was so envious of your footballing achievements that he copied you.

 

Then again...

 

crap argument.

 

no matter how thrilling an achievement the cl victory a fews years back was, any shite-supporter knows that almost 20 years without a league victory is utterly unacceptable for such a "big" club.

 

so unless the "european cup winning manager" really doesn't give a shit about winning the league, his rotation policy clearly hasn't been the right way to go in trying to stop yet another season go by without a league championship.

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no matter how thrilling an achievement the cl victory a fews years back was, any shite-supporter knows that almost 20 years without a league victory is utterly unacceptable for such a "big" club.

 

so unless the "european cup winning manager" really doesn't give a shit about winning the league, his rotation policy clearly hasn't been the right way to go in trying to stop yet another season go by without a league championship.

 

He's responsible for 4 of those years, not 20 years and the club was in a state when he got it. His rotation policy has won shit loads of silverware and will eventually win the league. It's patronising as fuck for people to say 'he's finally...' to a man like rafa who is so successful.

 

It's like you know better, well you don't. That's why the manager winning the league rotates just as much. It's just that they have better players to bring into the league games.

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4th place!......we don't have to finish in fourth place to avoid a crisis, they do!That could be the spur they need or it could unnerve them....time will tell!

 

Seriously....how can a team with a £25million pound forward, an £18million midfielder, captain fantastic, a bloody good goalkeeper and numerous mega million pound players.....under the watchfull eye of one of Europes best managers and backed by new mega million pound owners........really expect to finish outside the top four?....not to mention probably the bigest squad in the prem!

 

For a team with our limited funds, small squad etc.....how the hell can they not finish above us?

 

To do what Moyes and the boys have done is credit to them and Everton.Semi-final in the league cup.....pushing for top 4....going great in Europe.At times playing some great football, all this with the limits mentioned above!

 

Wherever we finish this season!....may we never appear as desperate as luckypool!

 

Funny really......Fat Raffa could never do what Moyes has done!......build a team with a small purse....buying British players....using local talent, through the youth structure....and do what Moyes has done this season and when he finished 4th a couple of seasons back.

 

4th,5th....or 6th....we've still got our soul......our pride!

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Rafa could never do what Moyes has done!

 

Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't.

 

Maybe Moyes could never win anything with a big club, maybe he could. When Rafa leaves Liverpool, he'll have many massive jobs open to him around europe, Real madrid, ac milan, etc.

 

Moyes has quite a few steps to climb and quite a few trophies to lift before he has clubs like that watching his every move and trying to pry him away every summer.

 

You do make some good points in your post though, we shouldn't be scratching for 4th, that's both credit to you and a discredit to us - we are far better than our points tally says, yet again.

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Funny the timing of Liverpool supporters coming out of the woodwork :lol: . They've hit a little patch of form and matched us for the first time in four months and whoooooosh, faster than a speeding bullet.

 

The fact is that we (and Clattenberg) gave them a significant head start. After ten games they were unbeaten and had twenty points, we had thirteen. They dismiss our current position as, "a decent run of form that has seen you go level with us on points," but that decent run of form has been going on for more than four months now. More than a run imo.

 

We'd have settled for fifth at the start of the season, we're in a very close contest for fourth....not favourites, as DM rightly says (no mind games, just realism...look at the bookies odds).

 

Liverpool wouldn't have settled for fourth at the start of the season.

 

Incidentally, just out of interest, points won after the first ten games. Chelsea have played seventeen, the rest all eighteen...

 

ManU 41

Chelsea 40

Everton 40

Arsenal 39

Liverpool 33

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Mike, you're right but you don't need to tell us we've not been good enough in the league, yet again. We have some special players but have been sloppy at the back, something we've not been guilty of for many seasons (being the team with the most clean sheets the last two years) because we've had to play our 4th and 5th choice centerbacks at times.

 

What I don't get is how we've been so rubbish and you've been so great, yet we are still above you (level on points). It's a matter of perspective, of course.

 

Everton has been growing over the last few seasons and are a very good team, anyone that denies that can't see through their googles. It's just the dismissal of our players qualities that have me baffled, again, I suspect it's more to do with perspective than anything else.

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look at mikes stats...we were as you put it 'runnish' at the start of the season, but have since been 'great' ... and we have been better than you, for most of the season.

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look at mikes stats...we were as you put it 'runnish' at the start of the season, but have since been 'great' ... and we have been better than you, for most of the season.

 

Yes, so great. Still below us but great.

