Duncan Ferguson

[Newty82]

He said he told Holgate to start at kick off at CB, then run straight into CM, as a joke as everyone was telling him it was a 5-3-2. So he went along with it.

How mads that?! Again, if this was a foreigner who'd won even a paper cup in the last 20 years, we'd be lapping this sort of shit up. Brilliant.

[Finn balor]

Someone out of the squad/management must have leaked it cos ole knew it would happen 

[MikeO]

34 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

He said he told Holgate to start at kick off at CB, then run straight into CM, as a joke as everyone was telling him it was a 5-3-2. So he went along with it.

How mads that?! Again, if this was a foreigner who'd won even a paper cup in the last 20 years, we'd be lapping this sort of shit up. Brilliant.

Saw it, loved it. Mind games from Ferguson in his second ever game in charge; he's not going to get the job just now but the potential is there for the future, which I never anticipated.

[Newty82]

13 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

Someone out of the squad/management must have leaked it cos ole knew it would happen 

Yeah, course they did

Didn't Ole think it was 5 at the back? Everyone else thought it was 5 at the back - us, pundits, even the Club put 5 at the back!!!

[Newty82]

12 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Saw it, loved it. Mind games from Ferguson in his second ever game in charge; he's not going to get the job just now but the potential is there for the future, which I never anticipated.

To be honest, and without getting over the top, I think he's shown some real qualities in his interviews, selections, attitude, tactics. I'd like to see him manage properly at some point. Would be good to see how he fairs. Maybe Assistant to Ancelotti (IF!). Who knows.

Been impressive though.

[Finn balor]

7 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Yeah, course they did

Didn't Ole think it was 5 at the back? Everyone else thought it was 5 at the back - us, pundits, even the Club put 5 at the back!!!

No before the match they asked him and he said I think one of duncs centre backs will play in midfield. I posted about it before the game in the match thread 

[markjazzbassist]

12 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Yeah, course they did

Didn't Ole think it was 5 at the back? Everyone else thought it was 5 at the back - us, pundits, even the Club put 5 at the back!!!

i've wondered this for a long time, why do they have to release their formation?  and why don't more clubs mess with it to try and trick their opponents?  surely this can't be the first time?  if so, are there fines if you're not forthright with the formation?

 

i ask because nothing like this is done in US sports, the starting lineup isn't announced until the game starts.  So all the game planning is done in advance and it's just a guess on the day of.

[Newty82]

6 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

No before the match they asked him and he said I think one of duncs centre backs will play in midfield. I posted about it before the game in the match thread 

Ah fair enough. Clearly the mole was Kean. We all seen what happened there.

[pete0]

35 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i've wondered this for a long time, why do they have to release their formation?  and why don't more clubs mess with it to try and trick their opponents?  surely this can't be the first time?  if so, are there fines if you're not forthright with the formation?

 

i ask because nothing like this is done in US sports, the starting lineup isn't announced until the game starts.  So all the game planning is done in advance and it's just a guess on the day of.

They submit a team sheet with who's playing but they don't give the formation, usually they do it in order of their squad number. 

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

To be honest, and without getting over the top, I think he's shown some real qualities in his interviews, selections, attitude, tactics. I'd like to see him manage properly at some point. Would be good to see how he fairs. Maybe Assistant to Ancelotti (IF!). Who knows.

Been impressive though.

That’s exactly what Sky were saying Ferguson would be if Ancelotti comes. 

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

....why do they have to release their formation? 

They don't.

[Bailey]

1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

Yeah, course they did

Didn't Ole think it was 5 at the back? Everyone else thought it was 5 at the back - us, pundits, even the Club put 5 at the back!!!

There might have been someone on these boards who suggested it could be 442 with Holgate in midfield... I bet that person is a good looking fella too

[Newty82]

33 minutes ago, Bailey said:

There might have been someone on these boards who suggested it could be 442 with Holgate in midfield... I bet that person is a good looking fella too

Did you tell Ole?!

[Finn balor]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

There might have been someone on these boards who suggested it could be 442 with Holgate in midfield... I bet that person is a good looking fella too

To be fair i put on what ole had said about a centre half moving into midfield bails and u said it could only be Holgate out of the three. It was hardly mystic meg

[Newty82]

2 minutes ago, Finn balor said:

To be fair i put on what ole had said about a centre half moving into midfield bails and u said it could only be Holgate out of the three. It was hardly mystic meg

....but he is good looking. So he wins.

[Finn balor]

I’ll accept 

[markjazzbassist]

7 hours ago, pete0 said:

They submit a team sheet with who's playing but they don't give the formation, usually they do it in order of their squad number. 

