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29 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

They're another one that people seem to think are gonna go away. I don't think so. They have a relatively favorable run-in, and they're in fantastic form. They'll be in it to the end

I agree. They have a good mix of players and credit to Moyes getting them firing on all cylinders, as much as I hate to admit it. 

West Ham is just one of those teams that I don't like; hate when they do well and was happy when they got relegated before. 

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I love this comment on the BBC website: "If Southampton are to compete for a Champions League place then they really need to be beating these mid table sides."

Leicester drop points again and are in our sights now and surely any threat from Villa snuffed out by Sheffield United. Decent night for us.

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2 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

They're another one that people seem to think are gonna go away. I don't think so. They have a relatively favorable run-in, and they're in fantastic form. They'll be in it to the end

They beat Leeds, if they beat Chelsea/United/city/Spurs sure let’s add them to the top 5 convo but for now I still don’t think they’ll be there.  Last week you were talking up arsenal and their chances.  I don’t think they will be in the mix either.

 

the one I’m worried about is Spurs.  Mou got bale going and now they have won 2 in a row and are playing more attacking and less parked bus.  son Kane bale is as good as it gets for a front 3.  
 

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13 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

They beat Leeds, if they beat Chelsea/United/city/Spurs sure let’s add them to the top 5 convo but for now I still don’t think they’ll be there.  Last week you were talking up arsenal and their chances.  I don’t think they will be in the mix either.

 

the one I’m worried about is Spurs.  Mou got bale going and now they have won 2 in a row and are playing more attacking and less parked bus.  son Kane bale is as good as it gets for a front 3.  
 

In regards to Wet Spam, look at their last 7 fixtures. One against us and one against Chelsea. Those are their hard matchups. Otherwise they have Newcastle, Burnley, Brighton, West Brom and Soton. 

Don't see how you can write them off with that type of run-in

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38 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

In regards to Wet Spam, look at their last 7 fixtures. One against us and one against Chelsea. Those are their hard matchups. Otherwise they have Newcastle, Burnley, Brighton, West Brom and Soton. 

Don't see how you can write them off with that type of run-in

probably the PTSD from moyes era everton when i first started being a fan.  big match that means something coming up?  bottled it.  big showdown?  play for a draw.  maybe moyes really has turned the corner, for our sake i hope not

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This is such a strange season that I don't think you can rule anyone in or out. All it takes is for a couple of teams to go on a run like we did and with the right results you go from being out of it to being bang in the mix again. It is as close as I have ever seen it.

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8 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

The standard of the German league must be terrible if the shite can comfortably beat Leipzig like they have done. 

Bayern keep buying the best players from the club's below them so they are always safe at the top but at the detriment of the rest of the league. Add to that Chelsea have raided Leverkusen and Redbull for their best players this season. Plus mid table clubs over there are used by our bottom half teams like Burnley, Leeds, and Brighton.

Apart from Bayern the other clubs only tend to sign older players who's contracts are expiring or flopps going on the cheap. More recently they're going after our young players so they can develop and flip them back. 

Edit: looking at RBL alone their side has three players failed in the prem. Goalie couldn't get a sniff in at Liverpool, Angelino couldn't get a game for city and Sorloth the giant striker couldn't get in the palace side. Their best player is also going Bayern at the end of the season.

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8 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

The standard of the German league must be terrible if the shite can comfortably beat Leipzig like they have done. 

Weird game.  It was as though Leipzig thought they were playing Liverpool from last year, showed them far too much respect. 

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4 hours ago, Bailey said:

Very surprised to see Wilder leave Sheffield Utd. I thought he would be the best person to get them back up again next season.

Agreed. I even thought I remember hearing weeks back that the ownership was 100% going to stick by Wilder even if they were relegated

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4 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Leicester putting Sheffield to the sword. It's so apparent that Leicester are a much better side than us. Sure we beat them and drew them this year, but we managed to just eek out a 1-0 win against Sheffield. Think Leicester are nailed on for top 4

Is that the Leicester we took 4 points off this season that doesn’t sound much better maybe slightly, but the season isn’t over yet so that could easily change. 

