Newty82 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 i misread your post, but the pout is the same. You don't have to accept a call up if you don't want to go Yes you do. Rule 3.1 in Fifas Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players says... As a general rule, every player registered with a club is obliged to respond affirmatively when called up by the association he is eligible to represent on the basis of his nationality to play for one of its representative teams. You could refuse but then the relevant FA could see that you are banned from playing for your club. Rule 5... 5. A player who has been called up by his association for one of its representative teams is, unless otherwise agreed by the relevant association, not entitled to play for the club with which he is registered during the period for which he has been released or should have been released pursuant to the provisions of this annexe. This restriction on playing for the club shall, moreover, be prolonged by five days in the event that the player, for whatsoever reason, did not wish to or was unable to comply with the call-up. A player could refuse a call up, but it isn't without potential ramifications. See the recent Cameroon AFCON case. All this 'he should just say no' is unfair. Not only is it unlikely for a good pro to want to turn down his national team, it also isn't as simple as we think it is. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 So you don't have to go but there might be consequences. Bit different to "yes you do", it falls under "no you don't" for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'm sure if Macca had a world with Martin O'Neil he wouldnt play him. It's Maccas responsibility as much a MO'N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I'm sure if Macca had a world with Martin O'Neil he wouldnt play him. It's Maccas responsibility as much a MO'N Really? What knowledge of the relationship are you party to the rest of us are ignorant of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Really? What knowledge of the relationship are you party to the rest of us are ignorant of? "Gaffer I'm not fit" "You're playing anyway" Can't see it in any team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 So you don't have to go but there might be consequences. Bit different to "yes you do", it falls under "no you don't" for me. I feel like you're taking the piss a little bit? Or just being blindly stubborn? I've gone to the trouble of looking it up, not that I agree with it or anything, and the rules clearly use the word affirmatively, and you still don't believe that if you are called up, you are basically obliged to go? If you don't, you cause a shit storm. As has been proven a few times. And let's be honest, it doesn't matter what it falls under for you, the FIFA rule says it all!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I blame O'Neill and Keane, they knew he had problems with his hamstrings, they knew he was just coming back from injury. We told them not to play him and what do they do? Accelerate his recovery and as a result he breaks down. Fucking Cunts both of them. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) If you are obliged to attend as you say Newty, it doesn't mean you have to play. If you say you are injured to get out of playing it's obvious you wouldn't then go and play for your club. That's when the FA would step in. The player can always say no. Edited March 24, 2017 by Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 In fairness in the interview afterwards MON seemed to suggest he was dropped as a precaution more than anything. Lets hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Fucks sake sad to say I was right here. Been injured 3-4 times this year. Sell him this summer walsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Fucks sake sad to say I was right here. Been injured 3-4 times this year. Sell him this summer walsh You are missing the huge picture here MJB.... he's had 2 of these injuries because martin oneill played him when he wasn't fit. The reason he got injuries in the first place was because martinez did the same. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I feel like you're taking the piss a little bit? Or just being blindly stubborn? I've gone to the trouble of looking it up, not that I agree with it or anything, and the rules clearly use the word affirmatively, and you still don't believe that if you are called up, you are basically obliged to go? If you don't, you cause a shit storm. As has been proven a few times. And let's be honest, it doesn't matter what it falls under for you, the FIFA rule says it all!!! not at all taking the piss. 1 rule says you have to then the next says you don't but there'll be ramifications. So there's still and option to say no, which isn't the same as you have to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 I've like the look of McCarthy this season, but have to agree with MJB. The guy is more injury prone than Darron Gibson these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Guys I think we all knew what Newty meant. There are rules to try to enforce you to oblige when your called up. But obviously you can get out of it by being smart. Just if you say ..na I don't feel like it.... there could be a backlash. I don't think a single person really thought Newty meant that they HAD to even if injured etc. He even quoted the rule book for you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Fucking ridiculous that he was even called up when he was still recovering. Can't stand that rat O'Neill. efc1111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Fucking ridiculous that he was even called up when he was still recovering. Can't stand that rat O'Neill. He's a fking curse Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Guys I think we all knew what Newty meant. There are rules to try to enforce you to oblige when your called up. But obviously you can get out of it by being smart. Just if you say ..na I don't feel like it.... there could be a backlash. I don't think a single person really thought Newty meant that they HAD to even if injured etc. He even quoted the rule book for you all. Thumbs up!! It's like our working lives isn't it? I can get up tomorrow, and say 'no, I'm not going'. We all have a right to say no. We can all refuse to do whatever we want to refuse to. But then what happens?! Common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Fucking ridiculous that he was even called up when he was still recovering. Can't stand that rat O'Neill. Whilst I agree completely with you, McCarthy has to shoulder some of the blame here. If he wasn't fit he should have just said so not tried to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Time to cut our losses on him in the summer , if we can get any fee at all for him then we should take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Whilst I agree completely with you, McCarthy has to shoulder some of the blame here. If he wasn't fit he should have just said so not tried to play. Time to cut our losses on him in the summer , if we can get any fee at all for him then we should take it agree with both of you London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Time to cut our losses on him in the summer , if we can get any fee at all for him then we should take it im reluctantly having to agree. Martinez gave him the chance but also ended him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 not at all taking the piss. 1 rule says you have to then the next says you don't but there'll be ramifications. So there's still and option to say no, which isn't the same as you have to go. Yes he could say no but ireland would likely complain to FIFA and then he's likely to get banned from playing for us for a few games. They created the rule to stop clubs from 'feigning' injury to a player and stopping them from joining the national team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/27/everton-unhappy-james-mccarthy-suffers-injury-ireland/ Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/27/everton-unhappy-james-mccarthy-suffers-injury-ireland/ Yep. I've been waiting on Everton to state their unhappiness. Deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Yes he could say no but ireland would likely complain to FIFA and then he's likely to get banned from playing for us for a few games. They created the rule to stop clubs from 'feigning' injury to a player and stopping them from joining the national team. Exactly but in his case he's not feigning anything, and should've been honest enough to say he couldn't play. I know he'll want to, but he should take some of the responsibility for this latest setback; we can't just blame all of it on Ireland or Martinez, he has to shoulder some too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Exactly but in his case he's not feigning anything, and should've been honest enough to say he couldn't play. I know he'll want to, but he should take some of the responsibility for this latest setback; we can't just blame all of it on Ireland or Martinez, he has to shoulder some too It really would help if O'Neill would stop putting him in that position by calling him up though. If he'd been playing for us and then was called up then I'd have no problem with it, but he hadn't been fit enough to play for his club, so putting him in the squad was just plain wrong. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 It really would help if O'Neill would stop putting him in that position by calling him up though. If he'd been playing for us and then was called up then I'd have no problem with it, but he hadn't been fit enough to play for his club, so putting him in the squad was just plain wrong. Completely agree, just saying he's not without blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 He should see it as "I want to play professional football for as long as possible at the highest level" and start looking after himself, stop playing when he's not fully fit. Matt, Lowensda and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 RK must be pissed as fuck with the Ireland setup at the moment everytime we send someone out to them they come back injured, i bet he is going to want a few words in MON's ear at some point as we just can't trust them to keep our players in one piece! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 I doubt he will play for us again. He will be out injured for a couple of weeks by the time he is back Morgan will be fit. I imagine having gone against Koeman he will be sold in the summer. Shame really as he was a good player before his injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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