fcssl Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) Announced a little later than expected, allegedly to coincide with the Italian evening eight o'clock news bulletins...here is the result of the trial... Juventus = Relegated To Seria B -30pts! AC Milan = 15-point deficit, and have had 44 points taken from their tally for the 2005-06 season. Fiorentina = Relegated To Seria B - 12pts! Lazio = Relegated to Seria B - 7 pts! Edited July 14, 2006 by www.fc-ssl.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 is that official? and how long are AC banned from the champions league? If you ask me thats wrecked italian footy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcssl Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) Well as official as it can get...just been released on BBC 5 Live. BBC Sport reports "Serie A sides Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been demoted to the second division for their involvement in Italy's match-fixing scandal. AC Milan will stay in Serie A but will lose 15 points and will be kicked out of the Champions League. Juventus were also stripped of their last two titles and had 30 points deducted meaning that they are almost certain to stay down for two seasons. Lazio were penalised seven points while Fiorentina suffered a 12 point penalty. The clubs will have three days to appeal to the Federal Court. The FIGC (Italian football's governing body) must hand Uefa the lists of teams which will be involved in European competitions by 25 July. The tribunal in Rome investigated charges that the clubs, their management, football officials and referees tried to influence the outcome of matches by interfering with the appointment of officials. In May transcripts were published of telephone conversations between former Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi and Italian Football Association officials, discussing refereeing appointments in the 2004-05 season. FIGC prosecutor Stefano Palazzi also charged 26 individuals for sporting fraud and violating fairness and probity. All four clubs implicated denied the accusations. Thirteen of Italy's World Cup-winning squad play for the clubs involved, with five at Juventus, who also number Patrick Vieira, Lilian Thuram, David Trezeguet, Pavel Nedved and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in their ranks. or visit the BBC pages here Edited July 14, 2006 by www.fc-ssl.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 How long are AC banned from CL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Announced a little later than expected, allegedly to coincide with the Italian evening eight o'clock news bulletins...here is the result of the trial... Juventus = Relegated To Seria B -30pts! AC Milan = Remain in top flight -44pts & banned from Champions League! Fiorentina = Relegated To Seria B - 12pts! Lazio = Relegated to Seria B - 7 pts! 38751[/snapback] AC Milan have avoided relegation, but will start next season with a 15-point deficit, and have had 44 points taken from their tally for the 2005-06 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcssl Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 thanks Adam's, I was typing it in as it was being announced...I have amended my original post accordingly for people coming into this thread. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moyski Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Can Juve scrap that back to survive? i don't think they can!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_webby Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 to be honest speculation will be stupid now espaecially for the likes of wigan and barcodes i think we may miss it but would like to see an attempt to loan some players (as mentioned in another thread) but i believe it is totally deserved and possibly could send italian football into free fall for 10 years tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny the Blue Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 I didnt kno about AC being docked that many for the season just gone. thant must put them right in the shit now and also startin with -15! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) thanks Adam's, I was typing it in as it was being announced...I have amended my original post accordingly for people coming into this thread. Cheers 38766[/snapback] ok mate, juve ave got a hard task on there hands of surviving heres wat some managers think of it: ROEDER: ITALIAN CLUBS 'UNACCEPTABLE' Newcastle manager Glenn Roeder has spoke of the "murky world of professional sport" after the verdicts were delivered following an investigation into match-fixing in Italian football. And Roeder said: "We all go into football - any sport - to play by the rules of the sport. "For me personally, I wouldn't get the same satisfaction out of winning if I crossed the line, as it were. "But you know in the murky world of professional sport, people are prepared to do that. "It's like the outcry over the discovery of the referee over in Germany. That's totally unacceptable, and of course, the German football federation, they were disgusted by it. "By the quality of the World Cup they have just staged, that's wiped that away. "But it reminds you, it reminds the authorities, to keep a look-out for the characters that may go beyond the line. It's unacceptable behaviour." New Middlesbrough boss Gareth Southgate said: "I have no insight into the goings-on in Italy, but you would hope it wouldn't happen in any country. "The fact is it has and it's a great shame coming off such a high (winning the World Cup) that they have this to face as a nation just a day or two later." Asked if it could it happen here, Southgate said: "It's not something I've encountered in my 18-19 years. You hope it's not the case, but you should never take things for granted." Sheffield United manager Neil Warnock is adamant a similar controversy could not happen in the British game. "I couldn't see that happening here," remarked Warnock to PA