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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

I tried the beard route myself (for about the 20th time in my life), my brother has one and it looks really good. Me? I just look like a tramp:(🧔

I can't get past the itching.  I've got seriously course and curly hair.  I get all-sorts of sores then when I shave I'm covered in bumps. 

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Finally got around to watching his interview and I have to admit I'm impressed. He came across really well and genuinely seems excited to play for us. Yeah, they're just words and we'll have to see what he does on the pitch, but he's off to a good start nonetheless. 

Also, I didn't realize he is left-footed.

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14 hours ago, RuffRob said:

Think your missing the whole point - At the time of his signing Barry was not a popular signing due to age and his profile. Don't tell me Barry was a popular signing with most people at the time and that we all knew he would do so well in the arse end of his career. Most bitched about it! 

Nobody is saying Townsend will be as good as Barry for us if you read the posts properly. You say 'clearly not going have anywhere near the impact of Barry' before he's kicked a ball for us. What crystal ball you using to have such 'clarity' That's  lazy if anything is. 

I am not saying he's 'clearly' going to be as good a signing as Barry. I am saying he is not a particular popular signing (similar to Barry - thus a valid comparison in this respect) , but might actual prove to be quite good value.

I get the point of the age and expectation, but my point is that people should have been looking at the players and that is where the comparison gets lazy. Just because Barry was old and not liked, doesn't mean Townsend will be the same because he is old and not liked. Maybe our points are getting crossed!

8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Man of the match on his England debut. Scored a screamer from 25 yards. 

13 England caps and 3 goals.  

Leon Osman was very good and he never got those caps .....

I think it's fair to say that he has been considered very good.  

I understand this doesn't fit your confirmation bias and he is doomed before he kicks a ball but I'm ok with this signing.

Are you using an England performance where he scored a screamer and got MOTM (surprise, surprise) against Montenegro. We should have given him the Ballon D'or.

What exactly is my confirmation bias with Townsend? I would love to know.

Throughout all of your replies, you haven't really said anything about what he is good at as a player. Its Harry Redknapp says this, in a one-off performance he did that. It is just complete BS.

6 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

Finally got around to watching his interview and I have to admit I'm impressed. He came across really well and genuinely seems excited to play for us. Yeah, they're just words and we'll have to see what he does on the pitch, but he's off to a good start nonetheless. 

Also, I didn't realize he is left-footed.

By all accounts he is a model pro and looks after himself as well and given the many other comments from ex-teammates it sounds like he is well liked in the dressing room as well.

I actually think he is two-footed. I hadn't realised this before but watching back some of his clips he is scoring and assisting with both feet.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I get the point of the age and expectation, but my point is that people should have been looking at the players and that is where the comparison gets lazy. Just because Barry was old and not liked, doesn't mean Townsend will be the same because he is old and not liked. Maybe our points are getting crossed!

Are you using an England performance where he scored a screamer and got MOTM (surprise, surprise) against Montenegro. We should have given him the Ballon D'or.

What exactly is my confirmation bias with Townsend? I would love to know.

Throughout all of your replies, you haven't really said anything about what he is good at as a player. Its Harry Redknapp says this, in a one-off performance he did that. It is just complete BS.

By all accounts he is a model pro and looks after himself as well and given the many other comments from ex-teammates it sounds like he is well liked in the dressing room as well.

I actually think he is two-footed. I hadn't realised this before but watching back some of his clips he is scoring and assisting with both feet.

Bailey put the shovel down.  You don't get picked for England by not being very good simple as that.  Redknapp compared him with a world class player ability wise and yes he can crack a ball with his left foot and whip it in with his right which makes him a nightmare for defenders. 

I would have thought your Bailey player appraisal and tactics system would have picked up on this? 

 

 

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16 hours ago, pete0 said:

Replacing Walcott, with a less good Walcott.

Much fitter than Walcott, expect him to be available and contribute when called on.  Don't expect him to score 10 goals and comes wanting to be here, which makes a huge difference.  Walcott was always an unwilling tourist.

19 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

Up to a point I agree ( he is half Greek Cypriot so it suits him) but my eldest has gone for the same beard during lockdown, not impressed.

You lot are a bit weird about beards.

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23 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Bailey put the shovel down.  You don't get picked for England by not being very good simple as that.  Redknapp compared him with a world class player ability wise and yes he can crack a ball with his left foot and whip it in with his right which makes him a nightmare for defenders. 

I would have thought your Bailey player appraisal and tactics system would have picked up on this? 

 

 

It doesn't mean that he is very good either though, which is what you said. Are all the players in this squad (5 years ago) also very good?