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47 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Is that the Leicester we took 4 points off this season that doesn’t sound much better maybe slightly, but the season isn’t over yet so that could easily change. 

They have 10 more points than us and a +18 goal differential over us. And of their 7 losses, only 2 have been against teams in the lower half (Leeds and Fulham).

No shame in admitting they're a much better side than us

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They are 10 points in front and they have played an extra game, and in their last nine games they have Utd twice City Chelsea WHU and Spurs to play, and as you pointed out there loses have been against higher placed teams so not a good run in for them, and I agree there’s no shame in teams being much better than us, just don’t agree that they are one. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

They are 10 points in front and they have played an extra game, and in their last nine games they have Utd twice City Chelsea WHU and Spurs to play, and as you pointed out there loses have been against higher placed teams so not a good run in for them, and I agree there’s no shame in teams being much better than us, just don’t agree that they are one. 

Just have to agree to disagree on this one ☺️

On a different note, yes the loss yesterday was a huge hit to our European hopes. Silver lining is that Chelsea dropped points yesterday and both Spurs and Wet Spam lost today. If Wolves can pick up points tomorrow against the shite, that would be a great weekend of results for us, obviously with the exception of our loss. 

Just trying to find some positives so I'm not quite as depressed 😀😀😀

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10 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Just have to agree to disagree on this one ☺️

On a different note, yes the loss yesterday was a huge hit to our European hopes. Silver lining is that Chelsea dropped points yesterday and both Spurs and Wet Spam lost today. If Wolves can pick up points tomorrow against the shite, that would be a great weekend of results for us, obviously with the exception of our loss. 

Just trying to find some positives so I'm not quite as depressed 😀😀😀

It’s a strange season that’s for sure, with 10 games left for most teams there are still a lot of twists and turns to come, and how the top 7 finish up is anyone’s guess. 

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Just seen the Roofe red card. Absolutely disgusting, shouldn't ever be allowed on a football pitch again. Absolutely no surprise considering who is manager is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/851905/rangers-kemar-roofe-tackle-ban-rangers-racism-slavia-prague/amp/

Yet the mirror describe is as a 50/50 (they described Pickford on vvd as 'x rated') and deflect the attention all towards racism. Shit like that undermines any attempts of kicking out racism. The challenge is disgusting and pulling out the racism card doesn't excuse it. Both are equally as bad.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangers-slavia-kemar-roofe-tackle-23756485?fbclid=IwAR0DjHRtDITiq7m0dHquYWWzGyj3-SGRXv9nOkrAcCpioKMlMauvb970EWM

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

Just seen the Roofe red card. Absolutely disgusting, shouldn't ever be allowed on a football pitch again. Absolutely no surprise considering who is manager is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/851905/rangers-kemar-roofe-tackle-ban-rangers-racism-slavia-prague/amp/

Yet the mirror describe is as a 50/50 (they described Pickford on vvd as 'x rated') and deflect the attention all towards racism. Shit like that undermines any attempts of kicking out racism. The challenge is disgusting and pulling out the racism card doesn't excuse it. Both are equally as bad.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangers-slavia-kemar-roofe-tackle-23756485?fbclid=IwAR0DjHRtDITiq7m0dHquYWWzGyj3-SGRXv9nOkrAcCpioKMlMauvb970EWM

Good grief that's a really shocking challenge, hundred times worse than Pickford's. 

Gerrard made me giggle though saying he'd stand "to-to-toe" with Kamara, I think he meant shoulder-to-shoulder, the two of them having a punch up would solve nothing (though it'd make good watching:D).

