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Man City playing some really good football in this game but Walker is terrible and Cancelo hasn't been good enough when stepping into midfield. 

Another big error that won't go down as an error by Ederson too. Son probably doesn't even shoot if he stays back and let's Cancelo recover. 

City should have scored a couple by now but Spurs look like they could cut them open on every attack. 

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I love this comment on the BBC website: "If Southampton are to compete for a Champions League place then they really need to be beating these mid table sides."

I wonder how long it'll be until a big club snaps Januzaj up?

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59 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Man City playing some really good football in this game but Walker is terrible and Cancelo hasn't been good enough when stepping into midfield. 

Another big error that won't go down as an error by Ederson too. Son probably doesn't even shoot if he stays back and let's Cancelo recover. 

City should have scored a couple by now but Spurs look like they could cut them open on every attack. 

Kane has evolved his game very well.  His passing ability and awareness is top class.

Pisses me off with his cheating though. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Man City playing some really good football in this game but Walker is terrible and Cancelo hasn't been good enough when stepping into midfield. 

Another big error that won't go down as an error by Ederson too. Son probably doesn't even shoot if he stays back and let's Cancelo recover. 

City should have scored a couple by now but Spurs look like they could cut them open on every attack. 

Ederson just isn't a good goalkeeper.

Big rebuild of that side is needed, and you'd think Pep has been promised the money to do that and that's why he's signed the new contract.

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Ederson just isn't a good goalkeeper.

Big rebuild of that side is needed, and you'd think Pep has been promised the money to do that and that's why he's signed the new contract.

Crazy how much money they've spunked up the wall though, questions have surely got to be asked as to why a rebuild is needed with the amount of money they've spent (but they won't because it's a bottomless pit). 

I'm a massive fan of Guardiola, but I'm starting to have my doubts about what he can achieve with Manchester City, it would have been in everyone's best interest IMO to call it a day this summer and start from scratch. He created on of the best Premier League teams in history, but that was a good 18 months ago now.

Agree on Ederson too, they should be all over Donnarumma in the summer. 

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10 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Crazy how much money they've spunked up the wall though, questions have surely got to be asked as to why a rebuild is needed with the amount of money they've spent (but they won't because it's a bottomless pit). 

I'm a massive fan of Guardiola, but I'm starting to have my doubts about what he can achieve with Manchester City, it would have been in everyone's best interest IMO to call it a day this summer and start from scratch. He created on of the best Premier League teams in history, but that was a good 18 months ago now.

Agree on Ederson too, they should be all over Donnarumma in the summer. 

In recent years City have been reluctant to spend big money, but then when they have they've spent it on players that aren't worth it. Just look at Ake for an example.

They need to spend on the best, not on on crap.

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12 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Crazy how much money they've spunked up the wall though, questions have surely got to be asked as to why a rebuild is needed with the amount of money they've spent (but they won't because it's a bottomless pit). 

I'm a massive fan of Guardiola, but I'm starting to have my doubts about what he can achieve with Manchester City, it would have been in everyone's best interest IMO to call it a day this summer and start from scratch. He created on of the best Premier League teams in history, but that was a good 18 months ago now.

Agree on Ederson too, they should be all over Donnarumma in the summer. 

It is all a bit strange. They have spent God knows how much on full backs and whilst Walker has been really good for them over the years, they still don't have a suitable back up and they don't have a left back. 

I also think some of their big players are going off the boil. KDB's defensive effort is getting worse with every game I see him, Sterling's form has fallen off a cliff. Its not going to be long until Aguero is past it either. Mahrez has his moments but he isnt consistent and he is fairly predictable. 

I do think Rodri is getting better and better and Torres looks like a player. I do think they will have enough cover at CB with the 4 they have and they do have other quality options in midfield. They still have a good side but I don't think they have players to play how Pep wants them to anymore, partly through how capable they are and partly through whether they have the desire to play that way. 