Sport. "I can only see it happening in somewhere like Italy or Spain, but over here I think it would be difficult. "First of all, I don't think politically our boards of chairman and directors are brought up like that. "Obviously, in every walk of life there's certain people you can't class as honest. "But in our league I don't think they would be able to get as far as they have in Italy without somebody seeing something and putting a stop to it." Edited July 14, 2006 by Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Cobolli Gigli has reacted angrily to the news and vowed to fight the punishment. "This verdict is unheard of," he said. "We expected a balanced sentence not only in form but in substance, our expectations were different ones. "We could have expected relegation to the second division but to be also handed a 30- point deduction is almost like relegation to the third division. "We will appeal." Fiorentina also immediately announced their intentions to appeal against the punishment. "Fiorentina take note of the verdict given by the Federal Appeal Commission but retains it profoundly unjust," said a statement on the club's official website, www.acffiorentina.it. "Fiorentina wishes to reiterate the absolute correctness of the club and of their own executives. "Fiorentina will fight with every means possible so that the truth of the facts are revealed." Milan managed to avoid the drop to Serie B but were also unhappy with the verdict, which means they will not be able to play in the Champions League next season. "AC Milan retains the decision by the CAF of extraordinary injustice," said a statement on www.acmilan.com. "We will appeal once the documents of the verdict will be available, with the certainty that the procedure will be radically modified by appeal." Former Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani was one of several individuals also punished as a result of the investigation. Galliani was handed a one-year suspension from all football activities while Lazio president Claudio Lotito was banned for three years and his Fiorentina counterpart, Andrea Della Valle, was given a four-year punishment. Former Juve general manager Luciano Moggi, who was at the centre of the investigation after his telephone conversations with a referee supremo in charge of the appointments of officials during the 2004/05 season were tapped, was suspended for five years. "I'm not saddened for myself but for the teams involved and for their fans," said Moggi. Referee Massimo De Santis, who had been due to officiate at the World Cup before becoming embroiled in the investigation, has been suspended from football for four and a half years and former FIGC president Franco Carraro was also handed a four-year suspension. The decision to strip Juve of their title means the Turin club will not be allowed to play in the Champions League next season, while Lazio are also barred from taking part in the UEFA Cup. Lotito was fuming following the verdict. "I think this sentence is provisional as it's based on a theorem which is completely ridiculous," he said. "I will not make any decisions until a final sentence is given." Subject to any appeals, the rulings mean that Inter Milan and Roma will gain automatic qualification to the Champions League, with Chievo and Palermo going into the qualifiers for the tournament. Livorno, Parma and Empoli will be entered into the UEFA Cup. In addition, Lecce, Messina, and Treviso will avoid relegation to Serie B and keep their places in the top flight as a result of the verdict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Cobolli Gigli has reacted angrily to the news and vowed to fight the punishment. "This verdict is unheard of," he said. "We expected a balanced sentence not only in form but in substance, our expectations were different ones. "We could have expected relegation to the second division but to be also handed a 30- point deduction is almost like relegation to the third division. "We will appeal." Fiorentina also immediately announced their intentions to appeal against the punishment. "Fiorentina take note of the verdict given by the Federal Appeal Commission but retains it profoundly unjust," said a statement on the club's official website, www.acffiorentina.it. "Fiorentina wishes to reiterate the absolute correctness of the club and of their own executives. "Fiorentina will fight with every means possible so that the truth of the facts are revealed." Milan managed to avoid the drop to Serie B but were also unhappy with the verdict, which means they will not be able to play in the Champions League next season. "AC Milan retains the decision by the CAF of extraordinary injustice," said a statement on www.acmilan.com. "We will appeal once the documents of the verdict will be available, with the certainty that the procedure will be radically modified by appeal." Former Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani was one of several individuals also punished as a result of the investigation. Galliani was handed a one-year suspension from all football activities while Lazio president Claudio Lotito was banned for three years and his Fiorentina counterpart, Andrea Della Valle, was given a four-year punishment. Former Juve general manager Luciano Moggi, who was at the centre of the investigation after his telephone conversations with a referee supremo in charge of the appointments of officials during the 2004/05 season were tapped, was suspended for five years. "I'm not saddened for myself but for the teams involved and for their fans," said Moggi. Referee Massimo De Santis, who had been due to officiate at the World Cup before becoming embroiled in the investigation, has been suspended from football for four and a half years and former FIGC president Franco Carraro was also handed a four-year suspension. The decision to strip Juve of their title means the Turin club will not be allowed to play in the Champions League next season, while Lazio are also barred from taking part in the UEFA Cup. Lotito was fuming following the verdict. "I think this sentence is provisional as it's based on a theorem which is completely ridiculous," he said. "I will not make any decisions until a final sentence is given." Subject to any appeals, the rulings mean that Inter Milan and Roma will gain automatic qualification to the Champions League, with Chievo and Palermo going into the qualifiers for the tournament. Livorno, Parma and Empoli will be entered into the UEFA Cup. In addition, Lecce, Messina, and Treviso will avoid relegation to Serie B and keep their places in the top flight as a result of the verdict. 