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Fair enough I’ve had a shocker with regards to the ground but you have not shown any context to the comment 
I think it was in response to you saying he was worse than Peter Johnston and at least my response was based on actual facts not rumours 
That’s the last I will say on BK because as I said I can’t be arsed to go back over it all other than to say IMO he was nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be 
I’m sure if I had the time or the inclination to trawl through 15 years of your posts I could  find plenty of howlers you’ve made but I’ve got better things to do with my life
I have a different opinion to you on a lot of things get over it

Fair enough I’ve had a shocker with regards to the ground but you have not shown any context to the comment 
I think it was in response to you saying he was worse than Peter Johnston and at least my response was based on actual facts not rumours 
That’s the last I will say on BK because as I said I can’t be arsed to go back over it all other than to say IMO he was nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be 
I’m sure if I had the time or the inclination to trawl through 15 years of your posts I could  find plenty of howlers you’ve made but I’ve got better things to do with my life
I have a different opinion to you on a lot of things get over it

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Whether there was a personal attack in the Dyche incident we cannot be sure, that depends on what story you believe, it happened or it didn’t happen. 
But on here it has started to descend into personal attacks on the differing opinions, and I don’t find that healthy or helpful for the discussion 🤷‍♂️
I get frustration when you believe you are 100% right, and someone else refuses to accept your opinions, but where we can we need to try and keep it civil and on point. 

Some things never change
Matt was the snivelling apologist it seems.
"Apologist" in Haf-speak is anyone who didn't want the man dismembered in front of the Gwladys.

Haf you seriously need to get over yourself, it’s attitudes like yours that got the Buffoon Union laughed out of town
You constantly peddle rumours as facts to suit your agenda the swiftly resort to name calling as soon as anyone disagrees with you
This started with a none story about Dyche allegedly slapping Patterson on the head and you’ve shifted target to BK so you can’t start saying I told you so , sometimes I think you are delighted that things are going badly so you can revel in it
Show me a single post where I have apologised for BK
I don’t want to go over all the BK bollocks again but IMHO he was not the evil, lying parasite you make him out to be
Did he make mistakes? Most definitely but I honestly believe he always made decisions he believed were right for the club 
Why do all ex players and staff , people with actual knowledge of the inner goings on of the club speak so highly of him?
Moshiri is the main reason we are in this mess and his failings dont suddenly make all the shite you have spouted over the past 10 years  right and factual
Its a forum mate, we are allowed to have a different opinion to you
 
 

Haf you seriously need to get over yourself, it’s attitudes like yours that got the Buffoon Union laughed out of town
You constantly peddle rumours as facts to suit your agenda the swiftly resort to name calling as soon as anyone disagrees with you
This started with a none story about Dyche allegedly slapping Patterson on the head and you’ve shifted target to BK so you can’t start saying I told you so , sometimes I think you are delighted that things are going badly so you can revel in it
Show me a single post where I have apologised for BK
I don’t want to go over all the BK bollocks again but IMHO he was not the evil, lying parasite you make him out to be
Did he make mistakes? Most definitely but I honestly believe he always made decisions he believed were right for the club 
Why do all ex players and staff , people with actual knowledge of the inner goings on of the club speak so highly of him?
Moshiri is the main reason we are in this mess and his failings dont suddenly make all the shite you have spouted over the past 10 years  right and factual
Its a forum mate, we are allowed to have a different opinion to you
 
 

Haf you seriously need to get over yourself, it’s attitudes like yours that got the Buffoon Union laughed out of town
You constantly peddle rumours as facts to suit your agenda the swiftly resort to name calling as soon as anyone disagrees with you
This started with a none story about Dyche allegedly slapping Patterson on the head and you’ve shifted target to BK so you can’t start saying I told you so , sometimes I think you are delighted that things are going badly so you can revel in it
Show me a single post where I have apologised for BK
I don’t want to go over all the BK bollocks again but IMHO he was not the evil, lying parasite you make him out to be
Did he make mistakes? Most definitely but I honestly believe he always made decisions he believed were right for the club 
Why do all ex players and staff , people with actual knowledge of the inner goings on of the club speak so highly of him?
Moshiri is the main reason we are in this mess and his failings dont suddenly make all the shite you have spouted over the past 10 years  right and factual
Its a forum mate, we are allowed to have a different opinion to you
 
 

To deny the allegations is surely something to talk about. 
 