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36 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Maradona is the best footballer I've ever seen.  He was doing stuff that Messi does in an era where pitches were bumpy and defenders commited assault.

Sad news, I found it almost impossible to dislike him, he was a footballing hero. 

I didn't.

George Best died fifteen years ago today, that news made me sad.

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54 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I didn't.

George Best died fifteen years ago today, that news made me sad.

I loved George best too even though he was before my time.

I like maverick footballers, you can almost accept their frailties as part of what makes them unique.... We are all humans.

Players like best, maradona, gazza played the game like it was their ball .... They would try and do stuff that others wouldn't. Maradona was a played who as a 9 year old wondered if Everton could sign.....  We got linked to Hagi and that was it after the ban. 

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12 men Liverpool unlucky VAR helped Brighton get a fairer result. Robertson accidently kicked welbeck right in front of the ref but he didn't give it until var pulled it back. Ref also have a free kick and a yellow against Brighton that the shite scored from, luckily var reviewed and ruled it out for offside.

Phillips header should be looked at again. Nuts one of their players in the back of the head, didn't look like he was going for the ball.

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4 hours ago, MikeO said:

Then again.

To be fair, he turned up for 30 mins and they won the game. He has that talent but he plays in a position that you can just turn it on and off like that. Next time I will wait until the game has finished 🤣

Bit of a mad goal though, looked like the ball went out of play but the linesman wasn't even looking at the ball.

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Oh and Chelsea are playing some decent football at the moment. They still have a mistake in them at the back but its far less often now Thiago Silva and Mendy are in.

I wouldnt say I am convinced about the latter But he makes saves Kepa doesnt. 

As a unit they have settled a lot better than I expected and Lampard should get a lot of credit for that. 

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19 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

@Bailey do you like james?  i'd have him here, i think i was the only one in the thread on this forum that wanted him.  he would be a solid option off the bench and has room to grow as a youngster

No not for me. Not enough end product. You can see with James how important decision making is in the final third and James does a lot of good work and then does something that ruins all of it and we have enough of them already! 

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2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Anyone watching the Fulham game? It looked like a clear penalty for Fulham to me. I'm amazed it took them so long to review it and then even more so that it wasn't given! 

Edit: I take that back he clearly touches the ball. Didnt see that angle at first. No idea why it took so long to decide though. 

Fulham ahead now, playing really well.

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4 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Van Der Beek just done the same challenge as Davies yet Leeds don't get a pen even after var review. 

They are making a rod for their backs... It's going to cause broken legs for the kicker, what's next players rushing in with their heads when a player goes airborne for an overhead kick? 

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11 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He’s frantically searching for some percentages. That whole spiel about percentage stats was bizarre and the sign of a man cracking up.

I’m loving it. The tosser. 

Loved him as a player ... Sadly he decided to forget what it meant to play for us. Gobshite, cheated to try and get Barkley walked.... Left us and publicised it was for a pay cut, kissed the arsenal badge and publicised that he rejected our approach to him as a manager..

Bullet dodged. 

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i don't know how much longer he can last, but truth be told that squad is just shite.  i don't think a change in manager is gonna get better results.  they need to clear out the scouts and DOF and get some better people in charge of recruitment.  they either have youngsters who aren't good enough, or overpaid and old foreign vets who don't care anymore.  it's a wierd dynamic.  if he's get's january to get some signings that might breath some life into the squad.

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8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i don't know how much longer he can last, but truth be told that squad is just shite.  i don't think a change in manager is gonna get better results.  they need to clear out the scouts and DOF and get some better people in charge of recruitment.  they either have youngsters who aren't good enough, or overpaid and old foreign vets who don't care anymore.  it's a wierd dynamic.  if he's get's january to get some signings that might breath some life into the squad.

He's had Aubameyang and played him out wide, he's got ozil and frozen him out for political reasons.  It's not the best arsenal squad but he's bought Pattee and Gabriel and let's be honest there's a few managers who would prefer that squad to theirs 

The other week they fired 50 crosses into the box and he bemoaned his had luck that 5ft 9 lacazette wasn't on the end of them against 6ft plus centre halves.

