Phil Neville

[Sideliner]

maybe if he was there Readding would have scored first and it would have been 3-0 - hehehehe - just a joke

[Romey 1878]

I don't think we missed his presence on the field. Hitzlsperger played reasonably well, and will get better as he gets match fitness. We miss him in terms of numbers though and unless Gibson is back for Norwich we'll feel that heavily.

[MikeO]

We miss him in terms of numbers though and unless Gibson is back for Norwich we'll feel that heavily.

 

We also need Hibbo to be fit or we won't have a right back .

[Romey 1878]

We also need Hibbo to be fit or we won't have a right back .

 

 

Coleman suspended too as well? Great news after the disastrous performance by him yesterday.

[MikeO]

Coleman suspended too as well? Great news after the disastrous performance by him yesterday.

 

No....was being thick .

 

Somehow was in my head that he'd got a red for giving away the pen....senior moment .

[JoeQuince]

I think we did seriously miss Phil yesterday. As much as I like Hitzlsperger for all of his brains and attacking qualities, he has always lacked a certain toughness. Phil's got the toughness and plays a no-nonsense game. He just isn't very pretty with it. But Neville can really take charge of a game, as a captain, which Hitzlsperger never reeeaaally did for Stuttgart.

 

I feel like Neville just looks like a passenger, more so than he actually is, sometimes.

[scouse]

So hopefully Gibbo will be back for next game and Hitzlsperger can remain on the bench. As for Neville he will still have the off field influence whilst he is injured we will miss his versaltility tho.

[Bailey]

I dont think we missed Neville at all. Hitz covered all his defensive work and also brought a lot more to the attack.

[scouse]

wonder if Ross will feature, would like to see him even coming off the bench

Edited November 21, 2012 by scouse

[Romey 1878]

Moes has said he will be part of the first team plans. I do think it'll just be from the bench though.

[Lowensda]

I think he might. While he's "warm".

[Romey 1878]

I think he might. While he's "warm".

 

 

Like I've already said, I just hope that if we do play him that it's not on the wing. He doesn't look suited out there at all, and he's built up confidence by playing through the middle for Wednesday and putting him out wide would take his confidence away (IMO).

[Blue4Ever]

I think we did seriously miss Phil yesterday. As much as I like Hitzlsperger for all of his brains and attacking qualities, he has always lacked a certain toughness. Phil's got the toughness and plays a no-nonsense game. He just isn't very pretty with it. But Neville can really take charge of a game, as a captain, which Hitzlsperger never reeeaaally did for Stuttgart.

 

I feel like Neville just looks like a passenger, more so than he actually is, sometimes.

no he cant run he cant pass his positioning for an expeirenced player is far past a joke and he;s on 50k a week id release him tomorrow if i could, im still waiting for an explanation for what he adds to our team other than having a player/manager on the pitch shouting orders whislt he stands in the middle of the pitch.

[Lowensda]

Like I've already said, I just hope that if we do play him that it's not on the wing. He doesn't look suited out there at all, and he's built up confidence by playing through the middle for Wednesday and putting him out wide would take his confidence away (IMO).

 

I agree. If ossie's legs are tiring in the game, drop Felli back and put Ross up to support Jelly.

[scouse]

Like I've already said, I just hope that if we do play him that it's not on the wing. He doesn't look suited out there at all, and he's built up confidence by playing through the middle for Wednesday and putting him out wide would take his confidence away (IMO).

 

have to agree, for me Peanuts and Morales are the wingers now, with Ossie, Gibbo and Felli in the centre, the question is would you drop any of them for Ross? but he is a nice player to bring on when players a jaded

[pete0]

have to agree, for me Peanuts and Morales are the wingers now, with Ossie, Gibbo and Felli in the centre, the question is would you drop any of them for Ross? but he is a nice player to bring on when players a jaded

Rotate these with Barkley, with Felli dropping back when Ross plays.

