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13 hours ago, MikeO said:

Up there with the best in that respect, no question.

Thinking of the best pointers in my time as an Everton fan ........  Mike walker - he liked to point from the dug out and was incredibly shit. 

John Collins lived a point too .... Probably still practices to this day whilst looking in the mirror.

Then there was Neil Pointin ..... Ingeniously called "dissa" by his team mates. 

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Just to put context on the importance of dead ball experts........ If they were that critical Vs the next best options then they would play till they are 45 

But they don't.  Beckham could probably still rattle in a ridiculous free kick and be one of the best in the game at it ...... That bit does not go.  Same with Baines. ..... The reality is once their ability to run has gone they are a liability. Which brings me back to Gylfi ..... His legs aren't there either. 

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5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Just to put context on the importance of dead ball experts........ If they were that critical Vs the next best options then they would play till they are 45 

But they don't.  Beckham could probably still rattle in a ridiculous free kick and be one of the best in the game at it ...... That bit does not go.  Same with Baines. ..... The reality is once their ability to run has gone they are a liability. Which brings me back to Gylfi ..... His legs aren't there either. 

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

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39 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

Yeah but over on your side of the pond where football isn’t really football. 😂

But, Haf is right anyway. 
 

You have to be a good footballer to get a place in a team, and being a dead ball specialist helps. But you have to be the good footballer first and foremost. 
Also, Gylfi hasn’t been particularly prolific with his dead ball skills since joining Everton. 

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

beckham played until he was 38, which is much longer than the average footballer, bad analogy.

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

Yeah but over on your side of the pond where football isn’t really football. 😂

But, Haf is right anyway. 
 

You have to be a good footballer to get a place in a team, and being a dead ball specialist helps. But you have to be the good footballer first and foremost. 
Also, Gylfi hasn’t been particularly prolific with his dead ball skills since joining Everton. 

 

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Why was he playing in a glorified pub football league and not an elite level league.....  If all you need is deadball ability surely he would be playing now?

You yourself talk about lack of pace and athleticism in the side ..... So why would we carry Gylfi who sprints slightly quicker than he jogs?   If his dead ball prowess was Beckham/Juninho level I could understand it, but as pointed out it's not even at Baines level. 

My analogy of Beckham was in response to Bailey who believes that people who take the dead ball situations are somehow fiddling their stats and any number of players could do the same, anyone who’s played football at a decent level would respect a player with the ability to deliver a decent ball, to be able to bend a ball over or around a wall to have the confidence and belief to take pen after pen, of course it can’t be the only reason you are picked to play, but it has and still does form a large percentage of some players games, and it does for Gylfi when playing for us rightly or wrongly at this moment in time we don’t have another player in the team to truly replace him, that’s why I believe he will get an extension to his contract unless a viable replacement is found before that time arises. Do I think Gylfi is good enough no not really but I could also mention another 5-6 that aren’t good enough, but the reality is they play because we have no one better to replace them, hardly the fault of the players that lays squarely at the feet of others. 

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

 

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

It is a bit of a pub league and it is still across a pond 😂

 

19 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Because there is more to the game than open play.  Are we not counting strikers goals from corners now too? 
 

my point was Gylfi scores and assists. Others do not.  He is on dead ball duty for a reason.  He was for 3 (4?) managers.  
 

you may not like him, that’s fine.  You prefer Bernard, I do not.

It would certainly be a point of analysis. If your striker only scores from corners, they wouldnt be a good striker!

I don't like Bernard, it was just a quick comparison of one player that isn't good enough against another.

12 hours ago, Palfy said:

It should also tell you that they are the best player in the team for dead ball situations, I would hardly call it fluffing up the stats. There are plenty of players who’s stats would look completely different if they didn’t take the free kicks corners and penalties, Beckham springs to mind and let’s say currently Ward-Prowse, take those attributes away from them and they would look very average in the stats department. 

It is fluffing up their stats because there are plenty of others in the side that can do it. James and Digne are the obvious ones. If they took every free kick, corner and penalty Siggy would be left with the crap open play stats. 

With Ward-Prowse, his dead ball work is what sets him above other similar players. No doubt about that. He is also a very good player that contributes to the team all over the pitch. He doesn't need the goals and assists to know his worth. Whereas with Siggy it is the only thing you can say he does bring.

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13 minutes ago, Haiku said:

Digne on free kicks, Dom on penalties and suddenly we don't need Siggy anymore.

This. Digne has actually scored a free kick for Everton!

There are a few id have no problem taking penalties. Richarlison took one in a final for Brazil. Must be half decent at them. 

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

His last season he was at Paris saint germain; hardly a pub league and not across the pond.  

It was less than half a season because he joined on Jan deadline day. Completed ninety minutes just the once and averaged 34 minutes a game, scored none and had two assists.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

It is a bit of a pub league and it is still across a pond 😂

 

It would certainly be a point of analysis. If your striker only scores from corners, they wouldnt be a good striker!

I don't like Bernard, it was just a quick comparison of one player that isn't good enough against another.

It is fluffing up their stats because there are plenty of others in the side that can do it. James and Digne are the obvious ones. If they took every free kick, corner and penalty Siggy would be left with the crap open play stats. 

With Ward-Prowse, his dead ball work is what sets him above other similar players. No doubt about that. He is also a very good player that contributes to the team all over the pitch. He doesn't need the goals and assists to know his worth. Whereas with Siggy it is the only thing you can say he does bring.

