RuffRob

could have wrote that myself. This season 'horribilus' just has to now play itself out in the terrible state we are in both on and off the pitch from both our own doing and outside influences on the club. A whole season dogged by PSR and a somewhat questionable takeover. Given the crap going on around the place - changing manager etc would be nothing more that a coin flip at best, why waste the money or have another mangerial change chalk up against the club. May as well be seen as a club who now give the manager every chance to turn shit around. Also why pay a manager off and simply let them off the hook. It fuck all to do with playing style now, all about grinding out results to get over the finsh line.

A sad as it is, I agreed. Spurs are a football business and not a mental health charity. I am sure Dele would love to stay on at Everton if we have indeed been well supporting him this year in particular, but unlike any other club this summer, its actually going to cost us to sign him. It sounds like his head is in the right place, addictions under control and has new appitite for the game. Given his level was argubley the best attacking midfeilder in the world 5 years ago, he could still be a very good player. A very good Dele (rather than world class) is definately worth £10M - considering talk of Harrison being £20M. However, it's not just his mental health now, he has also been out with significant physical injury. I imagine it would be down to the wages we would have to pay on a new contract - Think we would have to be talking 50% pay cut, to help offset. I would have said time to keep away from players like this, but with him already being at the club the settling in to the club and area has already been done. A conversation for the end of the season when we are hopefully still a PL club and under new ownership who have a more focused plan.

Sod law will be that he can sign and play for free for any club in the World when his contract expires - except for Everton, as there will be something in the contact that if we offer him a new contract -Spurs get a decent wedge from us, be it the £10m for 20 games or possibly even more for a contract extension clause . When he does sign for somebody else on a reduced wage he will then obviosely go on to be the player he once was. I would definately like to see a Dele at or close to his best playing in an Everton shirt.

If they can turn us from a financial fuck up to a potential cash cow of a club - all credit to them. Aren't we looking for somebody to unlock our 'potential'. Then they will have done a significantly better job than anybody else in the past +20years. The main thing that has been wrong with Everton is its been poorly run at the top ownership level - so why wouldn't they favour sorting our how the club is run and managed in the first instance rather than selling tangible assets for what would most likley have to be sold cheaper than what they have just raised the funds to purchased - the sum of its parts are not worth as much as Everton as a whole . 777 are doing the exact opposite of selling asset at Genoa - they are buy and looking to improving them there. I would be looking at what they are doing in Genoe (the current biggest football club in their portfolio) to mabye get the best idea of what they might do with us, rather than speculation on what the doom mongers are writing about. To me there are easier less risky ways to turn a quick buck than buying a football club. I really don't think thats what this buy out is all about. I am aware of the warning signs and all the negative stuff thats out there about them, but I want to be causiuosely optomistic about 777 Partners as it looks highly likley that they will be the new owners. I don't want to focus on negatives before they have even stepped foot in the building - been nothing but negatives about this club for far to long. I am not nieve, and I realise it's all about making money. The best way to make money - and big money in football is to make the club and everything around it better and grow the Everton brand. I think 777 Partners see us very much as a sleeping giant and believe they can awake that giant and bring us in to the modern footballing arena to the benefit to both shareholder and fans alike. isn't that what we all want as fans from a owner? I don't have a problem with that - smart, current and innovative people running the show is what this club need more than anything and I think this is what 777 Partners beleive they can bring to the show to get best value out of purchasing Everton. If 777 Partners are pulling together the best part of a billion to aquire us, then we will be getting the upmost attention and efforts from their very best people. This mob are going to be about running us effectively rather than chucking money at problems. We have had autocratic leadership at this club for to long, individuals who think they know best in running a football club making all key desision, and doing it badly - time to go for a more democratic and stratigic leadership. This cup has the potential to be just as much half full as it is to be half empty.

I hear a lot of scare mongering about what 777 Partner are going to do once they aquire us. Everton are not a cash cow, our revenue is pretty poor in PL terms for anybody at the moment and I don't see how a 'quick buck' is going to be turned by buying something for more that it's potentially worth, and then 'selling off' the best part of the business. Evertons biggest issue over the past 5-6 year (and beyond) is that its not been properly run as a world class PL footballing business. To me surly the best way to make money out of a poorly run football club is to actually run the club properly and increase the Everton brand globally. We have seen club run by some very nieve owners who have thrown money around all over the place, with it pretty much all wasted. I am fairly sure 777 Partners will.be putting their top sports business people to work on the Everton project. It will not be about how much money they can throw at the project, I will be about making Everton a good or great footballing business. Although, I say it with a degree of caution, I think the 777 Partnership takeover has the potential to improve this club massively - time for new blood and new approach.

makes sense to do that - can't go in to the final round of games not knowing what is needed. I fucking hope we don't need to go to Arsenal needing any sort of result!!.

unfortunately that's a big only. it's go to the point now that teams smell blood around Everton. Forest and Luton will be look at us winnable games. fucking hell do we miss Gana when he doesn't play.

it's fucking so sad our business is being conducted in this way. I really really hope 777 Partners are able to make a go of it with us. For all their perceived faults, they do at least seem like an entity who actually have some faith and vision in the Everton brand. They really do seem to be keen to get this deal over the line. I don't seem to be seeing any sort of faith elsewhere else. which is worrying in itself.