[Mirallas]

http://performance.fourfourtwo.com/fitness/phil-neville-pre-match-warm-up

 

HAHA it reminded me of this:

 

[mcirony]

http://performance.fourfourtwo.com/fitness/phil-neville-pre-match-warm-up

 

HAHA it reminded me of this:

 

 

Ha ha it's even better if you mute the sound.

[Hafnia]

I think he's doing the wrong warm up for his role in the team - no where in that clip did you see him outstretching his arm, pointing and shouting with his eyes in a furious authoritive blaze.

[Blue4Ever]

I think we did seriously miss Phil yesterday. As much as I like Hitzlsperger for all of his brains and attacking qualities, he has always lacked a certain toughness. Phil's got the toughness and plays a no-nonsense game. He just isn't very pretty with it. But Neville can really take charge of a game, as a captain, which Hitzlsperger never reeeaaally did for Stuttgart.

 

I feel like Neville just looks like a passenger, more so than he actually is, sometimes.

your feeling wrong then, what does he do honestly other than shout and point and pass the ball sidewards and thats if it gets to an everton player, cant tackle, he's slow, backs off players untill there at the edge of the box then gives a freekick away of all places. im awaiting the day he retires

[Avinalaff]

Isn't it time some of you took note of the great things Neville has given the club, and stopped knocking the guy towards the end of a fantastic career? If he was not worthy of making contributions to the team, Moyes would not play him. He might not set your world alight, but he isn't any where near as bad as some of you make out.

[Hafnia]

Isn't it time some of you took note of the great things Neville has given the club, and stopped knocking the guy towards the end of a fantastic career? If he was not worthy of making contributions to the team, Moyes would not play him. He might not set your world alight, but he isn't any where near as bad as some of you make out.

 

I don't think there is a member on this forum that doesn't respect his professionalism and dedication he has made in forging a career out of very little natural ability - certainly when you compare him to more lavishly talented players.

 

The fact is Av, when moyes plays him in the centre of the park he adds nothing from a footballing perspective. Yes he talks, he points, he shouts - he makes a very visible cheerleader/motivator and fair play every team needs that. But that needs to compliment a player who can pass, who can control a ball, who is comfortable in possession... Phil isn't very good at any of these things.

 

For me he is our 3rd choice right back and emergency defensive midfielder (when there is no felli, gibson, hitzlepserger).

 

Some people find it tough to criticise good honest pros, but the fact is they don't always make a good team.

[thoward18]

http://performance.f...e-match-warm-up

 

HAHA it reminded me of this:

 

 

As goofy as that shit looks, it's extremely effective. I messed up my hip/thigh pretty badly a long time ago while shooting a ball. Ending up straining my thigh muscle to the point that the tip of my hip bone became detached and every time I attempted to run or kick a ball I would pull up. All three of those dynamic stretches were crucial to getting me back into shape and preventing pulls.

 

Also, is the whole silly walk sketch really that hilarious to British people? When I first saw it I chuckled for the first 10 seconds or so but the way people are laughing in the background the entire time you'd think it was the funniest thing ever.

[Hafnia]

As goofy as that shit looks, it's extremely effective. I messed up my hip/thigh pretty badly a long time ago while shooting a ball. Ending up straining my thigh muscle to the point that the tip of my hip bone became detached and every time I attempted to run or kick a ball I would pull up. All three of those dynamic stretches were crucial to getting me back into shape and preventing pulls.

 

Also, is the whole silly walk sketch really that hilarious to British people? When I first saw it I chuckled for the first 10 seconds or so but the way people are laughing in the background the entire time you'd think it was the funniest thing ever.

 

Proofs in the pudding, very rarely gets injured. Looks after himself properly.