 

England’s 26-man provisional squad for Euro 2016

Goalkeepers: Tom Heaton (Burnley), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Manchester City)

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham)

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham), Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Danny Drinkwater (Leicester City), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Andros Townsend (Newcastle United). Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

Forwards: Harry Kane (Tottenham), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United)

You have been telling us how crap Pickford is for years but I guess that his England appearances and MOTM awards don't count. Maybe I can find a quote of someone comparing him to Buffon?

You also do realise that I literally said he was two footed in the same post.

21 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Pure striker of a ball.  Like a bilyaletdinov strike. 

Look how that worked out! :P

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

It doesn't mean that he is very good either though, which is what you said. Are all the players in this squad (5 years ago) also very good?

 

England’s 26-man provisional squad for Euro 2016

Goalkeepers: Tom Heaton (Burnley), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Manchester City)

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham)

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham), Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Danny Drinkwater (Leicester City), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Andros Townsend (Newcastle United). Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)

Forwards: Harry Kane (Tottenham), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United)

You have been telling us how crap Pickford is for years but I guess that his England appearances and MOTM awards don't count. Maybe I can find a quote of someone comparing him to Buffon?

You also do realise that I literally said he was two footed in the same post.

Look how that worked out! :P

You ok mate? You seem to struggle with people having a positive opinion about a player who you lazily labelled without doing your in depth scouting analysis on. 

You made the initial point that no-one anywhere made comments alluding to Townsend being worked class..... Wrong, Redknapp said his ability was like Robbens.  Robben was world class.... That's a works class comparison 

I made the point that he is/has been a very good player as he played 13 times for England and scored 3 goals including a great performance. ...... So you include a squad list?!  Have all those players played 13 times and got man of the match???

I bet you were itching to name Carlton Palmer and co.

 

Apologies for my brain .... Despite Jordan Pickford's excellent euros my brain still tells me that he was indeed shite for a large period of games over the past 2 years.  Madness eh. 

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

You ok mate? You seem to struggle with people having a positive opinion about a player who you lazily labelled without doing your in depth scouting analysis on. 

You made the initial point that no-one anywhere made comments alluding to Townsend being worked class..... Wrong, Redknapp said his ability was like Robbens.  Robben was world class.... That's a works class comparison 

I made the point that he is/has been a very good player as he played 13 times for England and scored 3 goals including a great performance. ...... So you include a squad list?!  Have all those players played 13 times and got man of the match???

I bet you were itching to name Carlton Palmer and co.

 

Apologies for my brain .... Despite Jordan Pickford's excellent euros my brain still tells me that he was indeed shite for a large period of games over the past 2 years.  Madness eh. 

You just don't get it. 

I have no problem with you having a valid opinion about a player. You may well notice that I don't reply to everyone disagrees with me. It is good to have differences of opinion, it is what makes this place. 

I just find your responses to be absolute nonsense and completely contradictory. When I call you out on it, you go all around the houses arguing things I didn't actually say.

Whenever we do this, we end up so far from the actual point it is actually quite impressive. 

I have made my points about the qualities of Townsend. If you want to discuss them, I am all for it. If you want to quote me player opinions, something you heard from a mate, a chat you had with an ex-player or a MOTM award against a third rate side then I will just leave you to it. 

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Haf, I have a lot of love for you mate - if I ever get into trouble with the law you mind if I call you up as my attorney?
 

You’re one tenacious bastard and there’s just no chance they would ever get around to sentencing me before the state went broke! 

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43 minutes ago, Matt said:

Had a cracking effort hit the post 

Haven't seen it but that was one of the things I noticed about him in my YouTube scouting...... Venemous strike and great technique in getting through a ball. 

We don't have any players in midfield or attack who can really crack one from distance.  James strikes it nice but aside him???

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Haven't seen it but that was one of the things I noticed about him in my YouTube scouting...... Venemous strike and great technique in getting through a ball. 

We don't have any players in midfield or attack who can really crack one from distance.  James strikes it nice but aside him???

I put the highlights link in the preseason thread mate. Quality shot. Really hoping he fulfills his potential with us. 

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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Haven't seen it but that was one of the things I noticed about him in my YouTube scouting...... Venemous strike and great technique in getting through a ball. 

We don't have any players in midfield or attack who can really crack one from distance.  James strikes it nice but aside him???

Really it’s just James and Gylfi they can strike a ball. Digne use to have a few from distance but hasn’t of late. To his credit though, Townsend seems to have that left curler in his locker, we just need that marauding RB to create space for him.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don't doubt it at all. I'm confident he's not.

The 100% reality is this ....... He is better than anything we have had in that role for a long time.

We spent £70m and c£450k a week on Walcott, Iwobi, bollassie and Bernard and he is far better than them. 

In terms of expectations he is one player I predict will exceed the majority of fans and pleasantly surprise many. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

The 100% reality is this ....... He is better than anything we have had in that role for a long time.

