Hafnia Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Unfortunately him dropping down leagues will do nothing other than to highlight how poor he is now at centre mid. At that level you are reliant on physicality, speed, or the ability to do something other than coach 10 men. Where he is now - he can rely on good technical footballers to do the things he can't. He can't get away with the stuff he's pulled in our midfield. I'll end this on a positive - as a right back he could still play in the premierleague. Maybe not for us as a first teamer but definitely competent enough to compete. Anywhere else forget it. He is a tremendous example to young players as to how to apply themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I think he can still be used as cover for the LB & RB slots next year but nothing more IMO. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I think he can still be used as cover for the LB & RB slots next year but nothing more IMO. No need for any cover, we have Stones and Oviedo to cover the fullbacks. Sibdane and Steve_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 No need for any cover, we have Stones and Oviedo to cover the fullbacks. Neither of us know whether Stones or Oviedo will be good enough in the top flight as full backs (albeit we have Hibbert to cover RB aswell). It wouldnt take that much for both Baines and Oviedo to be injured at the same time. He is still an important member of the team in terms of what he brings off the field, and he can still do a job when we need him to on the field. My worry would be that if Moyes was still here then he might play week in week out like he does now, but that isnt Neville's fault. Quinn31 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Neither of us know whether Stones or Oviedo will be good enough in the top flight as full backs (albeit we have Hibbert to cover RB aswell). It wouldnt take that much for both Baines and Oviedo to be injured at the same time. He is still an important member of the team in terms of what he brings off the field, and he can still do a job when we need him to on the field. My worry would be that if Moyes was still here then he might play week in week out like he does now, but that isnt Neville's fault. When everybody is fit Neville hasnt been a starter for the last 2 seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 When everybody is fit Neville hasnt been a starter for the last 2 seasons this seems like an echo for last 12 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 When everybody is fit Neville hasnt been a starter for the last 2 seasons Gibson was benched instead of him against Wigan in the cup even though he was fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Gibson was benched instead of him against Wigan in the cup even though he was fit. Gibson has no divine right to a start Haf. He probably played Nev to offer a bit of experience on the field. Sometimes it backfires, but Nev made a bad pass. There were many factors from other players gone undiscussed that served our demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Gibson was benched instead of him against Wigan in the cup even though he was fit. Probably to offer Heitinga a bit of protection from Kone given the mauling he had at their place, and yes it back fired spectacularly That is probably the one and only time he has been picked ahead of him though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Can I just clarify that Gibson is a far and away superior footballer to Phil Neville, defensively, technically, tactically, offensively. Moyes playing Neville ahead of him was a complete piss take. Gibson passes the ball, Neville offloads it. Anyone who can't see Neville is the worst regular player we have needs to seriously have a word. He's a right back cover at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 When everybody is fit Neville hasnt been a starter for the last 2 seasons Haha you're having a laugh right? He gets dropped for the odd game here and there but he has started the majority of games when other players will offer more to the team. This is especially bad considering he has probably made more big mistakes than any other player. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Gibson was benched instead of him against Wigan in the cup even though he was fit. he wasnt fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Haha you're having a laugh right? He gets dropped for the odd game here and there but he has started the majority of games when other players will offer more to the team. This is especially bad considering he has probably made more big mistakes than any other player. Why would I be? Coleman and Hibbo have moved ahead of him at RB and Gibson and Osman are the 2 preferred CM. That has been the case for a long time now but it doesn't seem to sit well with the conspiracy theorists who want everyone to believe Moyes only picks his favourites so they simply choose to ignore the facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Why would I be? Coleman and Hibbo have moved ahead of him at RB and Gibson and Osman are the 2 preferred CM. That has been the case for a long time now but it doesn't seem to sit well with the conspiracy theorists who want everyone to believe Moyes only picks his favourites so they simply choose to ignore the facts That may be but we will never have an injury/suspension free squad. For example, if he was fit yesterday we would have played a 4-4-2 with Osman moved wide and Neville in midfield. Its happened countless times. If he is fit for Spurs then he will play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 