[Sideliner]

if Neville is not a complete passenger ( with a lot of luggage ) then he is the closest thing to exactly that that i have ever seen

if Giggs and Scoles can't get full games for United, Neville should not be allowed to do his stretching exercises for Everton

[thoward18]

if Neville is not a complete passenger ( with a lot of luggage ) then he is the closest thing to exactly that that i have ever seen

if Giggs and Scoles can't get full games for United, Neville should not be allowed to do his stretching exercises for Everton

 

Like it or not we need his versatility. We don't exactly have loads of depth and that especially holds true with Barkley and Gueye on loan. His ability to fill in at mid and right back is needed. I don't want to see him back as anything more than a substitute on a cheap contract, though, after this season.

[Avinalaff]

http://www.football365.com/everton/8479525/Phil-Neville-is-still-considering-whether-to-extend-his-career-at-Everton

[Avinalaff]

The 36-year-old's current contract expires in June and he is yet to open talks with the club about a possible extension.

The former England international has already started 20 matches this season and but given his age and the fact he has recently undergone knee surgery, he remains unsure as to whether he can continue for another campaign.

 

"I'm quite relaxed about the situation," Neville told the Liverpool Echo.

 

"I spoke to the manager before Christmas and he asked me what I wanted to do. And I said I wanted to speak probably more towards the end of the season.

 

"I think I'm a year older than Sylvain Distin (who has just signed a year's extension).

 

"I think it's sensible at my age to first, see how the body is, and then see how my situation is within the club and at the end of the day ask 'Do I still retain the hunger and the determination, and more importantly am I still having a positive effect on the team?'

 

"These are the things over the next three or four months that I'll be weighing up and we'll take it from there.

 

"I've been at Everton for the last eight years and I've been captain and I've been a large part of what's been going on.

 

"But I want to remain as influential and if felt I wasn't as influential or I felt my form had dropped, or if I was standing in the way of someone who was coming through then I would have to look at it.

 

 

Some of the comments on Toffeetalk have been really mean, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to read that forum anymore.

 

"That's the reason why I'm in no rush."

[Hafnia]

I'm sure his £50k a week will soothe his ego.

[pete0]

(OS vid) Distin on Neville "I don't remember ever playing against him, maybe because he was that bad, O'well I'm used to him being bad as well"

[Sideliner]

on a recent poll 66% of Everton fans thought Neville should retire -

now he makes it sound as if the decision is his whether he will stick around for another season -

sorry to say without discounting his past acheivements i must say this gentleman does have a thick skin and by forcing himself onto the pitch he only serves his self interest -

he was a good player - he may still be a good leader - but at the moment he is a shadow of the player he was -

as far as i am concerned he is riding his reputation to the limits - to such an extent that i think he has largely tainted it with his stubborn refusal to retire gracefully -

keep a close eye on him tomorrow - and look at the whole package and ask yourself if any other PL side would run the risk of playing him -

i know i am one of his harshest critics but that is my honest opinion (with 66% of Everton supporters in a recent poll supporting that view )

Please Mr Neville remember one must retire before it is too late - because once you have overstepped that line there is no turning back - the damage to your imagehas been done and is irreparable

[MikeO]

on a recent poll 66% of Everton fans thought Neville should retire -

 

Which poll?

[Avinalaff]

on a recent poll 66% of Everton fans thought Neville should retire -

now he makes it sound as if the decision is his whether he will stick around for another season -

sorry to say without discounting his past acheivements i must say this gentleman does have a thick skin and by forcing himself onto the pitch he only serves his self interest -

he was a good player - he may still be a good leader - but at the moment he is a shadow of the player he was -

as far as i am concerned he is riding his reputation to the limits - to such an extent that i think he has largely tainted it with his stubborn refusal to retire gracefully -

keep a close eye on him tomorrow - and look at the whole package and ask yourself if any other PL side would run the risk of playing him -

i know i am one of his harshest critics but that is my honest opinion (with 66% of Everton supporters in a recent poll supporting that view )

Please Mr Neville remember one must retire before it is too late - because once you have overstepped that line there is no turning back - the damage to your imagehas been done and is irreparable

 

Flippineckerslike

 

Anybody would think Neville is 65.