He's sounding like Martinez when he had no answers

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I think the long and short of it is it was far too big a job for a young manager to take on, never mind being his first position no matter what belief he has  in himself. 

I thought it was an odd appointment for Arsenal when the likes of Carlo was available.  

For us yeah, we were in a situation where we had nothing to lose and the ability to attract a manager of Carlos level over a team like arsenal with recent history and location etc wasn't there.... So when arsenal went on an unnecessary gamble in Arteta we benefitted. 

Knowing Arteta, if he did come to us and arsenal fluttered their eye lashes at him after one decent season he would have made the move happen... I don't think loyalty is in his make up. 

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22 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’m pleased we never had to find that out. 

Sad isn't it.  When he was at man city and we had fat Sam I was looking at anyone who looked like they could inject a bit of quality and who got the club.... A bit like when Joe Royle came in.

I thought despite artetas nonsense when playing for arsenal against us he would look at us as a good step.  It would have suited both parties... The arrogant prick rejected us, when I say arrogant - he confirmed he turned us down.  A diplomatic reply would have been smarter. 

 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

I think the long and short of it is it was far too big a job for a young manager to take on, never mind being his first position no matter what belief he has  in himself. 

Which is why it was madness that we even considered him for the job with us. Madness that a big chunk of our fans wanted it as well.
 

We were a mess and hiring someone when it’s their first job as a manager would’ve been suicide and I think he’d have got us relegated. 

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22 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Which is why it was madness that we even considered him for the job with us. Madness that a big chunk of our fans wanted it as well.
 

We were a mess and hiring someone when it’s their first job as a manager would’ve been suicide and I think he’d have got us relegated. 

Was it madness for us at the time when you seen names like Howe, Moyes, Dyche linked?  No, not really ... There was a chance that he could be an elite manager after being peps assistant. A bit of a throw of the dice. 

But when Arsenal passed on Carlo ..... Then all bets are off - you go all out for the proven elite manager if you can get him.  Arsenal were in pole position to get a top manager in but they made an unnecessary risk. 

I actually think Arteta has signed good players in Gabriel and Party.... He's took over a very similar natured squad to ours who need some precise man management.  He doesn't have the experience to manage such a diverse mix of characters. 

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Yeah it was madness. It’s not even hindsight, I didn’t want it at the time because it was crazy. The very last thing we needed then was someone with zero experience as a manager. I don’t care if he’d lived with Pep Guardiola and had breakfast with him and his wife every day, it meant and means nothing. Just go and ask Paul Clement and being a sponge to Ancelotti.

I do think he’ll be a good manager eventually (maybe not with Arsenal) but it would’ve been a major fuck up on our part to make him our manager. I’m glad he saw himself as being above us, it’s saved us and now he’s looking up at our arsehole. 

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Yeah it was madness. It’s not even hindsight, I didn’t want it at the time because it was crazy. The very last thing we needed then was someone with zero experience as a manager. I don’t care if he’d lived with Pep Guardiola and had breakfast with him and his wife every day, it meant and means nothing. Just go and ask Paul Clement and being a sponge to Ancelotti.

I do think he’ll be a good manager eventually (maybe not with Arsenal) but it would’ve been a major fuck up on our part to make him our manager. I’m glad he saw himself as being above us, it’s saved us and now he’s looking up at our arsehole. 

Arteta has made me realise that true loyalty in football is rare.  I thought he was 80% blue... How could he not have been. The fans adored him but it wasn't everton fans adoration he wanted.... Soon jumped ship for less money and made it his mission to win favour with arsenal fans. 

Compare that to Alan Ball ... Left Everton gutted, went to Arsenal and did a good job but made it clear where his heart was.

Tim Cahill, Howard, Baines, Jags, are the real stand out blues from the Arteta years. 

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