the stats i've found he's only started 10 premier league games this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 That may be but we will never have an injury/suspension free squad. For example, if he was fit yesterday we would have played a 4-4-2 with Osman moved wide and Neville in midfield. Its happened countless times. If he is fit for Spurs then he will play. And you know this how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 And you know this how? I think you would get great odds on it being anything else. Maybe us negative fans just perceive that moyes has Neville playing when he has better options on the bench. I dunno. Personally I thought Barkley did well in his cameo, plays with his head up, good range of passing (peach of a ball btw over to Coleman) looks to get the ball down and play, always looking to receive it. I think the reason Neville has only started 10 games is due to spending over a month out after knee surgery. So lets just look at it from that perspective, he starts far more games for us than his ability warrants. IMO pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) And you know this how?He's club captain for starters. And for all his many shortcomings i do think he gets other players going at times.Moyes loves him, i bet he's one of the first names on the team sheet for some games. Edited March 31, 2013 by Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 surely as i pointed out he has only started 10 games this season carries some weight to duncc's argument? not takin sides just it seems to have been overlooked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Actually he's started nearly all the games he's been involved in, and when you consider his 6 week injury it would put him up there with the likes of fellaini, distin etc http://m.evertonfc.com/first-team-stats-2012/13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/appearances.php He's been well used... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 surely as i pointed out he has only started 10 games this season carries some weight to duncc's argument? not takin sides just it seems to have been overlooked In the first 11 games of the season he played 8 full games plus over 70 mins in the other 3. When back from injury he only missed 2 games, playing in the majority of the other 7 he was fit for. Only recently he has fell out the team, but I assume he's not fully fit or is carrying a knock if the Wigan game is anything to go by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) espn must be liars then Edited March 31, 2013 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 In the first 11 games of the season he played 8 full games plus over 70 mins in the other 3. When back from injury he only missed 2 games, playing in the majority of the other 7 he was fit for. Only recently he has fell out the team, but I assume he's not fully fit or is carrying a knock if the Wigan game is anything to go by. We were playing some of our best football in the 1st 11 games. Neville is not an automatic starter any longer - I wouldn't be surprised if him not playing yesterday wasn't something to do with non-footballing matters he's currently experiencing in his life. He's had a lot of game time but we've had a lot of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/appearances.php He's been well used... Due to lengthy spells out injured for Coleman, Hibbert and Gibson marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 We were playing some of our best football in the 1st 11 games. Neville is not an automatic starter any longer - I wouldn't be surprised if him not playing yesterday wasn't something to do with non-footballing matters he's currently experiencing in his life. He's had a lot of game time but we've had a lot of injuries. I'd say despite Neville playing. He's only managed to pick up 2 motm votes all season. Everton have carried him this season and Moyes continued to play him regardless of cons list adding up. Not quite an auto starter like Baines, but 70+ mins for 11 consecutive games pretty much sums up that he was a starter before the injury. He's played the majority of nearly every game he's been fit, not quite every game, but no 36 year old does. For his age/fitness/ability he has got a lot more starts than he should have this season. His game time has nothing to do with injuries, if anything they've prevented him from having more minutes. Start of the season we had Coleman and Hibbert fit, so Moyes had Neville in midfield alongside Osman. Although any manager worth his salt would have played Fellaini there instead and play someone with more flair behind the striker or even mixed it up by going 442 with Anichebe helping Jelavic out. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 General question, is it possible to block someone so that you never see any of their comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Easily done. My settings -> Ignore preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 General question, is it possible to block someone so that you never see any of their comments? Yup....click on the little triangle next to your user name (top right) and select "Manage Ignore Prefs." Edit....I have no idea that Pete0 got in ahead of me on that because I have him on ignore . pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Can't we have an emoticon with a child with a finger in both ears, eyes closed, saying "I can't hear you!!!" Instead? GoodisonRoad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's obvious that Moyes favours having Neville in the starting eleven and I'm not sure how it can really be disputed!? Even the fact that He has played so much with being piss poor for the most part shows that, You can't blame Him for playing if picked but Moyes is/has really turned Neville into a player most people cringe at seeing on the team sheet by persistently sticking with Him when we have other and better options. He should not be anything other then emergency cover at RB. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Come on guys... we're being a bit harsh on one of our finest posters here. I think he's made some excellent and insightful posts of late. I for one am changing my perspectives towards Everton because of his fresh views and clearly extensive knowledge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Come on guys... we're being a bit harsh on one of our finest posters here. I think he's made some excellent and insightful posts of late. I for one am changing my perspectives towards Everton because of his fresh views and clearly extensive knowledge! I was purely giving a factual answer to the "ignore" question myself....hope that didn't give any impression that I was taking sides . I keep well out of this thread if I can, I'm just here for tech support . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 While we're on the subject, any chance you lads can take me 'off' ignore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 And you know this how?Based on the fact that it is exactly what Moyes has done every other time this situation (or very similar) has arisen in the last 8 or so years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideliner Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 You all know where I stand on this - no PL side can afford carrying any player no matter how good he used to be - Phill Neville is way past his sell by date and he and Mr Moyes must take joint blame for refusing to acknowledge that - to the detriment of Everton - but there are signs that it might be dawning on them that they can no longer pull the wool over the most fan's eyes - Phill said he is prepared to drop down the leaugues to enable him to keep on playing - he should rather retire gracefully and focus on managing before his judgement get tarnished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinalaff Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 He'll probably get a year to year like Distin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/04/09/neville-to-leave-the-blues? Leaving in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) He's been an excellent servant for the club and deserves a warm send off. Edited April 9, 2013 by c1982 Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/04/09/neville-to-leave-the-blues? Leaving in the summer. No great surprise really he has dropped down the pecking order and he did say he would only stay if he felt he was making a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 He's been a great servant to the club and has been the best captain I've seen here (bear in mind that is since 93'). He always gives it his all, even if his skills and fitness have dipped considerably of late. I wish him nothing but the best for the future and think he will do well in the lower leagues if he goes down there. More realistically though I think he will concentrate on his coaching (which suits me as I want him back at Everton in some sort of training role). Thanks for everything Nev! Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Sad fact of life for footballers, it happens to the very best, and whilst Neville can't put himself in that category, he can look back on his footballing career and say he did it right. When you see talent like Van Der Meyde retire without a whimper after neglecting his ability and ripping off the fans you need to pay the right level of respect to Neville. No where near my favourite player (we all know this) - however I have a healthy respect for the lad, he will do well and deserves to do well in what he chooses next. Personally I hope he retires from football and gets into cricket - I feel he will find it tougher down the football leagues and I don't like seeing good ex pros being given the run around by yard dogs. Jags for club captain next me thinks. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Very clearly not a role for him on this club anymore, so it's the right time for this. Seems like a really great guy and I wish him well. Where could he be off to? He could MAYBE be a rotation option for a team on the low end of the spectrum like Wigan or something. Would he really play in Championship? Has a more reputable player ever done so (not counting crap like Edgar Davids coming out of retirement)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Thank you phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Very clearly not a role for him on this club anymore, so it's the right time for this. Seems like a really great guy and I wish him well. Where could he be off to? He could MAYBE be a rotation option for a team on the low end of the spectrum like Wigan or something. Would he really play in Championship? Has a more reputable player ever done so (not counting crap like Edgar Davids coming out of retirement)? Teddy Sheringham went to the lower leagues with Colchester for a season. It's not that bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue4Ever Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) When everybody is fit Neville hasnt been a starter for the last 2 seasons you have lost it mate finally after about 4 seasons of me moaning every week about him starting ive finally got what i wanted and thats him no where near the playing squad he said the right