 

Lay off the lad. He's an Everton player and has given us 8 decent years.

[Dalziel Kane]

Neville could make his 300th appearance in all competitions for Everton tomorrow.

 

Neville may be in his mid 30s now, but that's no signal for any player to end their careers. I don't expect him to play for as long as Shilton or Sheringham but he's still a competent player and can provide something, and has been a good professional not only here but at previous clubs. Decent example of a team leader.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2276241/Phil-Neville-I-The-Manc-Everton-moment-I-took-Ronaldo.html#axzz2KTUuMDVx

[marcopaulo]

still my favourite neville moment

[Romey 1878]

That really was a great tackle and it lifted the whole crowd and team. It was a captain's tackle.

 

I wish he'd tackle more these days though, it's something that seems to have left his game.

[Avinalaff]

'From a selfish point of view, a trophy would mean my eight years as captain had been worthwhile,' he said. 'If I leave and I've not won a trophy I would see myself as a failure

 

 

A foot in mouth moment Phil ?

 

If you class your time spent here without a trophy as a failure, then you kind of put that bracket down for everybody at the club, which has been anything but over the last decade. Football is not a fair game, and the teams that have won a trophy outside the big money sides are far and between. Some have paid the price with relegation.

[JoeQuince]

A foot in mouth moment Phil ?

 

If you class your time spent here without a trophy as a failure, then you kind of put that bracket down for everybody at the club, which has been anything but over the last decade. Football is not a fair game, and the teams that have won a trophy outside the big money sides are far and between. Some have paid the price with relegation.

 

I think he meant that, as captain, if he couldn't help us to a trophy, he'd consider himself a failure. He's saying he feels the weight of the responsibility to bring a trophy. Which is definitely a selfish statement, but one that has good intentions.

[Avinalaff]

I think he meant that, as captain, if he couldn't help us to a trophy, he'd consider himself a failure. He's saying he feels the weight of the responsibility to bring a trophy. Which is definitely a selfish statement, but one that has good intentions.

 

Yeah, I'm sure his intentions were good, but a little undiplomatic shall we say.

[Blue4Ever]

some one said above he's playing far to long he was never a great footballer but now he is starting in a team aiming for europe when in all honesty even at right back he never looks like the one to win the ball and thats meant to be one of his better attributes, he backs off untill the player takes him on or gets a cross in, his positioning against united was terrible he just doesnt offer you nothing but people still think his expierience is vital, its not its making us look a man down. when we attack he isnt involved or needed alls he is on the pitch for is his so called " leadership" nevilles never got the game by the scruff of the neck in his life its more than just shouting instructions to the other players if he's that important to us and he maybe because everyone seems to like him at the club, just keep him on the bench so he thinks he's contributing fair enough he should be under coleman and hibbert for rightback but the decison to play him in midfield has really pissed me off over the years because our manager has done so much for us but cant see such a poor idea.

[Avinalaff]

[macdog]

Lots of "failures" in the EPL. Money wins silverware, we don't have money. Plenty of richer clubs than us have gone trophy-less for a looooong time.

[Dalziel Kane]

Lots of "failures" in the EPL. Money wins silverware, we don't have money. Plenty of richer clubs than us have gone trophy-less for a looooong time.

 

This has been discussed to death, but even teams in recent years such as Portsmouth and Middlesbrough have won trophies, but suffered after as a result of a relegation or fall from glory.

 

It's not always about money either, simply having a good manager, team camaraderie and ethic can bring results.

[Avinalaff]

You need things to go well for you to win a cup. Sometimes you create your own luck, but mostly, it's down to clicking at the right time, and the other teams having a bad day. Any team with money shorten their odds considerably, not to mention being able to field strong teams without affecting other competitions.