We spent £70m and c£450k a week on Walcott, Iwobi, bollassie and Bernard and he is far better than them. 

In terms of expectations he is one player I predict will exceed the majority of fans and pleasantly surprise many. 

 

Haf, he's 30. I know exactly the type of player we're getting, it's not like he's just starting out and there's time for him to learn or whatever.

Gray is likely to be the one that could still come good.

Edit - at least people have stopped pedalling the supposed positive of him just being a squad player because they've now realised he's been brought in as a starter.

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33 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Haf, he's 30. I know exactly the type of player we're getting, it's not like he's just starting out and there's time for him to learn or whatever.

Gray is likely to be the one that could still come good.

Edit - at least people have stopped pedalling the supposed positive of him just being a squad player because they've now realised he's been brought in as a starter.

He's a better player than most people state - very underrated.  

The point I'm making is that it was very smart business getting him.  Fit as a fiddle, hard worker with 2 good feet.

He will contribute more than the other 4 combined.  The frustration aimed at Townsend is that we are spending money on better rated quality.

Gray will be great in fits and spells.  McFadden like consistency.

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30 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He's a better player than most people state - very underrated.  

The point I'm making is that it was very smart business getting him.  Fit as a fiddle, hard worker with 2 good feet.

He will contribute more than the other 4 combined.  The frustration aimed at Townsend is that we are spending money on better rated quality.

Gray will be great in fits and spells.  McFadden like consistency.

My frustration with Townsend is I've always thought he was terrible. We've been linked with him in the past and I've been of the same opinion of him then as well. Even at his best he was average if you were being kind.

It's smart business if you rate him, as you do, but I think it's just more crap business because he's a poor player. Made even worse by him being brought in to be our starting right winger.

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The good thing about him is his work rate. We need someone on that side to help out when needed, and that’s the thing he did well prepared season, worked hard to get back. 
Unlike others though, he actually got back and challenged for the ball, rather than just jog back to make it look like they are.

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7 hours ago, Palfy said:

He has never been a stand out player in any club he’s played for, what makes people believe he will be playing for us?

Don’t think I we need him to be a standout player here though mate. We just need someone who can do a proper job on the wing…. And if he does that, DCL will prosper and team will do better collectively.

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8 hours ago, Palfy said:

He has never been a stand out player in any club he’s played for, what makes people believe he will be playing for us?

Has anyone said he will be a stand out player?

Personally I think he is better than what we had, or would you prefer to see the likes of Gomes, Iwobi, Gylfi and Tom Davies trying to play out wide?

I think he is a steady, honest player who will put a shift up and down the pitch and he can definitely be an asset with his crossing to provide a supply line for DCL

I think someone may have already said it but I see him in the Paul Power category of signing and on a fee transfer and presumably modest wages, whilst he may not be the marque signing we all want, I think it will prove to be a very good bit of business , especially given the (Un)FFP restrictions we are under

 

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41 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Don’t think I we need him to be a standout player here though mate. We just need someone who can do a proper job on the wing…. And if he does that, DCL will prosper and team will do better collectively.

I understand that mate if he can deliver the ball on a regular basis DCL will benefit, today should give us a good indication of whether he can switch that ability on when he needs to, let’s be honest everything is in his favour to have a good game today, first game for the club at home against poor opponents who are very much in transition with better players leaving, his tail must surely be up for this one, I for one will be expecting a good performance. 

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1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Has anyone said he will be a stand out player?

Personally I think he is better than what we had, or would you prefer to see the likes of Gomes, Iwobi, Gylfi and Tom Davies trying to play out wide?

I think he is a steady, honest player who will put a shift up and down the pitch and he can definitely be an asset with his crossing to provide a supply line for DCL

I think someone may have already said it but I see him in the Paul Power category of signing and on a fee transfer and presumably modest wages, whilst he may not be the marque signing we all want, I think it will prove to be a very good bit of business , especially given the (Un)FFP restrictions we are under

 

Time will tell but based on his past he lacks consistency, we don’t want 1-2 really good games then 5-6 poor games we’ve had that from Iwobi, what they cost and what we pay any player is no justification if they don’t perform, If they are not consistently good for the majority of games then any amount of money is a waste of money. I personally don’t think he will give us the consistency we require and that won’t help any striker it will have the reverse effect, a striker works on the knowledge that a player is going to deliver, as soon as he has no confidence in that player delivering he hesitates. 

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10 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Time will tell but based on his past he lacks consistency, we don’t want 1-2 really good games then 5-6 poor games we’ve had that from Iwobi, what they cost and what we pay any player is no justification if they don’t perform, If they are not consistently good for the majority of games then any amount of money is a waste of money. I personally don’t think he will give us the consistency we require and that won’t help any striker it will have the reverse effect, a striker works on the knowledge that a player is going to deliver, as soon as he has no confidence in that player delivering he hesitates. 