 

We are rubbish yet above you... strange turn of events. Maybe we can be rubbish enough to win the european cup, I hope so.

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We are rubbish yet above you... strange turn of events. Maybe we can be rubbish enough to win the european cup, I hope so.

 

Curiously Charlie if you do a search of this thread you'll find the only person who's referred to Liverpool as rubbish, even ironically (or a Freudian slip perhaps?), is you.

 

Sarcasm doesn't work well when the target is imaginary, comes across more like paranoia.

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In my opinion 4th place depends on 2 factors, The Yak and Torres, if one loses form or gets injured the other will pip 4th place. Its our £11m man against your £26m man!

 

As stated before, we have exceeded expectation this season and RS are well below expectation, whatever happens we have had a good season and you have had a bad...the only question is can you keep 4th place and stop bad becoming disastorous?

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no you don't get it. look below

 

ManU 41

Chelsea 40

Everton 40

Arsenal 39

Liverpool 33

 

We are above you over this period. We were rubbish at the start, but have been great since, you've been inconsistent you might say rubbish but had a head start because of our start.

 

So when you say you've been rubbish and us great, that's not exactly accurate, it's not that simple. we've been rubbish too, so when you say it's a matter of perspective, is it? you're ahead of us on goal difference (don't deserve to be, but that's a different story) we've both been poor at times, we've both been great at times, but at this stage in the season, both having ups and downs we've matched you. not a matter of you being below par or us playing above ourselves or anything like that, it's simply we've pretty much been your equal

always an excuse with RS, we've had bad form or whatever. it's fine when you win a champions league through good fortune, but the moment your rivals are anywhere near you, there's always something that needs saying. few goals in it but the same points, we've matched you, enough said.

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I'm saying that it's perception, you've been going great guns, that's the general perception and we've been absolutely hounded because of how bad we've done (with our massive 3 losses this season).

 

Regardless if this is your level or if you are overachieving in the league, one thing is for sure - we are massively underachieving and the only reason we are not still in the race is because of the inability to turn draws into wins.

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it's fine when you win a champions league through good fortune

 

Well, I'll tell you something, because you clearly don't get it - you don't get to two european cup finals in three seasons through good fortune.

 

That is the most blinkered of all comments (although the jagielka/carsley thing does come close)

 

 

 

but the moment your rivals are anywhere near you, there's always something that needs saying. few goals in it but the same points, we've matched you, enough said.

 

Enough said for you, that's for sure.

 

What needs to be added is that it's only three quarters through the season and you've got to play us at anfield. So if you want the imaginary trophy for getting fourth place, you've got a long way to go and 30 points to fight for.

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then you're not underachieving, you're not good enough. simple

 

No, we're underachieving in the league. That's clear to any fan that doesn't hate the club or harbour any resentment for our achievements.

 

We are above you. We have 10 games to go. Start bragging when you've done something.

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you weren't fortunate last year, but the year you won it were, you're blinkered if you think otherwise

 

and to your latest garbage... why do you always have to bring it back to us, we're doing our own thing and we're pleased with how we're doing, we've not spent ridiculous sums trying to achieve nothing, we're managing something called progress.

 

we're not bragging, we're just please with how the team is coming on. you're 4th, how is that underachieving? you're not as good as the top 3, you're expected to be above the rest, so don't give me that, fact is, you're overrated. you rely heavily on 2 players, and although other teams man united included rely on players, they can still pull out results without them, hence why you're 4th.

 

so i don't think you are underachieving, you're just not as good as you think you are. dirk kuyt plays, do i need to go further.

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....the only reason we are not still in the race is because of the inability to turn draws into wins.

 

Hate to mention it but you managed it at Goodison, with a little help.

And at Villa

And at Derby

And at home to 'Boro

 

And, if you think about it very hard, as every game starts at 0-0, Derby could claim (with just as much credibity as you) that the only reason they're not still in the running for the title is their inability to turn draws into wins.

 

Your logic reminds me of an old song lyric, "I could be a millionaire, if I had the money."

 

And you didn't answer why you started referring to Liverpool as "rubbish."

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I'd rather win a european trophy and finish 5th this year....to be honest!

 

Build on that next season, and push on then for 3rd/4th!......we may have far less money than

the present top 4, but were not exactly far behind them are we?

 

There's a lot of inner turmoil going on at a couple of those above us.......keep our spirit and build on this good season and just see what happens.

 

luckypool fans will never admit the massive amounts of luck they have had over the last few years.....why would they?........would we?