 

The stats are there for all to see regarding cup winners. Yes, a few teams have managed to win, but mostly the winners are the top clubs, and have been for a long time now.

[Oztoffee]

Can anyone give me one good, solid reason why Neville still starts in the team?

 

Forget the true professional, good reliable old soldier,' valuable on his day' crap and tell me why he is in the team NOW.

Phil is at best a passenger, in some cases a liability especially when he chooses the sideways or backpass options instead of going forward. His 5 yard passes are perfect (so are mine), but after that........And he doesn't tackle!

And what's with the 'floating' crosses? Get some pace on the ball to at least give the forwards some momentum on the header that they don't have to generate themselves every time. And get the cross to the penalty spot at least. A 'floater' to the edge of the box is oppostion meat and drink as is so often proved.

 

Someone said eons ago that Neville must be Moyes' love-child to be able to get in the side...and here we are all still wondering every week how it happens.

Can any Neville-ites go into bat for him and deny any of the above?

[Mogsy]

Can anyone give me one good, solid reason why Neville still starts in the team?

 

Forget the true professional, good reliable old soldier,' valuable on his day' crap and tell me why he is in the team NOW.

Phil is at best a passenger, in some cases a liability especially when he chooses the sideways or backpass options instead of going forward. His 5 yard passes are perfect (so are mine), but after that........And he doesn't tackle!

And what's with the 'floating' crosses? Get some pace on the ball to at least give the forwards some momentum on the header that they don't have to generate themselves every time. And get the cross to the penalty spot at least. A 'floater' to the edge of the box is oppostion meat and drink as is so often proved.

 

Someone said eons ago that Neville must be Moyes' love-child to be able to get in the side...and here we are all still wondering every week how it happens.

Can any Neville-ites go into bat for him and deny any of the above?

 

100% agreed, he's had his moments for us in the past, but enough is enough, time to hang up the boots Phil

[Dalziel Kane]

I hope he doesn't go on for as long as Shilton, or Zoff or Sheringham etc

 

I think Moyes must have him down as some personal favorite, and thinks his very presence on the field can keep motivation or give the kids a boost, or some sort of leadership model, that warrants an inclusion.

[Oztoffee]

 

I think Moyes must have him down as some personal favorite, and thinks his very presence on the field can keep motivation or give the kids a boost, or some sort of leadership model, that warrants an inclusion.

Judging by the hard looks and the rolling eyes from other team members at times, I don't think it's working Davey Boy!

[Romey 1878]

You can see that our players actively try not to pass to him because any attack dies with him.

 

His legs have gone and he really doesn't offer anything any more. I hope he does the right thing and retires and stays on as a coach.

[EFC-Paul]

You can see that our players actively try not to pass to him because any attack dies with him.

 

His legs have gone and he really doesn't offer anything any more. I hope he does the right thing and retires and stays on as a coach.

 

This..

 

Every time he gets the ball he has to take at least two touches slows down play and then knocks it sideways or backwards, tbh I've always liked him for his professionalism and all that but I'm beginning to despise seeing him in a Everton shirt.

 

He offers us nothing and it's been that way for some time now and I fear Moyes and Himself are going to turn him into a player people no longer like due to his unwarranted inclusion....

 

He's got all the right tools to become a good coach and be an asset to the club in other areas so please Moyes give your head a wobble and move him on!!

[Sideliner]

carrying him as passenger and hiding him at right back is bad enough , but him being captain takes the cake -

he makes a joke of the idea that a captain must lead from the front by example - he is the exact opposite -

if so many of Everton's own fans can clearly see his shortcomings what must the opposition fans think -

and what do they think of a coach who obviously turns a blind eye towardsit -

and what do they think of fans who tolerates and from the outside supports the situation -

he is making us all the laughing stock of the PL

[Matt]

You can see that our players actively try not to pass to him because any attack dies with him.