That’s my point though, I honestly don’t think he is that type of player. I don’t know any Palace fans but I do know a lot of Geordies and they all loved him and said he was a steady 7 out of 10 every week 

I also think it’s a good thing that so many people are writing him off before a ball is kicked and he knows it because I think he has the type of character to stick two fingers up to them and roll up his sleeves and get stuck in to prove them wrong, at least that’s what I’m hoping anyway

As you say though only time will tell

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9 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

That’s my point though, I honestly don’t think he is that type of player. I don’t know any Palace fans but I do know a lot of Geordies and they all loved him and said he was a steady 7 out of 10 every week 

I also think it’s a good thing that so many people are writing him off before a ball is kicked and he knows it because I think he has the type of character to stick two fingers up to them and roll up his sleeves and get stuck in to prove them wrong, at least that’s what I’m hoping anyway

As you say though only time will tell

Don’t get me wrong I’m not writing him off I would love him to be a success here as I want all players who wear our shirt to be, plus if he can find consistency what a feather for Rafa who is going to be under the microscope like no manager we’ve had in the past at a tough time for the club. 

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2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think if he had been signed as a squad player then I'd feel much better about it, but him being a starter is just putting an even bigger dampener on what has been a shite summer for us.

Without doubt if the window closed now then it will have been a shite summer for us but even then I would say we were stronger coming out of it than we were going in

 

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Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Without doubt if the window closed now then it will have been a shite summer for us but even then I would say we were stronger coming out of it than we were going in

 

I think we're going to be quite busy on deadline day, for a change. But I don't know whether to be excited about that or absolutely terrified :lol:.

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Time will tell but based on his past he lacks consistency, we don’t want 1-2 really good games then 5-6 poor games we’ve had that from Iwobi, what they cost and what we pay any player is no justification if they don’t perform, If they are not consistently good for the majority of games then any amount of money is a waste of money. I personally don’t think he will give us the consistency we require and that won’t help any striker it will have the reverse effect, a striker works on the knowledge that a player is going to deliver, as soon as he has no confidence in that player delivering he hesitates. 

Always said Palfy is full of it….. when did Iwobi ever have 1-2 good games in a row!

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11 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Watched the game.   His crossing is a great asset.  From the right he cuts in on his left and hits lovely deep inswingers to the back post. Being two footed he can swing then in with his right. Nice. 

Seen more proper wing play from our two new lads than we have from the others in a long time. 

Do you know what I find more refreshing? Rafa has see DCLs strengths and is playing to them. I can't remember the last time we actually played to our strikers strengths. It's so refreshing.

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15 minutes ago, Matt said:

Do you know what I find more refreshing? Rafa has see DCLs strengths and is playing to them. I can't remember the last time we actually played to our strikers strengths. It's so refreshing.

I think on MOTD they said we averaged 12 crosses per game under Ancelotti, and yesterday we smashed that with something like 17.

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11 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I think on MOTD they said we averaged 12 crosses per game under Ancelotti, and yesterday we smashed that with something like 17.

Exactly. May not always be as "pretty" as the more popular pass to death football of the last decade or 2, but its more effective. 

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DCL should have done better with Gray's cross in first half.

Thing is.... It's like golf - if you have to wait a long time between shots you lose your rhythm and feel, no good one cross every 20 minutes    If we keep peppering crosses in then I expect DCL to be sharper as the game progresses.

All we are seeing is genuine width and I said this when we signed the 2 lads ..... They are proper wide players. 

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

DCL should have done better with Gray's cross in first half.

Thing is.... It's like golf - if you have to wait a long time between shots you lose your rhythm and feel, no good one cross every 20 minutes    If we keep peppering crosses in then I expect DCL to be sharper as the game progresses.

All we are seeing is genuine width and I said this when we signed the 2 lads ..... They are proper wide players. 

What will happen now is teams will set up to stop our crosses coming in, which will leave them open to attacks down the middle, if we can be as successful down the middle as we look like we are going to be out wide we will be a force to be reckoned with this season. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

DCL should have done better with Gray's cross in first half.

Thing is.... It's like golf - if you have to wait a long time between shots you lose your rhythm and feel, no good one cross every 20 minutes    If we keep peppering crosses in then I expect DCL to be sharper as the game progresses.

All we are seeing is genuine width and I said this when we signed the 2 lads ..... They are proper wide players. 

I agree with this. There were a few times Dom should have been sharper at either sprinting into the box or getting in front of his man. 

I expect he will sharpen up himself because he hasn't had much of a preseason but as the weeks go on he will learn more about Townsend and Gray too.

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