38795[/snapback] not worth it there all as bent as a three pound note just got caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 yep agree the bans shouldnt be lifted for wat they done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 should be entertaining! does blow their league apart, juventus will be in serie B for at least 2 seasons as there's no way they'll win the leauge by 30 points, they will however probably win the cup so get back in to the Uefa cup in a year's time. though AC will also be trying in cup competitions as they will find it hard to compete in the league. a major boost for english and spanish clubs who will now be favourites for the champions league with the other major forces going out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 How many get promoted to seria A from B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 will there be a massive play off to see who now goes in2 the cl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Duno how many get promoted? Edited July 15, 2006 by Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 ok 38903[/snapback] Eh? He was asking a question not answering your one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 investigation into match-fixing by the Federal Appeal Commission on Friday banned Milan from playing in this season's Champions League - they did, however, avoid relegation to Serie B unlike Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina. Subject to the appeals - all four clubs have confirmed they will challenge the Commission's rulings - Inter Milan and Roma will gain automatic qualification to next season's Champions League while Chievo and Palermo enter the tournament at the qualifying round stage. Livorno, Parma and Empoli will be entered into the UEFA Cup. However, a statement on Milan's official website suggests they are looking to compete in the UEFA Cup at Empoli's expense. "At this time, Empoli do not have a licence to play in the UEFA Cup, having failed to request it and therefore, they cannot participate in a European competition," the statement read. "The time frame to request a licence has already expired, hence for AC Milan there is the possibility to play in the 2006-07 UEFA Cup." Milan have incurred a 44-point deduction from last year's total, which puts them a point below Empoli in the final league standings. Their optimism looks to be misplaced, however, as Italian Football Federation commissioner Guido Rossi insisted on Saturday morning that justice had been done and that the punishments fitted the crimes. "The sporting justice has worked perfectly," he said. "Now we must rewrite the rules of football so these things never happen again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Juventus president Giovanni Cobolli Gigli is confident they will succeed in their appeal. Also Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to make a major transfer swoop on Italy's scandal-hit Serie B. Edited July 15, 2006 by Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluenose Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Juventus president Giovanni Cobolli Gigli is confident they will succeed in their appeal.Also Sir Alex Ferguson is ready to make a major transfer swoop on Italy's scandal-hit Serie B. 39011[/snapback] i bet he is. a couple of million will persuade the judges. face it the whole country is bent. thats why i hate italians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetrip Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I cant believe the directors could be back in football in a few years, What a joke, they should be sent down for fraud. As for if it could happen in England, have they forgotten about Groblaar, Segers etc match fixing scandel? And remember that floodlit match in England that went out during the game and it had to be replayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 I cant believe the directors could be back in football in a few years, What a joke, they should be sent down for fraud. As for if it could happen in England, have they forgotten about Groblaar, Segers etc match fixing scandel? And remember that floodlit match in England that went out during the game and it had to be replayed. 39066[/snapback] its a shitty country full of cheats and drama queens what do you exspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is planning to raid the Juventus fire-sale and swoop for striker David Trezeguet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 He wants him on a year long loan, let them have him he'll be another French flop for the shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 He wants him on a year long loan, let them have him he'll be another French flop for the shite 39123[/snapback] another anelka here me thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 (edited) i think hes a good player but i think he wnt play good in the prem... Ruud van Nistelrooy's agent has confirmed the Manchester United striker is keen on a move to Real Madrid. Tottenham have offered Juventus midfielder Pavel Nedved the chance to end his career at White Hart Lane, according to the player's agent. Arsene Wenger has warned Arsenal fans not to expect a flurry of signings from Serie A. Liverpool still want to sign another striker with David Trezeguet top of their wish-list. Edited July 16, 2006 by Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 The Rome and