There’s always a discussion to be had, sometimes you just have to open up your mind and search for it. And seagulls still follow the trawler in the hope of finding some fish 🎣 

Haf you seriously need to get over yourself, it’s attitudes like yours that got the Buffoon Union laughed out of town
You constantly peddle rumours as facts to suit your agenda the swiftly resort to name calling as soon as anyone disagrees with you
This started with a none story about Dyche allegedly slapping Patterson on the head and you’ve shifted target to BK so you can’t start saying I told you so , sometimes I think you are delighted that things are going badly so you can revel in it
Show me a single post where I have apologised for BK
I don’t want to go over all the BK bollocks again but IMHO he was not the evil, lying parasite you make him out to be
Did he make mistakes? Most definitely but I honestly believe he always made decisions he believed were right for the club 
Why do all ex players and staff , people with actual knowledge of the inner goings on of the club speak so highly of him?
Moshiri is the main reason we are in this mess and his failings dont suddenly make all the shite you have spouted over the past 10 years  right and factual
Its a forum mate, we are allowed to have a different opinion to you
 
 

Haf you seriously need to get over yourself, it’s attitudes like yours that got the Buffoon Union laughed out of town
You constantly peddle rumours as facts to suit your agenda the swiftly resort to name calling as soon as anyone disagrees with you
This started with a none story about Dyche allegedly slapping Patterson on the head and you’ve shifted target to BK so you can’t start saying I told you so , sometimes I think you are delighted that things are going badly so you can revel in it
Show me a single post where I have apologised for BK
I don’t want to go over all the BK bollocks again but IMHO he was not the evil, lying parasite you make him out to be
Did he make mistakes? Most definitely but I honestly believe he always made decisions he believed were right for the club 
Why do all ex players and staff , people with actual knowledge of the inner goings on of the club speak so highly of him?
Moshiri is the main reason we are in this mess and his failings dont suddenly make all the shite you have spouted over the past 10 years  right and factual
Its a forum mate, we are allowed to have a different opinion to you
 
 

Conversation about tabloid press credibility and you bring it round to Kenwright and it's not deflection?
"Deflection is often used in arguments as a way to shift focus away from oneself and onto another person or issue. People commonly divert the pressure from themselves by changing the subject, pointing out someone else’s flaws or presenting unrelated information to distract from the main issue at hand."
Like I said, textbook.
As an aside, I do/did have a different opinion of Bill to you, but I'd be very interested if you could find an example of me "falling for" his lies. I'm here all day.

Agenda? Haha, The irony isn't lost on me..... the end of a long, incompetent, trophyless decline culminated in our board led by a chairman who a few on here blindly trusted - ended essentially due to false allegations of a headlock by a fan on our CEO. All put out there by his most trusted spin doctor. 
it was of course met with silence by the usual apologists who previously quibbled over the facts of whether indeed our board were well paid as much as reported. Allegedly ingles was indeed a solid cfo, DBB worked here way up to being little miss dynamite - all hired by the bloke they blindly supported despite a history of lies.
 
yet here we are disputing the severity of a slap from a manager to a player.  Maybe Nathan may feel that he can no longer attend games for fear of his safety.
 

Something that suits Haf’s agenda

Getting a feeling you don't like him, Haf...

