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Great Result, still think our football was far from good, but I'll take any points right now. I'd be angry if I was Forest on the penalties. The 1st one I think is 50/50. The 2nd could easily of been given handball and 3rd was a pen for me. Tbf we've had similar penalty shouts this season and not got them. How Ashley Young wasn't taken off is completely beyond me as was his even starting the match. We just have to get to the end if this season still in the PL and reset. With a few high wages off the books in the summer we have a good chance to properly rebuild.

Wow! I thought they just got a pair of Dice out, rolled them and went with result and then laughed and slapped themselves on the back about what a great deliberation they had as they no doubt got a big cheque for their work as well!

GET ASHLEY YOUNG OFF THE F'ING PITCH!!! sorry, really needed to get that out my system.

I reckon it's 3 at the back with Young and Myko wingbacks

All I want for this season is we stay up, get new owner/sort finances out and get stadium finished. Some ridiculous big earners should also be off the books (holgate/gomes). That gives us the platform we need to come back to our best. Don't care whether its 0, 6 or 10 points as long as the outcome at the end of the season is we stay up.

Jack Harrison has made such a difference since coming on for Young. Should have happened at half-time. So much more energy and much better delivery on crosses.

This.

You seem a bit on the fence about the kit mate. Can't you be a bit clearer about whether you like it or not?

RIP Bill and condolences to Patto and the rest of Bill's family.

I reckon Harrison behind DCL and Dacoure in mid with Gana

If we'd beaten Brighton what's the bet the deduction would have been 12 points? This all stinks to high heaven.

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That kick in the balls as opposed to the punch in the face is looking more appealing each day this goes on for.

But Can he? Or is he having Uzun?

Now about Blue Bill being not such a bad bloke after all....

No there doesn't seem to be any other option. The choice of staying as we are or being bought by 777 is a bit like asking me if I want to be kicked in the balls or punched in the face.

Bottom to Middle table mediocrity is it for the foreseeable future then. There's only really Tottenham as a top half team (but still won nothing) that is run as a successful business. At least its probably better than where we are today, but far from ideal to me.

Some good news at last!

Well we managed just about an hour of positivity to dwell on!

You're probably right Matt overall. That Arsenal match had me really deflated though. We looked exactly like we did under Fat Sam. It is one match in isolation though and not fair on Dyche overall.

Well I'm certainly not enjoying the return to Sam Allardyce defensive football at the moment. However, I've just looked up that the Bundesliga has only had 12 different clubs win it since 1963. Not exactly a great model for every club having a chance to win it. I think I'm just bitter that I think we had our shot with a large amount of money to invest with Moshiri and we completely fucked it up. A club like Newcastle now gets to learn from us exactly how not to do it and with a manager we aledgedly overlooked a number of times.

I agree. However, would you describe the Bundesligue as entertaining, globally appealing and won by a variety of clubs every year?

I think this js great in Theory. In practice I just don't see it working or happening. The admin of this is a huge overhead and would take a lot to set-up. As this forum demonstrates daily (as it should), different fans have different views on how things should be done on everything the club does on and off the pitch. When you're putting your own money in to something most people will expect to have more of a say. Co-ordinating the clarity of a collective single fan voice would be a nightmare. Could you imagine let's say £50M for players is raised through your model. Who decides how it gets spent? Fans would not agree on a single amazing player vs 3 prospects. If the 3 prospects turn out to be crap and if the single amazing player gets 8njured in his first match, how long before your average fan stops the subscription payment? How do you forecast subscription levels 3 or 4 years out to see what player wages you can afford for players? It becomes very easy to spend beyond your means if subscription levels drop for any reason. I think the German league has a part fan ownership mandated? But I think this is always a minority stake and is mainly there to have a voice as opposed to raise investment? We need serious investment and money and I don't think your model above would raise enough on its own. I would seriously be elated to be proven wrong.

As I've said previously in this thread back on August 14th... The 777 model is to drive additional revenue through the fan base. 777 also own insurance companies, credit companies etc. They're looking for fans to buy Everton branded insurance etc. Our revenue through sponsorships etc. ranks very well (8th best I think) given where we've finished in league in recent seasons. We're regarded as performing well here. I fully expect season tickets, items purchased at the ground and for these Everton branded products to be pushed at us through membership and websites etc. Success needs money to invest. Money to invest for football clubs either comes from sugar daddy owners or the fans. The global size of fanbase ultimately drives sponsorship revenues . Global fanbase primarily grows based on success. So it's sugar daddy or fans. I'd suggest Man City, Newcastle, Chelsea are your sugar daddy model and Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham are your fan funded model. Which is it you want?