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6 hours ago, pete0 said:

Just seen the Roofe red card. Absolutely disgusting, shouldn't ever be allowed on a football pitch again. Absolutely no surprise considering who is manager is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/851905/rangers-kemar-roofe-tackle-ban-rangers-racism-slavia-prague/amp/

Yet the mirror describe is as a 50/50 (they described Pickford on vvd as 'x rated') and deflect the attention all towards racism. Shit like that undermines any attempts of kicking out racism. The challenge is disgusting and pulling out the racism card doesn't excuse it. Both are equally as bad.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangers-slavia-kemar-roofe-tackle-23756485?fbclid=IwAR0DjHRtDITiq7m0dHquYWWzGyj3-SGRXv9nOkrAcCpioKMlMauvb970EWM

That needs to be played to Carl Douglas Every body was Kung Fu fighting, unbelievable challenge. 

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More racist abuse online...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56478792

...but made me think, and this is just a thought rather than a solution. Are we not perpetuating racism by responding to it by taking the knee and being outraged at every new case? Does that not draw attention to it so that the knuckle draggers responsible for it feel empowered? Would it not be better to just laugh at them? Bullies are inadequate people who rely on a response to make them feel big. Not saying I have the answer but I think it's a question worth discussing.

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13 hours ago, MikeO said:

More racist abuse online...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56478792

...but made me think, and this is just a thought rather than a solution. Are we not perpetuating racism by responding to it by taking the knee and being outraged at every new case? Does that not draw attention to it so that the knuckle draggers responsible for it feel empowered? Would it not be better to just laugh at them? Bullies are inadequate people who rely on a response to make them feel big. Not saying I have the answer but I think it's a question worth discussing.

Them getting attention from it is definitely part of the problem, I was thinking about this the other day.

Fucked if I know what the answer is though. 

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12 hours ago, MikeO said:

More racist abuse online...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56478792

...but made me think, and this is just a thought rather than a solution. Are we not perpetuating racism by responding to it by taking the knee and being outraged at every new case? Does that not draw attention to it so that the knuckle draggers responsible for it feel empowered? Would it not be better to just laugh at them? Bullies are inadequate people who rely on a response to make them feel big. Not saying I have the answer but I think it's a question worth discussing.

Yes it does enrage bellends..... They see white people amongst people of colour supporting an anti-racism movement as a challenge ..... Something they can get active about in their bitter twisted lives.

Similar to the anti-mask anti-vax brigade ......  Only if something impacts them personally do they become offended, so until they of a loved one catches covid to a serious level - their priority is to get the economy moving - aka be able to go the pub and do whatever it is they want.

This past year has been very sad.  

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16 hours ago, MikeO said:

More racist abuse online...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56478792

...but made me think, and this is just a thought rather than a solution. Are we not perpetuating racism by responding to it by taking the knee and being outraged at every new case? Does that not draw attention to it so that the knuckle draggers responsible for it feel empowered? Would it not be better to just laugh at them? Bullies are inadequate people who rely on a response to make them feel big. Not saying I have the answer but I think it's a question worth discussing.

I don’t know the answer mate, but I’m beginning to believe that as a white man who hasn’t had to live with racism aimed at him, I will always struggle to find out and understand how to combat it. 
I think the people who suffer racism should be listened to more and given the powers to implement the solutions they believe will  help them and the situation, because politicians, industry leaders and most sporting bodies are run by a large majority of whites, who over decades have proven inadequate at resolving the situation.

 I maybe completely wrong but what’s happening now isn’t working, and many believe it’s getting worse.

 

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On 21/03/2021 at 16:54, markjazzbassist said:

West ham go up 3-0 on arsenal 32 minutes in.  Game ends 3-3.  @dunlopp9987 this is why I don’t think west ham will end up top 5.  Classic moyes performance.  Took off Bowen when he was up and put on mark noble to protect the lead. Which ends up throwing it away.

They had thrown it away long before then in terms of chances against. He needed more players in midfield because Arsenal were all over them. West Ham created nothing before the sub and after it they had some good opportunities on the break to kill the game off but didn't take them.

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8 hours ago, Bailey said:

They had thrown it away long before then in terms of chances against. He needed more players in midfield because Arsenal were all over them. West Ham created nothing before the sub and after it they had some good opportunities on the break to kill the game off but didn't take them.