You know that how?
I took the degrading step of actually opening the fail site to read the article, and there was no mention at all of alcohol.
What there was was, "Mail sport has learned" (no source) blah blah "Dyche is understood (by who? Again no source) to have apologised to Patterson." BLAH BLAH "...caused a stir among fellow restaurant diners." (none of whom felt the need or inclination to talk about it apparently).
Can't believe how ridiculous this thread has got, everyone believing without question a highly dubious report, but not only that, going off into fantasy land to embellish it.
Love a bit of drama don't we
 
 

He’s always had a problem with Patterson as a player, that’s why we have seen a poor Godfrey being shoehorned as a RB, now it would appear his dislike towards Patterson has become personal, or was it always a personal problem he’s had with Patterson, and manifested itself in public after too much sun and vino. 
A bully will always show their true colours eventually, bye Dyche and drop your keys off on the way out. 
You won’t be missed your long game was shit anyway, and 5 points out of possible 33 should have been what got you the bullet, but ABH on a player is unacceptable and for that you should be dismissed and ashamed.  

I still think he is the perfect man for the job given the circumstances and I really don’t see those circumstances improving, they may well get even worse, for the foreseeable future
He is the first manager to get a tune out of these players for years but people seem to forget that. I think we had a very good first half of the season but given how threadbare the squad  is, not Dyche’s fault, I think it was inevitable we would struggle over the festive period anyway. And that is before you factor in all the off field issues, the run of fixtures and the points deduction
Is it really any wonder that it’s knocked the confidence out of the side?
We need to break this cycle of changing managers every year, that’s what has got us in this mess in the first place
If people want to throw stats about and completely ignore the context surrounding them then that is up to them but thankfully Dyche still appears to have the support of those that matter, the players and Thelwell
 

I totally get your frustration, we all feel the same, but yes I honestly would give him the rest of the season and all of next season even if we go down
We can’t just keep sacking managers every 12 months at some point we have to just bite the bullet and give a manager time and I think we are way beyond that point 
I’ve seen enough improvements under him already despite the unparalleled turbulent conditions he is being forced to operate under to suggest he is the right man for the job
Once the club is back on an even keel, which isn’t going to happen until we have started to reap the benefits of the additional income that BMD will hopefully bring in then we can revisit the managerial situation
If Dyche proves he can evolve then great if not then we can look at other options
 

I totally get your frustration, we all feel the same, but yes I honestly would give him the rest of the season and all of next season even if we go down
We can’t just keep sacking managers every 12 months at some point we have to just bite the bullet and give a manager time and I think we are way beyond that point 
I’ve seen enough improvements under him already despite the unparalleled turbulent conditions he is being forced to operate under to suggest he is the right man for the job
Once the club is back on an even keel, which isn’t going to happen until we have started to reap the benefits of the additional income that BMD will hopefully bring in then we can revisit the managerial situation
If Dyche proves he can evolve then great if not then we can look at other options
 

I still think he is the perfect man for the job given the circumstances and I really don’t see those circumstances improving, they may well get even worse, for the foreseeable future
He is the first manager to get a tune out of these players for years but people seem to forget that. I think we had a very good first half of the season but given how threadbare the squad  is, not Dyche’s fault, I think it was inevitable we would struggle over the festive period anyway. And that is before you factor in all the off field issues, the run of fixtures and the points deduction
Is it really any wonder that it’s knocked the confidence out of the side?
We need to break this cycle of changing managers every year, that’s what has got us in this mess in the first place
If people want to throw stats about and completely ignore the context surrounding them then that is up to them but thankfully Dyche still appears to have the support of those that matter, the players and Thelwell
 

I still think he is the perfect man for the job given the circumstances and I really don’t see those circumstances improving, they may well get even worse, for the foreseeable future
He is the first manager to get a tune out of these players for years but people seem to forget that. I think we had a very good first half of the season but given how threadbare the squad  is, not Dyche’s fault, I think it was inevitable we would struggle over the festive period anyway. And that is before you factor in all the off field issues, the run of fixtures and the points deduction
Is it really any wonder that it’s knocked the confidence out of the side?
We need to break this cycle of changing managers every year, that’s what has got us in this mess in the first place
If people want to throw stats about and completely ignore the context surrounding them then that is up to them but thankfully Dyche still appears to have the support of those that matter, the players and Thelwell
 

Because if you put it in terms of games then it doesn’t go with the narrative they are trying to push out