things to people and the media and was a good person in the dressing room like they all say but big occasions he poo's himself and then in the poor games could never make a 10 yard pass against the likes of norwich, im only 21 but he is the worst technical player we have had since i started watching, how he played for england is beyond joke, anyway feel bad now after all the insults but he wasnt good enough at the end of the day imo fair play to helping as much as he possibly could around the club but he wont be missed by me. best of luck. Edited April 9, 2013 by Blue4Ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 you have lost it mate finally after about 4 seasons of me moaning every week about him starting ive finally got what i wanted and thats him no where near the playing squad he said the right things to people and the media and was a good person in the dressing room like they all say but big occasions he poo's himself and then in the poor games could never make a 10 yard pass against the likes of norwich, im only 21 but he is the worst technical player we have had since i started watching, how he played for england is beyond joke, anyway feel bad now after all the insults but he wasnt good enough at the end of the day imo fair play to helping as much as he possibly could around the club but he wont be missed by me. best of luck. How have I lost it? Coleman and Hibbert are ahead of him in the pecking order at RB and Osman / Gibson are the first choice at CM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Much respect for Phil and best of luck to him in his future endeavors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Abaolutely fantastic captain, player and person. I hope he focuses on his coaching now. Maximum thanks for what hes done for Everton in the past 8 season. You will be missed Nevs - but it was definetly time to go. As for the next captain I really dont want it to be Jags, but there is nobody else to pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 He's been an excellent servant for the club and deserves a warm send off. agreed. Just a shame his honours list doesnt include anything with us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 How have I lost it? Coleman and Hibbert are ahead of him in the pecking order at RB and Osman / Gibson are the first choice at CM Think it all depends on the opposition tbh, he certainly hasn't been a bench player for the last 2 seasons, and Coleman has only just got the RB position this season remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 As for the next captain I really dont want it to be Jags, but there is nobody else to pick. Why? He's been with us for 6 years and he's contracted till 2017. We need a stable captain (i.e. - someone who will be here for the future) and I can see Phil being just that. I think he's good enough for Everton but just not good enough for the Top 4 which makes me believe he will honor his contract. I'd have his as captain in a heartbeat. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's wrong with Baines or Osman as choices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) What's wrong with Baines or Osman as choices? Baines doesn't seem to talk very much and hopefully Osman won't be a regular starter soon. Edited April 9, 2013 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's wrong with Baines or Osman as choices? Whats wrong with Jagielka? I would actually class those two as candidates too though. I'd be inclined to give it to Baines to try and stop him from moving to clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea but I don't know whether he has it in him to be a skipper. He's a brilliant footballer and there is no question about that but I'm unsure if he's a born leader. Osman is a good choice but with age he might go to same way as Phil and end up being shite, Phil seems the safest option to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Baines doesn't seem to talk very much and hopefully Osman won't be a regular starter soon. Maybe Ossie as club captain and Jags as first team captain....sure we've had separate people doing the two roles in the past. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Maybe Ossie as club captain and Jags as first team captain....sure we've had separate people doing the two roles in the past. Seems a likely scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Maybe Ossie as club captain and Jags as first team captain....sure we've had separate people doing the two roles in the past. What's the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 What's the difference One on the pitch and one off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thoward18 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Whats wrong with Jagielka? I would actually class those two as candidates too though. I'd be inclined to give it to Baines to try and stop him from moving to clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea but I don't know whether he has it in him to be a skipper. He's a brilliant footballer and there is no question about that but I'm unsure if he's a born leader. Osman is a good choice but with age he might go to same way as Phil and end up being shite, Phil seems the safest option to me. Nothing, I like Jags and he'd be a fine pick. But someone else said there was nobody else. Baines maybe isn't very vocal but he's a veteran who has been with the team for a long time and certainly takes on a leadership role on the field. Osman is Osman, though he's getting up there in age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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