We that was well and truly a thrashing. This team's confidence is at rock bottom. Everything to do with this club at the moment saps the joy and enthusiasm out of fans. A reaction to tonights performance is a must against Forest. This team have to show something for the fans to react positively too next weekend. I fear it's shit or bust for this team. If the fans turn on player, I don't think they have the character to deal with it as we would need. we desperately need to see a win on Sunday.

well that's me pretty much £20 ligher . I am hating the red shite even more this afternoon as I had them nailed on to beat Palace.

I was kind of thinking the very same thing. Moshiri (Usmanov) where the billionaire's who have own the club over the past 6 years or so and they have had both plenty of time and the resources to restructure RMF financing under their watch.This debt wasn't an issue 3-5 years ago when money was being wasted left right and centre on bang average players. There have been poor decisons going back many a year, which all just seem to compound themselves. We have had plenty of back luck on the way mind you, but much of our trouble are bourne of poor decision making. My personnal take on this - modern football clubs need to be run by modern global sport focused business people and it has been for sometime, 'romantic' local owners are simply out of their depth in the PL era, however well their intentions might be. I think Kenwright thought he was going to get the next Abramavich (via Moshiri) for the club when he sold his shares - but that dream slowly turned in to a nightmare and culminated into a total cluster fuck once Usmanov's ability to invest was forced out of the equation and now Moshiri is scurrying off behind him and simply trying to get as much of his money back as he can. The whole thing is a financial mish mash now Moshiri simply wants out.

If we hadn't had 8 points deducted this season, and we where already pretty much safe (since pretty much Xmas) around mid-table (rather than in a relagation battle), you can't help but wonder if the 777 Partners would have found it significantly easier in raising the funds for purchase of Everton FC had we already had one foot in next years PL. Ground broken and comittment to the build made and then the overnight enforced loss of the actual Russian billionarie who we all know was behind the ownership of the club and the real money behind everything, three years of relegation battles, 18months of talk of PSR, whole season of being charged and docking of points, 30-40% raise in the cost of construction works - as well as poor management there are some massive slices of very bad luck in the timing of what is arguble the single biggest investment the club has ever made - all now currently now being done on a rudderless ship. I am going to hazard a guess that the stadium will possibley come in around £150 to 200M over the original budget forcast.

the real prolem with Everton at the moment is their is just to much dust in the air around the place at the moment. Point deductions crap and another relegation battle (so not 100% what league we will be kicking off in next season) - massive different in the value of a Prem club to a EFL club, stadium three quarters built and another season to negosiate before we actually move in, massive loans with three different entities, limbo of who will eventually own us. If nothing else 777 Partners coming in should provide a period for the dust to settle. I am pretty sure given the size of the Everton purchase for them, we will be getting the attention of their very best people in working on making Everton a signifcantly better brand - and that is kind of what football is all about now. We can move forward at all until this happen. I also think saleable players will be sold well before there would be any thought of a stadium sale. The Stadium is (or is about to be) the Everton crown jewel. Players are always replacable.

although, when the story came on in detail it said they will not be defending their title next season as 777 are pulling their funding. Can't even fund a women's basketball team!!! back to doom and gloom!!!

https://www.thelondonlions.com/news/a-statement-from-777-partners just on the news tonight that Women London Lions basketball team have tonight become the first British bb team to every win the Euro Cup. plenty of dòom and gloom stories about 777 Partnership, but this appears to be a bit of a feather in there cap. it has fuck all to do with their finances, but perhaps shows that maybe they do have something about them.

and today's bad news is that the entity who have spent the last 7 month trying to buy the club basically don't have enough money. not the most of moral boosting of weeks is it?

the lions share of the stadium is now compleate - so I would hazard a guess that the biggest bills have been paid. The stadium will get finished. Reading a recent article on 777 Partners as the owners of Genoa, 777 are working on ensuring they acquire the ownership and rights to their home stadium from the local authority, seeing it as a pivital way to generate revenue. The are looking to invest £100m in upgrading the venue to UEFA grade IV category standard and so non sporting event can be staged there. They want visitor to the Genoa stadium to be spend a hour before and an hour after event in and around the venue location spending and generating extra revenue. The article on what they are currently doing at Genoa is a interesting read. I really don't see 777 Partners selling off the stadium and then them and Everton just feeding of the crumb. Short term to get the deal over the line possibley maybe (5 years or so). I think the new stadium is a massive draw to 777 Partners - it will be the cornerstone of how this club gets turned around.

