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There isn’t a pack mentality. There are disagreements all over this forum, but when it’s you that someone disagrees with you spend days hammering it home. You think this pack mentality exists, a lot of us have similar views, but it’s you that keeps the argument going. Just pushing it over and over and over. It’s not even worth it. Christ.

I’ll ask again, is this fun for you?

This is the point, Haf. It’s not a discussion. It’s you point scoring your opinions against people to the point of looking up points from over a decade ago about different topics to show how superior you are. That’s not discussion or debate. I don’t know what it’s called, but it’s not jovial, it’s not friendly, it’s fucking hard work even as a spectator. I know for a fact from conversations with other members, it doesn’t encourage more discussion. Seeing one man constantly trying to point score against every and anyone that disagrees is just exhausting. The hardest bit to understand, Haf, is that most of your arguments are not even about your opinion. They are not about how you feel about Dyche, Pickford, Lukaku, or whoever else you don’t like, your arguments are just about you being right and everyone else being wrong. But you don’t even see it. Your opinion on the conversation at hand becomes secondary and your constant need to be the correct opinion is overwhelming. I don’t understand it, I can’t empathise or sympathise with it. I’ve avoided discussion with you for a while now as it’s just not a healthy conversation.

I’ve been here for close to 20 years because it’s fun. But some threads end up like this and it really stops being fun. It can feel like a chore coming here, but we’ve put the work in over the years and it’ll continue. But bickering and knit picking over things from 10-15 years ago to try to gain some sort of intellectual point scoring is not fun in my opinion. You personally, Palfy, will have a disagreement and laugh about it. Me and you have done that so many times, we probably disagree on more things than we agree on. When old posts about Bill Kenwright are being brought up to try to prove Haf is right about Dyche I just don’t understand it. I don’t see how anyone could enjoy coming here to do that. So when I ask if Haf is enjoying this I genuinely mean it. It reminds me of when I take my daughter to the soft play centre (like I will I’m about ten minutes) and there is kid pushing all the other kids over and then crying to his Mum when they don’t want to play with him anymore.

Is this actually fun for you?

If Stones was £50m then inflation alone should push Jarrad closer to £100m, as well as being better than Stones was at this age.

Joao Canceló hates Pep quite publicly.

Chris Long says so? Why didn’t you say so sooner! For fuck sake, one player doesn’t like him. Get a grip. You know who I find difficult and temperamental? Haf!!

Subjective. Plenty of people think he’s likeable.

The irony of discussing toxic behaviour.

Do you think the tumbleweeds might be your fault? Not everyone fancies a constant battle, Haf. It’s draining enough supporting the club without coming on here to read about you trying to prove you know better than everyone else. It’s exhausting.

https://www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-bias

Have you seen the shit show in this thread? I was away for three days, I started reading it and then just wanted to hit delete on the whole thing.

It’s Saturday afternoon, Everton aren’t getting beaten, I can’t be arsed getting into the depths of how badly run the club is. We’ve got a well earned weekend off. But the bit quoted above; I’m not acting like anything. I’ve not commented on your opinion. I’ve just given mine. I’ve not criticised yours. You may think your opinion sounds like you’re against a new stadium, but I’ve not commented on anything about that. Without Moshiri I don’t believe the stadium happens, he may not be the name on the loans but the company he owns is. I believe with a poorer owner we get worse interest rates. That’s just my opinion from seeing how it happened in the past.

That is true, they loaned and borrowed the money (billionaires don’t like to use their own money) but then being so wealthy is what has led to us being able to borrow that money. Our previous owner would have struggled to borrow so much, Moshiri has the wealth to guarantee it. The stadium being built isn’t what has put the club in financial trouble as such, the man pulling the strings has put us in trouble by how the club has been run. Not be building the stadium. It’s the one things he’s got right from start to finish in my opinion.

Quite a few news outlets saying “conditionally approved” for 777, but I’ve not been arsed enough to read them.

This idea they don’t reject is nonsense. They are a board to decide a decision one way or another. The outcome is pass or fail, there will be one. Seems there was a lot of smoke and mirrors with Jim Ratcliffe. From the outside he was signed off in a matter of weeks, but apparently he applied months before and took as long as ours have. So I heard last week (some online news source).

Moshiri/Usmanov are the financial reasons we got it off the ground. Something to be grateful for to a bad owner after he’s gone.

The man is dead, we all have our opinions on him. There is no benefit to anyone in bringing it up again.

Hiring Dan Meis, Laing O’Rourke and Colin Chong is how they got it right. Colin has been the driving force. As he was an Evertonian and worked high up at LoR for a long time before joining the club he is ideal to oversee the project. Amazing what can happen when you hire experts to do things they know best.

A lot of my previous managers are the ones that bring coke for everyone on a staff night out. Not really a culture of going to HR. I handcuffed an apprentice to a bottle of oil once. She carried it around all day. Fun times.