Shukes Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 15 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I feel the same way about him that I did Walcott and wilshere. We should be aiming for better than arsenal castoffs if we want to surpass arsenal. He’s a first team player and arguably there best player. We won’t get him because here will be a queue of champions league teams for him. Hes a cut above anything we have. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Ramsey would be a massive step up for us in midfield. Very creative and great technical ability. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 7 goals and 10 assists. In comparison Gana and Davies both only got 2 goals and assists each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, pete0 said: 7 goals and 10 assists. In comparison Gana and Davies both only got 2 goals and assists each. he doesn't play that far back. he plays where gylfi play or out on the left or right. compare him with richarlison and walcott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: he doesn't play that far back. he plays where gylfi play or out on the left or right. compare him with richarlison and walcott. Or play him with all three and have 1 DCM though it sounds like Gomes will play that role, it’d be good to have competition of such high standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: he doesn't play that far back. he plays where gylfi play or out on the left or right. compare him with richarlison and walcott. Ozil plays there for Arsenal. Ramsey is more box to box. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 hours ago, pete0 said: Ozil plays there for Arsenal. Ramsey is more box to box. you must not watch them, ozil plays on the left like he did at madrid and like silva does for city. ramsey plays as the 10 in the middle. he doesn't play dropped back, that's xhaka. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: you must not watch them, ozil plays on the left like he did at madrid and like silva does for city. ramsey plays as the 10 in the middle. he doesn't play dropped back, that's xhaka. He's predominantly central. Up to Jan this year Arsenal had Ozil behind the striker and Sanchez on the left. https://www.transfermarkt.com/aaron-ramsey/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/50057 Ozil has played mostly behind the striker https://www.transfermarkt.com/mesut-ozil/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/35664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, pete0 said: He's predominantly central. Up to Jan this year Arsenal had Ozil behind the striker and Sanchez on the left. https://www.transfermarkt.com/aaron-ramsey/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/50057 Ozil has played mostly behind the striker https://www.transfermarkt.com/mesut-ozil/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/35664 He’s certainly played on the left this season. I was reading an article within the past couple of days when he was saying it’s not his position but he’ll play wherever he’s told and adapt. markjazzbassist and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Ramsey is good enough to play in a midfield two behind Gylfi, just throw all the money we can get at him, he’s so much better than anything we have. Matt, Bailey, pete0 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Midfield two behind gylphi, !! Do you drop Gana or Gomes or is gylfi playing centre forward, I can't make out what your saying Steve. He plays gylfi's position. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Bill said: Midfield two behind gylphi, !! Do you drop Gana or Gomes or is gylfi playing centre forward, I can't make out what your saying Steve. He plays gylfi's position. Yeah. Not sure people get he doesn’t defend at all. He’s a 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 FWIW Ramsey is an all round midfielder. I like him but would sooner see what gomes offers once up to speed. No point in conparing Ramsey to Gana. Gana has made as many tackles as Ramsey in 200 less games. Ramsey is a top passer, and creates assists. Great player bit it will be like buying so getting on eBay for 99p and noticing the postage and packing is £100. There is talk of £300k a week and £35m signing on fee. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, hafnia said: There is talk of £300k a week and £35m signing on fee. for real???? wow, totally not worth it then. he's no de bruyne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, hafnia said: FWIW Ramsey is an all round midfielder. I like him but would sooner see what gomes offers once up to speed. No point in conparing Ramsey to Gana. Gana has made as many tackles as Ramsey in 200 less games. Ramsey is a top passer, and creates assists. Great player bit it will be like buying so getting on eBay for 99p and noticing the postage and packing is £100. There is talk of £300k a week and £35m signing on fee. Link? That seems unlikely, but if true, we have to pass because that is ridiculous. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Thinking the same, he’s an excellent player, but he’s not Frickin Messi is he! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 16 hours ago, Bill said: Midfield two behind gylphi, !! Do you drop Gana or Gomes or is gylfi playing centre forward, I can't make out what your saying Steve. He plays gylfi's position. We currently play with Gana and Gomes behind Gylfi in a two. Personally I’d drop either Gana or Gomes for him, he’s much better than both. For me the natural one to be dropped though would be Gana as he is the one who is getting forward and back more (albeit Gana makes a lot more tackles) they are both very mobile in the middle. I don’t believe for one minute Ramsey is best as a number ten (Gylfi’s position) as I see him as a complete midfielder who can do everything. With Gylfi in the number ten position and another player sitting deep Ramsey could really make us tick. Wont happen anyway, out of our league. He will go to another club and dominate games from the centre of the park, if given the right backing. There aren’t many all round midfielders left anymore. Seems you have to have a bunch of specialists in there, one who can defend, one who can attack, all that rubbish. A midfileder who can do everything would make a huge difference. That’s why Keane and Viera were so good. Bailey and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Best box to box midfielders I've seen in no particular order:- Keane Gerrard Viera Seedorf Matthaus Scholes Gazza Schweinsteiger Matt and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Personally I don’t see how he fits into the team and I would argue he’s no better than we’ve got so wouldn’t improve us. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Yeah, I wouldn't drop Gylfi to play Ramsey, and i think that's the only position we could play him. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, Palfy said: Personally I don’t see how he fits into the team and I would argue he’s no better than we’ve got so wouldn’t improve us. *cough * Gana *cough * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, pete0 said: *cough * Gana *cough * McCarthy has that spot coming his way pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 I really don’t think people have seen enough of him if he’s not better than what we have or if he’s a number ten. barryj, Bailey and Shukes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 12 hours ago, hafnia said: Best box to box midfielders I've seen in no particular order:- Keane Gerrard Viera Seedorf Matthaus Scholes Gazza Schweinsteiger Some great players on that list. Was a huge fan of Schweinsteiger, I was so excited to see him in the flesh for United at Goodison. He didn’t disappoint. Nothing too flashy, was just always in the right position when the ball dropped loose, would then just move the ball on to a team mate very quickly and then move himself to another area to give the option to take the ball back and advance. Was great to watch, simple, purposeful and effective. Toni Kroos has gone on to be a very similar player for me, probably just tries to show more flair, Schweinsteiger didn’t really need it. Haf, would you add Xavi Alonso to that list? His game changed as he got older but in his Liverpool years he was unreal. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Alonso was an exceptional player, Barca’s Xavi too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 12 hours ago, pete0 said: *cough * Gana *cough * So your midfield 3 is gylfi Ramsey and Gomes. Who’s gonna defend the back and win the call back? None of them do much tackling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 2 hours ago, StevO said: Some great players on that list. Was a huge fan of Schweinsteiger, I was so excited to see him in the flesh for United at Goodison. He didn’t disappoint. Nothing too flashy, was just always in the right position when the ball dropped loose, would then just move the ball on to a team mate very quickly and then move himself to another area to give the option to take the ball back and advance. Was great to watch, simple, purposeful and effective. Toni Kroos has gone on to be a very similar player for me, probably just tries to show more flair, Schweinsteiger didn’t really need it. Haf, would you add Xavi Alonso to that list? His game changed as he got older but in his Liverpool years he was unreal. Yeah.... Maybe. I seen him more as a deep lying playmaker rather than box to box if I'm honest. Great player though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: So your midfield 3 is gylfi Ramsey and Gomes. Who’s gonna defend the back and win the call back? None of them do much tackling. They're all capable of keeping hold of the ball so we'd have more possession. Ramsey doesn't shirk out of tackles and as I've already banged on Gana makes needless tackles. We finished higher without him amazingly without having anyone put in a 1000 tackles a game. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 He's ruled himself out of Spurs, and Klopp has said he doesn't want him, he won't get into City, Chelsea, or United. Can you see him at West Ham. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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