But he is obviously the better at doing it or he wouldn’t be given the responsibility, I would like to think the managers we have had whether good or bad would pick the best options available for all team scenarios at there disposal, it surely can’t be just coincidence that they have all given Gylfi that responsibility, that would tell me he’s proven he’s the best in the team at dead ball situations, or would you rather they all chose a player with lesser abilities in that area to suit your argument on fluffy stats. 

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6 hours ago, Haiku said:

Digne on free kicks, Dom on penalties and suddenly we don't need Siggy anymore.

I hesitate to enter the Sigurdsson discussion, but I do want to partially disagree here.  For free kicks, Digne is not in every case the best choice.  Sometimes, maybe roughly half the time, the angle necessitates a right-footer.  Sigurdsson or someone else.

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12 hours ago, StevO said:

Yeah but over on your side of the pond where football isn’t really football. 😂

As an over-the-ponder, I agree heartily.  In discussions with American mates who find association football not “real football,” my response is to remind them that in “real football,” all 22 players actually use their feet to kick the ball — foot, meet ball — multiple times in every match.

I was a passionate fan of American “football” for many years, until I discovered the beautiful game.

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11 hours ago, Palfy said:

But he is obviously the better at doing it or he wouldn’t be given the responsibility, I would like to think the managers we have had whether good or bad would pick the best options available for all team scenarios at there disposal, it surely can’t be just coincidence that they have all given Gylfi that responsibility, that would tell me he’s proven he’s the best in the team at dead ball situations, or would you rather they all chose a player with lesser abilities in that area to suit your argument on fluffy stats. 

So if Digne took all set pieces, how mich worse would his stats be compared to Siggy? 

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4 hours ago, Bailey said:

So if Digne took all set pieces, how much worse would his stats be compared to Siggy? 

I can answer this question for you @Palfy

In the last three seasons Gylfi has had 1 goal (non penalty) and 8 assists and Digne has 4 goals and 4 assists. I wouldn't be able to find the stats on it but Gylfi takes a lot more set plays than Digne. In one season, James had 3 assists from set pieces but no goals. His numbers would have been well down on the other two though.

Maybe those managers are wrong after all.

 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Just how many failed coaching set-ups can one man be involved in before he tries his hand elsewhere? :lol: 

I have seen a few articles saying how Everton fans will be happy that Ferguson is a part of the set-up but could anyone really care less if he is?

It isn't like it has helped us in the past and it certainly isn't going to soften the blow of Benitez coming in.

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51 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

That doesn’t look like a Pointer to me!

 

My wife (a casual Spurs fan) while watching a Toffees match with me one morning said "Gylfi is name that just makes me smile when I say it, Gillll-Feeeee! Sounds like a good Shep name when we get another. 

I had forgot Gylfi's (the footballer) middle name is Thor. Ironically the sire of Gylfi (the Shep) is Thor. So I guess I'll register him as Gylfi Thorsson. There was a moment in the City game where he was almost renamed to Fido, but I digress. 

 

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15 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said:

As an over-the-ponder, I agree heartily.  In discussions with American mates who find association football not “real football,” my response is to remind them that in “real football,” all 22 players actually use their feet to kick the ball — foot, meet ball — multiple times in every match.

I was a passionate fan of American “football” for many years, until I discovered the beautiful game.

I've never understood "football" here. It's hours of commercials interspersed with apparent chaos.

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27 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I've never understood "football" here. It's hours of commercials interspersed with apparent chaos.

That is about the most simplistic explanation I think I have ever heard from someone who clearly doesn't get "American Football"!

 

It is, however, spot-on 😆 

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

I have seen a few articles saying how Everton fans will be happy that Ferguson is a part of the set-up but could anyone really care less if he is?

It isn't like it has helped us in the past and it certainly isn't going to soften the blow of Benitez coming in.

I'd rather Ferguson be the manager than Benetiz. He was the one who made the team around DCL whereas the chump before him had DCL as third choice. Add to that Benetiz is no better than Steve Bruce.

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It doesn't look good does it.

Can someone nip up to FF and see if he turns up for training tomorrow.

If it's true he can always use the Prince Andrew defence that he's never broken into a sweat before.  He's got 38,000 witnesses.

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Supporting this club makes me seriously consider that we’re living in a simulation and someone is fucking with us for their amusement :lol:.

Its just one thing after another. What the fuck is next?!

I feel the same. If we are in a simulation then the creator is very cruel. 

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Innocent until proven guilty. The club making an announcement is the sensible thing to do. 

37 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

There is no happy ending here. Either there's a child that's been a victim here or it turns out that the rumoured player actually did nothing wrong (because they aren't the player or because the allegation was false) and has effectively had their life ruined.

What a horrible, horrible situation.

100% 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

There is no happy ending here. Either there's a child that's been a victim here or it turns out that the rumoured player actually did nothing wrong (because they aren't the player or because the allegation was false) and has effectively had their life ruined.

What a horrible, horrible situation.

So true, its so hard for all those involved in this.

Its hard but we have to let the investigation take its course wherever it leads.

Support all those affected by this.

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2 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Obviously you know professionally exactly how these things work LB. 

Hard to say without knowing the facts.

In any investigation once the allegation is made it will be investigated which could include obtaining evidence from victims, witness's, examining any social media, or communication device(s), and an a host of other things. Any decision to charge would be made by the Crown Prosecution Service, once they had received all the evidence they needed to make a decision. 

As to how long it will take, who knows, weeks or months. 

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