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Cannot believe he might end up at Chelsea after saying no in the summer...and we lose £15-£20 million. That's harsh Ross, really harsh. I've no issues with players wanting to move, look to f

Forgotten what? He was one of our best players second half of last season?  Barkley gets it in the neck for not being Lionel Messi. The weight of expectation on him has always been ridiculous, fr

:major overreaction alert:   He wasn't that bad yesterday at all! A sad day? Not going to make it? Be a mid-table player? Wow. Just wow.   I admit he hasn't got back to what he showed at the start

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There is no way Alli and Barkley can play in the same team for me. Maintaining that's Barkleys fight and he's losing it massively. I've always thought Ross would be best suited in a deeper role but no managers seems to want to play him there. I also thought England in the first 45mins against Germany were brilliant.

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Barkleys best games have been on the right of the front three recently for me. Could easily play there for England. We don't have anyone in form out there for me.

I think Sterling has developed into a very good player this season. To be honest, I find it hard to criticise going with Lallana, Alli and Sterling behind the striker. My criticism comes when Lingard and Redmond are given game time ahead of him, although I do feel this was just Southgate giving a couple of his trusted u21 players a run out.

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Lallana has been England's best player for a while and Sterling should always start. I agree about Chamberlain though he's done nothing to warrant a starting place. The thing is Barkleys not fighting for a position out wide he's fighting for a central one and right now he's not the best English player in that position.

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Fair enough if Southgate doesn't think Barkley is better than those floating front 10s, but for him not to come on as even a sub is just bizarre.

 

Also, I may be wrong here because England bore me to not pay full attention, but didn't Chambermaid play centrally? If so, there is no fucking way he should start ahead of Ross if both player's form is taken into account. Chambermaid went to prove this by doing absolutely nothing.

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Think we may of jumped the gun a bit, Germany was a friendly, Southgate wanted to try other players who haven't really played for the first team before (Barkley has don't forget) and against Lithuania, the scoreline should have been higher, this could be why Barkley wasn't given a run out. Yes he should have started over the Ox but again, we are expected to beat Lithuania easily, so trying out different things is something I'm sure Southgate was testing. If there is only three attacking Midfield roles available then he has Ali, Lallana, Sterling and Rooney ahead of him (I included Rooney as he is the captain and is likely to be picked before him, not on talent/form etc).

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It won't change for as long as the FA hire yes men. Southgate is the ideal FA manager as he is the same old boring shit as the rest of them.

We're England and this is how we play! Fuck the rest of the world, you can win world cups etc.... but you won't change the way we play!

 

We are boring and antiquated. We celebrated a loss to Germany and beating Lithuania two nil!

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Barkley was better than Alli when we played them. Anyone who has watched Alli recently (bar the Germany game ironically) can see he is drifting through games but turning up with a goal or an assist.

 

Barkley on the other hand has been bossing games from 18 yard box to 18 yard box but not having the same effect on goal.

 

I don't doubt that Barkley will again outplay Lallana at the weekend and IMO he is the player that should have been dropped (or rotated) with Ross.

 

Fwiw I would actually play Alli deeper ahead of AOC as I think he is more suited to that role.

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Barkley was better than Alli when we played them. Anyone who has watched Alli recently (bar the Germany game ironically) can see he is drifting through games but turning up with a goal or an assist.

 

Barkley on the other hand has been bossing games from 18 yard box to 18 yard box but not having the same effect on goal.

 

I don't doubt that Barkley will again outplay Lallana at the weekend and IMO he is the player that should have been dropped (or rotated) with Ross.

 

Fwiw I would actually play Alli deeper ahead of AOC as I think he is more suited to that role.

 

Hopefully as Lallana's injured :).

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Personally I'm pretty dissapointed in the progress of Ross. Alli could go the same way but what I like about Alli is he has no fear and is aggressive. If Ross added this to his game he'd be a monster. Like when Henderson fronted him and he shit himself! He definitely hasn't got scouse grit about him ala Rooney and Gerrard.

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Yeah he was poor, but why single him out? Everyone had a stinker, Koeman included.

Redknapp nailed it. Look at the effect Liverpools playmaker had on the gane compared to ours. I'm sick of him now. He's just never going to have the minerals!

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Redknapp nailed it. Look at the effect Liverpools playmaker had on the gane compared to ours. I'm sick of him now. He's just never going to have the minerals!

He contributed less to us losing than our defence did. Yeah, Coutihno is a better player. He was also given the freedom of Anfield to play in. Again, why pick Barkley out? We were set up wrong, defended awfully, our front two couldn't get a kick, the whole mentality and approach to the game was wrong

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Everything Barkley fucked up today looked to be the product of a player trying too hard to be the match winner. He had blinders on. He was too emotionally invested in the game. As a fan, you want the players to be invested. But, he played entirely without composure, just like in the derby at Goodison. Koeman or someone out there needs to make sure he's calmed down. Barkley was abysmal today, but it wasn't for lack of skill or lack of trying. I think we all remember playing with that one person who played like they had a point to prove some days and were the worse for it. You want that kind of arrogance, but you don't want it at the expense of the team. For me, it's a coaching/leadership issue. You need to recognize the problem and get them out of their own head and back to playing football.

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i like Ross but today wasn't his finest moment in a blue shirt. I agree that he was trying too hard and was doing all the wrong things for all the right reasons. The team wasn't helped by the way Ronald set them up and a lot of introspection and adjustment is required by all the players and coaching staff before Tuesday night.