Florence outfits were originally relegated to Serie B and docked seven and 12 points respectively for the new season. But they have returned to the top flight following an announcement by federal court president Piero Sandulli on Tuesday night. Fiorentina will start the new season with a 19-point deduction, while Lazio will start with an 11-point deficit. Juventus, the club hardest hit for breaking Italian Football Federation (FIGC) rules, remain in Serie B but have had their 30-point deduction reduced to 17. AC Milan, who avoided relegation under the original verdict, have seen their 15-point penalty for next season reduced to eight. The verdict means Milan will play in the forthcoming season's Champions League - along with Inter Milan, Roma and Chievo - but will have to go through the qualifying rounds. Both Juventus and Fiorentina were given three-match stadium bans, meaning they will play their first trio of home games in their 2006-07 campaigns on neutral territory. Lazio and Milan were handed two-match and one-match stadium bans respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickboy Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 & now juve will appel again & get back into serie A, which basicly means FIX AWAY in italy, the FA wont stop you. Good message to send out to europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Juventus have vowed to use all legal avenues to reduce their punishment in the match-fixing scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Its a disgrace isnt it, what was the point in punishing them in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 yea its efc fan Juve after there appeal will prob be back in seria A; stupid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 The Italian FA had to be seen to be doing something in the eyes of FIFA otherwise they would risk their international status. Lets face it, Serie A brings in big money, but only because the big teams have big players. Juventus are given preferential treatment as are Man U and Chelski, because they are the big earners. There will always be one rule for the majority, and one rule for the elite few, ie Man U and the FA cup a few years ago. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 The Italian FA had to be seen to be doing something in the eyes of FIFA otherwise they would risk their international status. Lets face it, Serie A brings in big money, but only because the big teams have big players. Juventus are given preferential treatment as are Man U and Chelski, because they are the big earners. There will always be one rule for the majority, and one rule for the elite few, ie Man U and the FA cup a few years ago. ATB Mac 41535[/snapback] your only right mac they dont want to upset the apple cart do they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 UEFA might be overturning the Italian FA's decision to let AC Milan go into the Champions League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 they bloody should do, italy is a disgrace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 and i hope there not allowed to play in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 and i hope there not allowed to play in it 41678[/snapback] iit looks like there gonna be in it by whats gone on sounds dodgy to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 iit looks like there gonna be in it by whats gone on sounds dodgy to me 41779[/snapback] they are in 3rd quailfying stage fuckin disgrace italian footy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 they are in 3rd quailfying stage fuckin disgrace italian footy 41810[/snapback] The decision to decide if they remain in the Champions League will take place next week, so thats just a provisional place in the qualifiers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Italian League start delayed The Italian Football League have confirmed that the new Serie A season will now kick off on September 10. The fresh campaign was originally scheduled to start on August 27, but that date has been deemed as unrealistic given another summer of controversy in Italian football. Due to the various appeals with regard to the initial Calciopoli sentences and the threat of another tribunal hearing involving more clubs, the new season’s start date has been delayed by two weeks. Serie A will start on September 10 and come to a conclusion on May 27, 2007. Serie B will begin on September 9 and end on June 10, 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Serie A giants AC Milan will compete in this season's Champions League, UEFA have announced on Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 Just been catching up on this one on teletex, what a f*cking shame the powers that be, have capitulated in the shameful manner that they did. It would appear that the status quo must be maintained at all costs, the big teams will always be allowed more leeway than the smaller (less glamerous teams). I just feel EUFA have lost a certain amount of credibility over this debacle. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch Tuesday Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 It's pitiful. look at other sports recently, Tour de France winner, and 100m world record holder, on possible drugs use, and if guilty, get 4 year outright ban, and lifetime ban respectively. The rest of Europe should just refuse to play Italian sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluenose Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 yeh look at heysel. there only should have been 2 sides banned from europe that time. liverpool and juve. but no all english sides banned for 5 years and liverpool for 6. were any itai sides banned. i dont think so. these bastards cant do anything right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams Posted August 2, 2006 Report Share Posted August 2, 2006 its a disgrace that the teams even had the cheek to appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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