 

His legs have gone and he really doesn't offer anything any more. I hope he does the right thing and retires and stays on as a coach.

it will all depend on Moyes staying on. Id like to see him step down and maybe become assistant manager for the new manager. Now I know the first reaction would be "are you fkin high, were defensive enough as it is!", but if Moyes does go we need a strong presence in the dressing room to keep the team together. The reason Phil is still being played is because the squad respects him, and i think that will be vital if Moyes goes. He'd also be a brilliant balance with Martinez, who the papers are touting as a replacement...

[Bill]

If Hibbert was fit Neville would be benched, he's passed his sell by date.

 

Lets hope young Stones gets a chance soon, and is as good as they think he is.

Edited February 17, 2013 by Bill

[Blue4Ever]

it will all depend on Moyes staying on. Id like to see him step down and maybe become assistant manager for the new manager. Now I know the first reaction would be "are you fkin high, were defensive enough as it is!", but if Moyes does go we need a strong presence in the dressing room to keep the team together. The reason Phil is still being played is because the squad respects him, and i think that will be vital if Moyes goes. He'd also be a brilliant balance with Martinez, who the papers are touting as a replacement...

you must really love phil to say that... i dont want him any where near the young players coming through or telling players how they should play when he's never lead by example but i suppose its inevitable that he will always be around its pissing me off, some of the commentators and radio people worship him like he's some legend ive been saying for years about how poor a player he is and now people are coming round to it he is stopping us from moving on as a team now but moyes keeps selecting him and its making himself look a fool.

[Matt]

you must really love phil to say that... i dont want him any where near the young players coming through or telling players how they should play when he's never lead by example but i suppose its inevitable that he will always be around its pissing me off, some of the commentators and radio people worship him like he's some legend ive been saying for years about how poor a player he is and now people are coming round to it he is stopping us from moving on as a team now but moyes keeps selecting him and its making himself look a fool.

I dont love him, I love the club and from a calculated perspective, it makes sense. He is, by all accounts, a model professional - you dont want that for the youth squad?? The team look up to him, despite him being a tired player he provides a lot. Also, if you read what I wrote, i said he would be an assistant manager for the new guy. Ie hes there for the new guy, help with the shock of the DM departure, then moves on or becomes a coach. Edited February 17, 2013 by Matt

[Blue Cheese]

He's a great lad a great leader not denying that but he's god damn awful footballer now, he was never the best but i'm at a loss as too how he is near the side. He got ripped apart again by a bloody div 1 player the other night. Sorry but he should be on his way if he wants to carry on playing or stick around and coach the kids but not as a player.

[Romey 1878]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news//tm_headline=everton-fc-skipper-phil-neville-says-he-d-drop-down-divisions-to-keep-playing-football%26method=full%26objectid=33067419%26siteid=100252-name_page.html

 

 

Sometimes you've got to realise when the game's up. His brother did.

[Sideliner]

it is much less embarrassing to decide it yourself than to wait for someone else or 100's of fans having to tell you that it is time to go -

not even asking you to go but telling you in no uncertain terms to go -

I am afraid Phill Neville is very close to that point - and he won't be able to say he has not been warned long ago -

once your reputation is tainted it stays tainted

[Avinalaff]

it is much less embarrassing to decide it yourself than to wait for someone else or 100's of fans having to tell you that it is time to go -

not even asking you to go but telling you in no uncertain terms to go -

I am afraid Phill Neville is very close to that point - and he won't be able to say he has not been warned long ago -

once your reputation is tainted it stays tainted

 

The lad has put some decent performances in as well as poor ones, not to mention nearly 8 years of service, so why not treat the lad with a bit more respect?

 

It's for the club to make that decision. Any fan doing it is out of line. We don't own the club or the players. We watch them play, and nobody forces us to do so, so not really our place to be telling players, especially ones as loyal as Neville "In no uncertain terms" to go.

 

If you support the club, support the whole club. His standard has never been that of the very best, but some of the criticism is a bit over the top, and no need for it.