 

Have to smile when they profess to be the best fans around :lol: .....come on!that must go to the fans of teams who have no luck and no money...and no I don't mean us!

 

I think the world is infact seeing their fans as some of the worst and most fickle around....and boy do they need that 4th place!..............we don't!

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Everton manager David Moyes has aimed a swipe at local rivals Liverpool saying he expected them to win the title - or at least finish runners-up - this season.

 

Just hours after returning from the disappointment of losing an Uefa Cup tie to Fiorentina Moyes has to turn his attention immediately to the race for fourth spot in the Premier League.

 

Everton are at struggling Sunderland on Sunday but Moyes heaped more pressure on Liverpool - who moved into fourth by beating West Ham 4-0 in midweek - by underlining the Reds' underachievement this campaign.

 

The Scot, named Barclays manager of the month for February, insists fourth place for Liverpool is a failure for the Anfield club.

 

"I thought Liverpool would finish first or second this season with the additions they made; I felt they would come very close to winning the championship," said Moyes. "I think that it cannot be seen as success if Liverpool finish fourth, if Everton finish fourth then that is success.

 

"But it cannot be seen as success for them. Not for a side who set out to win the title or certainly come second.

 

"They have spent accordingly to win the title, so for them not to qualify for the Champions League is a serious problem, while it would not be for us.

 

"We don't budget for that - maybe in the future we might - but not at present.

 

"We can't really be expected to finish above Liverpool, they are the favourites.

 

"So if you'd said to me that with 10 games to go we would be level on points with them and they would only be ahead on goal difference I would have certainly taken that situation.

 

"I don't even think it is a two-horse race. Aston Villa, Portsmouth, Blackburn and Manchester City can do it. We have been on a terrific run but so have the rest.

 

"There have not been many defeats for that group so I believe it will go all the way to the wire.

 

"Maybe somebody can win seven of the 10 and that would put them right in there with a chance.

 

"We relish the opportunity to try to prove we can be as good or close to the so-called bigger teams. We have done it before, it is not new to us."

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luckypool fans will never admit the massive amounts of luck they have had over the last few years.....why would they?........would we?

 

Every team has had lucky breaks in the past. Dont think we are any different. We were lucky not to concede penos when we beat you this season but so were you last year when Alonso was hacked down and held completely en route to one of your goals. Its not fair sometimes but it does even out.

 

 

 

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4th place is going to be a difficult one and the Derby game at Anfield could well be the difference. A win for either team and it becomes even more tougher for the other one to come back because of the recent form shown in the league by both sides.

 

Europe could be an important factor too. If our teams go out in this coming round, will a lot of built of hopes be dashed such that league form is affected? Or if we move on further into the competition will league form be sacrificed for Europe? Could be an important factor in itself.

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We are not in the same position as you tho Xavier, you are fortunate to be able to rotate and to rest a couple, where as we just have to put (if we can keep them fit) the same eleven on the pitch to play every game. :)

 

God bless Rafa the Rotater. :)

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This Is Our Season!! Go Away Kopites Go And Moan Sumwere Else. Liverpool Are Just Lucky. And The 2 Playeers U Rely On Most Are Divers!! Everythin Alls Goes For You But When You Get A Draw Against Sum1 Like Wigan U Slag The Club Off Till The Hilt Its Sack The Manager Sack Everyone But Wen You Win Its Wev Got The Best Manager In The World. Can I Just Say You Seem To Not Lik These Americans But Alls They Have Done Is Giving Ur Overweight Arrogant Manager Transfer Funds Beyond Belief And Buy You This Stadium!!

 

Liverpool Fans You Dnt No How Lucky You Are!! O And Another Thing U Always Seem To Have This Hunch Were Your Fans Are The Best In The World!! Well If You Had Had The 20 Years Like Everton Have Had You Would Not Have Had Any Fans Left

 

Fickle People Theses Reds

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This Is Our Season!! Go Away Kopites Go And Moan Sumwere Else. Liverpool Are Just Lucky. And The 2 Playeers U Rely On Most Are Divers!! Everythin Alls Goes For You But When You Get A Draw Against Sum1 Like Wigan U Slag The Club Off Till The Hilt Its Sack The Manager Sack Everyone But Wen You Win Its Wev Got The Best Manager In The World. Can I Just Say You Seem To Not Lik These Americans But Alls They Have Done Is Giving Ur Overweight Arrogant Manager Transfer Funds Beyond Belief And Buy You This Stadium!!