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One poor game out of 7 or 8 matches - he at least tried.... as illplaced as his passion was - it was at least coming from a good place. He loves Everton 100%

I'm glad someone else sees what I see. He was trying his ass off out there. Meanwhile Williams Pennington Robles Lukaku Calvert Lewin Davies all having a stroll in the park.

 

For better or for worse he wanted it and knew what this day meant. Never will fault him for that.

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He was piss poor , as were the entire team. Extremely lucky not to be sent off today but luckily enough for him he appears to be allowed an off day

 

 

 

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I don't think he can be accused of not trying to influence the game. He had a couple of good shots, he set up Holgate for our best chance of the game from open play but his overall game was poor and he couldn't get it going.

 

Once again in hindsight though, he has been playing so well wider and then he plays more centrally against the narrowest team in the league.

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He was piss poor , as were the entire team. Extremely lucky not to be sent off today but luckily enough for him he appears to be allowed an off day

 

 

 

Big difference between having an off-day and having a day-off.

 

Barkley was fired up and wanted it - he was desperate to win and that showed in some decisions....

 

It's not like he decided to have a day off is it and not bother his arse?

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That's the whole point about England... he has been treated appallingly. Built up and broken down and it's left to his club to build him back up.

 

If he is kept out of England he stands a far better chance of being left alone to develop.

 

The England team isn't ready for Ross and he isn't ready to carry the expectations of a nation. Deli alli will Continue to be protected despite being a vile cheating dirty player with a questionable temperament.

I said something like this would happen...

 

Off the radar and his petfornances have been mature...

 

Then England call him up... I said it before many times- England and all the bullshit is not good for the lad. They always fuck him about...

 

He comes back from international break fuming and with something to prove and didn't we just see it?! The media have got what they want now.

 

"Gareth told you so"

 

Bollocks...

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I'm not into all this anti-Everton media stuff. I don't get it.

 

For me, Barkley played the wrong game. He got fired up for another derby, as he has done before. Lost his head. Screwed himself over.

 

I don't think that's because of England. I think it's because we were playing Liverpool.

The lad rightly or wrongly seems to take things to heart.... He thought fans were booing him at half time in the semi final.

 

He needs to feel loved with a firm guidance. Too much talking about "whether he will make it".... He's a premier league footballer ... He is a first team player for Everton... He's set for life. But he is scrutinised.... The press won't be happy till he moves to man city or whoever.

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I don't think there's another player in the country with the same bullshit expectation levels. It's ridiculous. No one blinks when Ali doesn't win every game single handedly. Oxlade Chamberlain has been shite all season and gets an England start. Football is a great game ruined at times by clowns.

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I'm not into all this anti-Everton media stuff. I don't get it.

 

For me, Barkley played the wrong game. He got fired up for another derby, as he has done before. Lost his head. Screwed himself over.

 

I don't think that's because of England. I think it's because we were playing Liverpool.

 

american media running a bunch of shit articles to "what everton can learn from coutinho" "coutinho showed barkley how to really do it" absolute dog shit heaadlines. we lost. now fuck off.

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american media running a bunch of shit articles to "what everton can learn from coutinho" "coutinho showed barkley how to really do it" absolute dog shit heaadlines. we lost. now fuck off.

But Coutinho had a great game and Barkley was expected to have a great game, so what's the big deal? This isn't anti-Everton, it's match reporting.

 

Barkley has had a good season for us. He's improved a bit but the feeling amongst in game pro's is that he isn't quite making the most of his talent.

 

In regards to England, maybe when he's in training alongside the likes of Alli, Lalana, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc, fighting for similar positions, maybe his touch doesn't look as sharp, his movement as crisp or his decision making as quick.

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But Coutinho had a great game and Barkley was expected to have a great game, so what's the big deal? This isn't anti-Everton, it's match reporting.

 

Barkley has had a good season for us. He's improved a bit but the feeling amongst in game pro's is that he isn't quite making the most of his talent.

 

In regards to England, maybe when he's in training alongside the likes of Alli, Lalana, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc, fighting for similar positions, maybe his touch doesn't look as sharp, his movement as crisp or his decision making as quick.

He's improved dramatically in my eyes, but it's a little worrying that there are still some basics issues he can't shake. Yet. After his progress this year, I still have no doubt he'll become an incredible player

 

For the last bit, I think his humble nature is holding him back for England, but I'm ok with that; rather he continues to develop than just act like an arrogant git ala Alli

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He's improved dramatically in my eyes, but it's a little worrying that there are still some basics issues he can't shake. Yet. After his progress this year, I still have no doubt he'll become an incredible player

 

For the last bit, I think his humble nature is holding him back for England, but I'm ok with that; rather he continues to develop than just act like an arrogant git ala Alli

Yeah, I might have understated it a bit...he has definitely improved. But I do agree that his decision making is still a little suss. He needs to get the Derby out of his system, and get back to his game. Starting Tuesday!!!

 

And actually I do wonder if his nature is what holds him back. When mixing it with England's finest, dies he feel like he belongs or does he look at them and thinks 'I'm not as good as them', obviously thinking this way, you ain't going to perform to your maximum!

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The national media, for some fucking bizzare reason, want to destroy our Ross. He's a confidence player and a genuinely nice guy but for reasons I just can't understand, they hang him out all the time. Ignoring his performances of games prior.

Everton aren't allowed to have great players. First they try and sell them from us then if that fails then discredit them.

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