Thank you @pete0!! So it’s just a guess from the club marketing dept and the tv pundits on formation (other team too for that matter).

 

ok gotcha.

[Bailey]

18 hours ago, Finn balor said:

To be fair i put on what ole had said about a centre half moving into midfield bails and u said it could only be Holgate out of the three. It was hardly mystic meg

I think I also said it before... I haven't checked but as long as it's agreed that I'm a looker, I see no reason to contine the dispute

[Aidan]

He's done a fantastic job over the past 2 weeks, and has actually shut a lot of people up. 

Massively proud to have him and his influence here and hope that one day he will get his chance full time.

Wouldnt surprise me if a lower league club will be sniffing around him if they're in need of a new gaffer and I hope he takes that opportunity if it arises and makes his way back here. 

NSNO.

[Finn balor]

Stubbs had a go and looked what happened. Dunc has a good job learning off one of the genuine best managers in the world. He might think his bread is buttered quite nicely 

[Finn balor]

Loved seeing him with the fans after the game. The man is a legend don’t care what anybody says. 

[Hafnia]

Well done Dunc. Done a grand job in very difficult circumstances.

 

[Bill]

1 minute ago, Finn balor said:

Loved seeing him with the fans after the game. The man is a legend don’t care what anybody says. 

Brilliant. I think he will be manager here sometime in the Future.

[Palfy]

Thank you Big Dunc got us right out the shit in the last few weeks top man. 

[Bailey]

If Ancellotti doesn't work then I can see him getting the gig.

[StevO]

Done really well in the last few weeks, today was a weak point for me. Poor substitutions, but he’s learning and can’t ask for someone better to learn from than Carlo. 

[badaids]

Well done and thanks Dunc, take a bow.

[Newty82]

Done a real good job under the circumstances. Fair play to the man. Deserves all the credit he can get.

To get some pride back at Goodison Park was a feat in itself after the season we've had so far. But to also grind out the results we've had with this depleted squad, brilliant. The way he's handled himself with the media, the tactics, the fans - brilliant. Couple of raw tactical decisions, but all part of the learning curve and he's brave enough to take the lessons.

Thoroughly deserves a chance to work one of the most decorated managers in World football. I'm sure we'll see him again!

[Hafnia]

I was of the belief that his association with 3 failed managers should mean he should go too.... it makes sense really....

However what he has been afforded the chance to do is to show his credentials and that he has ability to make his mark without the blurred lines of hierarchies above him. 

Along with Ebbrell and Jeffers he has done a great job.... kicked some arses and hopefully his qualities that he has shown will be utilised by Carlo, a man notorious for being all ears to senior people around him and using their input.

There were rumblings that Martinez used to keep Dunc away from the team prior to the derby as he would be getting aggressive and hyped up and Roberto didn't like that... then there was stories that he had issues with players like mirrallas and schneiderlein and you wondered how they were allowed to exist with poor attitudes.

It's clear to me that Duncan was far more intolerant of nonsense and general malaise than we may have been led to believe. He got the players to clear their lines rather than pass out... He took off two lazy arse substitutes...... something never seen with our previously over indulged super striker.  I did notice that Tosun was subbed, Don Carlo started smirking..... it was as if to acknowledge that he found his enforcer, and that he admired the balls to do something that needed to be done. 

[Romey 1878]

9 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I was of the belief that his association with 3 failed managers should mean he should go too.... it makes sense really....

However what he has been afforded the chance to do is to show his credentials and that he has ability to make his mark without the blurred lines of hierarchies above him. 

Along with Ebbrell and Jeffers he has done a great job.... kicked some arses and hopefully his qualities that he has shown will be utilised by Carlo, a man notorious for being all ears to senior people around him and using their input.

There were rumblings that Martinez used to keep Dunc away from the team prior to the derby as he would be getting aggressive and hyped up and Roberto didn't like that... then there was stories that he had issues with players like mirrallas and schneiderlein and you wondered how they were allowed to exist with poor attitudes.

It's clear to me that Duncan was far more intolerant of nonsense and general malaise than we may have been led to believe. He got the players to clear their lines rather than pass out... He took off two lazy arse substitutes...... something never seen with our previously over indulged super striker.  I did notice that Tosun was subbed, Don Carlo started smirking..... it was as if to acknowledge that he found his enforcer, and that he admired the balls to do something that needed to be done. 

This for me as well. 

He got pretty much everything wrong yesterday, which is a shame for him, but he's done a superb job under the circumstances and he should be very proud of himself and look forward to what should be a positive future for him.