Exactly this. The amount of points we have been deducted is quite astounding for the serverity of what Everton have actually done. If we do end up getting relegated it will be these 8 points deducted that take of us down. I have said it before this points deduction debarcle that we have endured all season have been like a tractor beam that has constantly pulled the team in to the relegation battle. We have a bit of breathing space of a 4 point gap on Sunday - boom we are back to being one defeat way from falling in to a relegation zone. Being in a relegation fight brings its own anxiaty and stress to footballing squad, and we have been artificially pulled into it most of the season. I really think the stress of it all on the playing and management over pretty much the whole 23/24 season has quite easily cost us 5-6 more points (maybe more).

The odds I have been following had us at 5/1 before this afternoons announcment - and now we are 4/1. That would suggest the 2 point deduction was on the harsh side.

I would have though we should have got more than 2 points knocked off due to 'double jeaperdy' or maybe 1 also knocked off for the clubs intent to reduce spending on player trading and wages along with the Ukraine war effect. Para 100.5 suggest Everton would have taken a 1 point deduction. There was plenty of ways the Commison could have got the sanction to 1 point. We would have accepted this. I am pretty disappointed with 2 as I saw that at the maximum we would probabley get.

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2024/04/08/eef5f482-4d3a-473a-9e38-26f995059377/Premier-League-v-Everton-Decision-FY23.pdf I have read it as - 3 points deduction for a breach plus 2 point deduction for the magnitute of the breach, deemed 'modest' rather than signficant (£16.6m). So before mitigation factors we have been given 5 point deduction. (Paragraph 180 then 187) less 2 points becasue of the fact we have already been penilised in over part of this 3 year accounting period (para 206) and less 1 point for an early plea to PSR breach (Para 260) So final deduction of 2 points. We got no consideration for the fact the USM sponsership go pulled due to UK sanctions of Russians or any other financial hit like anything argued towards the stadium. We got no consideration for 'exceptional co-operation' - our co-operation level was the 'level expected'. We also go no consideration from a sustainable 'New Recruitment Stratergy' that has been implemented at the club.

I agree totally. It has been exhausting the turmoil both on and off the pitch has been awful and never ending. Feel like punch bag of a fan base. I fans have had if far the worst. We all know what a shambles the club has been run internally - (the details of which we have endlessly debated), but as we slowly start to get out own house in order with removal of the board and change in owner. The PL come along and well and truly put the boot in to the Everton fan base. We have suffered our own poor ownership and management and are now the club suffering the most from the PL's own poor management and misgivings. Like you said we deserve a fucking break from it all.

when you look back to forests 4 points, I think we have already been harshly treated with the 6 we have already had taken off us. It will be a real kick in the teeth to loose more points this season. We should be sitting in a relatively relaxed position of 35 points with 7 games to go. Instead we are on a very uncomfortable 29 points, sweating on us having the 4 points earn taken this past week off us. 1) The commision have a straight forward get out clause to give use zero points this time around - 6 points penalty (less 4 becasue we have been penilised for 2/3) plus 2 point off for being helpful (as Forest go). So 0 points deduction. Given we got a harsh 6 points last time, then a generouse 0 this time around would be fairer balance overall. A outside possibility, but I don't see this happening 2) or 6 points (less to 2 points for being helpful), so 4 the same as Forest. Then factor in the 2/3 of the period already having been punished, so 1/3 being - 1.22 points - do they round to 1 point or take the 0.22 as a point as well - A case for 1 or possibly 2. 3) The give us exactely the same as Forst - substancial beach but we worked with the PL and they take no notice of the fact we have already been punished for two of the three years - 4 points - this would be very harsh. 4)All of our disclaimers on why the account are over this period (lost sponsorship due to Ukraine, Stadium costs etc) are upheld by the commission and we are found to be exhonorated of the charge in this accounting period. 0 points. My gut feeling is we will get 1 point deduction based on arguement 2) and would only get 0 points if 4) us upheld.

because some of us are dyslexic and are just not great at reading and writing, particularly spelling. had people take the piss since i was a school.kid, trying to make me feel stupid if I make a mistake, from both teachers and other kids. Must be great to be so clever. answer you question?

I might have a cheeky £20 on Palace - at 25/1. Palace have only taken a total of 11 points from the 14 teams above them (if you also include us - with the 6 point we have lost) so far this season.) 19 points has come from the bottom 5 teams, we 12 of their points coming off the bottom two teams. All Palace's remaining games are against teams above them (many who are chasing a european spot), new manager does not really seemed to have changed much results wise, fourth worst goal difference, one of the players getting pelters today for swapping his shirt with Harland at half time!!! In 2 or 3 games time they might find themselves right in the mix. I fancy Brentford to finish higher than Palace. So see Palaces odd tumbling next weekend if Liverpool beat them at Anfeild next week and the Bees win their home game against the Blades - I just think 25/1 is generous this evening for a team in pretty poor form. If Luton do rally for the run in (massive win for them today after being a goal down), it wouldn't surprise me to see Palace drawn into the final day survival battle if it comes to it.