 

Liverpool Fans You Dnt No How Lucky You Are!! O And Another Thing U Always Seem To Have This Hunch Were Your Fans Are The Best In The World!! Well If You Had Had The 20 Years Like Everton Have Had You Would Not Have Had Any Fans Left

 

Fickle People Theses Reds

 

 

Does it not get tiresome having to put a capital letter at the beginning of every word?

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It wasn't luck that made Raffa buy Torres!.......it was knowledge of the player and having the funds to buy him (although having the money to buy him is a tad lucky)...so fair play to Raffa.

 

Is it lucky having probably the best (or certainly one of) players of his generation to come through your youth ranks?......could be called luck, but every team has that possibility, look at Rooney!.........(meaning Gerrard)

 

BUT.....The Bolton goalkeeper throwing the ball in last week, just as Bolton were making a game of it.......or the"freak" goal today against Newcastle...to finally break their spirit does I think owe more than just a tad to luck!

 

They certainly seem to get huge amounts of luck and ref's decisions......but I would love just the same to happen to us!So good luck to them!

 

I'd like luckypool to finish 4th...............Everton 3rd......and Chelsea 5th!

 

But we probably just haven't got the money, luck or experience to do that!

 

surely though pound for pound......Moyes and Everton have to be a top team....Smallest squad,

least money, probably (though can't be proved) the hardest done by with decisions ie no penalties and things like AJ's goal against Blackburn.......With all things taken into account, Moyes deserves not just manager of the month but the season!

 

We got rolled over by a very good Italian team in midweek.....get over it, even if we can't get it back at Goodison, then next season we will be one year wiser, and back in europe.

 

To our red friends!.......you will probably get fourth!.......you HAVE to get fourth.But where you've really let yourselves down is with the American owners!......you wanted them when you thought they could BUY you the championship!!!!!........So what the money they gave Raffa for

Torres etc, was not theirs.....that's what Man Utd Yank owners did.....they are going to build you a stadium!......ok!not as flash as you wanted....tough!

 

So When the penny dropped and you realised, that although they had ways of getting money brought into the club!......it wasn't enough to BUY the title within the next couple of years, what did you all do?........Whine, cry, protested, wrote banners, wrote death threats.....to the owners

AND their families.........pleaded for the wonderfull Arabs to come and give you enough money to BUY the title NEXT season!!!!!!!................probably the sickest and saddest episode in football history as yet!

 

Every neutral fan around my way seems to want nothing more than Everton to finish 4th above luckypool.......you've become the most disliked club in Britain.

 

IF........IF the Arab money does come pouring in and you manage to buy a couple of titles and fluke a couple of cups........Then God help English football.

 

I guess Everton will continue to fight and push you all the way.......with Moyes, British and local players.........and will pound for pound still be the best in the Prem!

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This battle looks like it's going all the way to the wire, and even at 8 pts back after our win today Villa aren't out of it yet.

 

Everton's run-in (56 pts, 9 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing - @Fulham, West Ham, Derby, @Birmingham, Newcastle

Any points are a bonus - Chelsea, @Arsenal

Five we "should" win, two we "should" lose.

Key games will be @Liverpool and Aston Villa. But we already knew that. ;)

 

Liverpool's run-in (56 pts, 9 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - Reading, Blackburn, @Fulham, @Birmingham, Man City

Any points are a bonus - @ManU, @Arsenal

Same as us, they have five they "should" win and two they "should" lose.

Key games will be against us (natch) and @Tottenham to end the season.

 

Aston Villa's run-in (48 pts, 10 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - Boro, Sunderland, Bolton, @Derby, Birmingham, Wigan, @West Ham

Any points are a bonus - @ManU

Seven they "should" win and only one they "should" lose.

Their two key games are against us and @Portsmouth next weekend. Birmingham is also a key game of sorts only because, even though they're better on paper, derbys can be so unpredictable (just ask ManU!).

 

All that's based on current form, of course, and three weeks from now we may be looking back on a rash of injuries or bad form for one of these teams and have lowered expectations for them. On the other hand, we could very well see a 70-point team forced to resort to the Intertoto Cup.

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What I find amazing is that we're only ten points off the top of the league.

 

Last year we finished 31points behind United.

In 04/05 we finished fourth 34points behind Chelsea.

 

Stunning progress surely? Our record against all but the "four" must be the best in the league....

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Once again Mike, you got my curiosity up...