Arsenal targeted Cresswell.... We've seen Moyes fluff his lines watching a full back get targeted when leading. Fa cup final. 

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15 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Arsenal targeted Cresswell.... We've seen Moyes fluff his lines watching a full back get targeted when leading. Fa cup final. 

They didn't targeted Cresswell particularly, it was more that the space was just being created down both flanks side because of their constant overloads between the lines with the third man runs coming from the full backs. The big moments came from Chambers down the right, but Tierney was heavily involved down the left as well.

Moyes had to shore up the centre of midfield, which you could argue took longer than it should have, but it was a necessary move IMO. Arsenal played some really good stuff in that game though, reminiscent of Man City in many ways. I would love to say it was a Moyes bottle-job but that would be wrong in my opinion (on this occasion).

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As if we needed any more proof that we're living in the upside-down this season, Fat Sam's dull-as-a-doornail West Brom are up 4-1 against Tuchel's stingy Chelsea. To be fair, they're down to 10 men, but still. Never would've expected that defense to ship 4 goals against West fucking Brom

And just like that it's 4-2. Watch it finish 5-4 Chelsea

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2 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

As if we needed any more proof that we're living in the upside-down this season, Fat Sam's dull-as-a-doornail West Brom are up 4-1 against Tuchel's stingy Chelsea. To be fair, they're down to 10 men, but still. Never would've expected that defense to ship 4 goals against West fucking Brom

And just like that it's 4-2. Watch it finish 5-4 Chelsea

Except West Brom haven't been dull as a doornail at all. They're actually a decent attacking side.

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

Just saw that Dortmund disallowed goal from yesterday, absolute joke. Ref plainly couldn't see it properly so should've let the lad tap the ball in and then go to VAR, but because he blew the whistle VAR couldn't be used.

That ref had a bit of a mare in the first half. Besides that egregious error, he called a penalty on Can (and booked him) for taking down Rodri in the box. VAR overturned the pen, yet Can's yellow wasn't rescinded. Made no sense to me. 

Ref just looked out of his league to be honest

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Don’t know where (which thread) to ask this bit of trivia, but the phrase came up in reference to the W Ham-Leicester match, now at the half.  On the Guardian website, just after W Ham’s second goal, the comment reads: “Leicester will be as concerned as Mr Kipling makes good cakes.”

I know about Mr Kipling cakes, but I still don’t understand the comment.  Help.

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5 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Don’t know where (which thread) to ask this bit of trivia, but the phrase came up in reference to the W Ham-Leicester match, now at the half.  On the Guardian website, just after W Ham’s second goal, the comment reads: “Leicester will be as concerned as Mr Kipling makes good cakes.”

I know about Mr Kipling cakes, but I still don’t understand the comment.  Help.

I have absolutely zero idea. 

But I just have to say, I've been shouting on here for weeks that West Ham will be fighting for a top-4 finish up until the final day, and everyone seems to think differently. After today, they have games against Chelsea and ourselves, and the remainders are against Newcastle (17th), Burnley (15th), Brighton (16th), West Brom (19th) and Soton (14th). 

West Ham will finish in the top 4.

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Anyone see that disallowed goal for Utd?

McTominay is deemed to have fouled Son in the build up to the Utd goal. Personally I think it was very harsh. Son clearly tries to pull McTominay back and McTominay tries to fend him off and accidentally catches him in the face. 

There have also been two other decisions involving accidental hands/arms to the face that weren't given as fouls. 

Just to add salt to the wound, Son has just scored.

The game has gone mad.

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1 minute ago, Bailey said:

Anyone see that disallowed goal for Utd?

McTominay is deemed to have fouled Son in the build up to the Utd goal. Personally I think it was very harsh. Son clearly tries to pull McTominay back and McTominay tries to fend him off and accidentally catches him in the face. 

There have also been two other decisions involving accidental hands/arms to the face that weren't given as fouls. 

Just to add salt to the wound, Son has just scored.

The game has gone mad.

United will get red cards... Cavani looks pissed off ole looks livid. 

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