 

1. Arsenal: 18-1-7 (W-L-D), 61 points against the other 16.

2. Man U: 18-4-3, 57 points against the other 16.

3. Chelsea: 17-1-5, 56 points against the other 16.

4. Us: 17-3-4, 55 points against the other 15.

5. Liverpool: 15-2-8, 53 points against the other 16.

 

We're 4th-best on that list. But if you take out the above's results against us so that all five teams are comparing strictly against the teams placed 6th or lower, we're tied for 2nd-best against that group.

 

1. Arsenal: 17-1-7, 58 points

2t. Chelsea: 17-1-4, 55 points

2t. Everton: 17-3-4, 55 points

4. Man U: 16-4-3, 51 points

5. Liverpool: 14-2-8, 50 points

 

One other thing I checked that I was curious about: how many times each team has done the double on other teams so far this season. As it turns out, we're currently tied for the lead in that category in most likely the whole league (though I didn't want to get into checking all the other teams - we're definitely tied for the lead among the top five at least)

Man U: 5 doubles so far (vs. Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland, Birmingham, & Fulham)

Everton: 5 doubles (vs. Man City, Boro, Wigan, Sunderland, & Bolton)

Arsenal: 4 doubles (vs. Man City, West Ham, Spurs, & Fulham)

Chelsea: 3 doubles (vs. West Ham, Reading, & Birmingham)

Liverpool: 3 doubles (vs. Sunderland, Bolton, & Derby)

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Knew I could rely on you JD. This...

 

1. Arsenal: 17-1-7, 58 points

2t. Chelsea: 17-1-4, 55 points

2t. Everton: 17-3-4, 55 points

4. Man U: 16-4-3, 51 points

5. Liverpool: 14-2-8, 50 points

 

....is conclusive proof that (as far as the other fifteen teams are concerned) Everton are every bit as big a challenge as the "big" clubs. If we can just get in amongst the others on a regular basis, and we've proved on occasion that we can do it, we can be right up there.

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On a side note, just in case we dont finish in the top 5, there's still a chance of UEFA cup qualification via the UEFA Fair Play league, of which england currently lies top (link). As things currently stand (link), we are 5th in the Premier League fair play table, behind ManU, Tottenham, Shite and Arsenal - who all have/are likely to qualify by other means. That would give the place to us.

 

Something I found interesting about the points system (although I dont see it measured in the premier league fair play table):

 

"Behaviour of the crowd: minimum 1 point, maximum 5 points

Encouragement of teams by shouting, singing, etc. may have a positive influence on the atmosphere. The spectators are, however, expected to respect the opposing team and the referee. The should appreciate the performance of the opposition even if they emerge as the winners. The must in no way intimidate or frighten the opposing team, the referee, or opposing supporters. This item is applicable only if a substantial number of fans of the team concerned are present."

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Just an update on the current situation (was bored and pissed off!); just amended Jd's earlier post and added

Portsmouth & Man city's threats. The injuries/fatigue really afftected us today and i just hope its not the start of

a bad run of form; fingers crossed; come one moyesy you need to get them all fired up and remotivated - hopefully a whole

weeks training should get them all firing again

 

 

Liverpool's run-in (59 pts, 8 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - Blackburn, @Fulham, @Birmingham, Man City

Any points are a bonus - @ManU, @Arsenal

Same as us, they have four they "should" win and two they "should" lose.

Key games will be against us and @Tottenham to end the season.

 

 

 

Everton's run-in (56 pts, 8 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing - West Ham, Derby, @Birmingham, Newcastle

Any points are a bonus - Chelsea, @Arsenal

Four we "should" win, two we "should" lose.

Key games will be @Liverpool and Aston Villa. But we already knew that.

 

 

Portsmouth's run-in (50 pts, 8 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - Wigan, Newcastle, Blackburn, @Boro, Fulham,

Key games will be @spurs this saturday, @ West Ham, @ Man City

 

 

Aston Villa's run-in (49 pts, 8 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - Sunderland, Bolton, @Derby, Wigan, @West Ham

Any points are a bonus - @ManU

Five they "should" win and only one they "should" lose.

Key games are against us and home to Birmingham(derby).

 

 

Manchester City's Run in (48 pts, 8 games left):

Less than 3 points is disappointing (for them) - @Bolton, @Birmingham, @Sunderland, Fulham, @Boro

Any points a bonus - Chelsea, @Liverpool

Key game Portsmouth

 

Given injuries atm I'm getting increasingly nervous about Portmouth's threat as they have a strong squad (including a

rejuvenized Defoe!) and there run-in is the easiest. Even though Shitteh won today can't see them coming close with

the amount of away games they've got against relegation battlers. Discuss..

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