Romey 1878 Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I wish he could cross. Other than that he's growing game by game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I wish he could cross. Other than that he's growing game by game. Me too but I do think he'll be moved centrally in the near future though Definitely another gem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I wish he could cross. Other than that he's growing game by game. I thought some of his crosses were great, especially the one to Lukaku near the end. Some were low, admittedly, but a couple of those worked out well too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 15, 2017 Report Share Posted April 15, 2017 I thought he got caught out a couple of times against Leicester but today he hardly put a foot wrong. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 just realized today i don't think we will get a RB to cover for coleman this summer, Holgate has been excellent there. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 just realized today i don't think we will get a RB to cover for coleman this summer, Holgate has been excellent there. We will need one to cover Holgate tho as Seamus will be out for several months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 just realized today i don't think we will get a RB to cover for coleman this summer, Holgate has been excellent there. Ye now I think of it he must be close to MoM. Excellent today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 22, 2017 Report Share Posted April 22, 2017 We will need one to cover Holgate tho as Seamus will be out for several months. Kenny it will be. Other positions far more important. Or go 3 at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Ye now I think of it he must be close to MoM. Excellent today. Really?? Got a bit of the ball, but was almost always stationary and playing the ball sideways or back. Passes were poor as well, underhit or just off target. Saw a lot of turnovers coming from him. Not writing him off, just wasn't impressed today. Although I can say that about whole team today... Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He's doing ok as a stand in, but surely everyone can see we miss Seamus massively? We need a right back, we have done for years. Mason is a centre half doing his best out of position. In the same way Galloway did ok when Baines was out. They look alright because they are still good footballers, but full backs are a specialist position and we need specialists. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He's doing ok as a stand in, but surely everyone can see we miss Seamus massively? We need a right back, we have done for years. Mason is a centre half doing his best out of position. In the same way Galloway did ok when Baines was out. They look alright because they are still good footballers, but full backs are a specialist position and we need specialists. He's a hindrance to our attacking play because of this. If we're going to play without width in midfield then we need our full-backs to be excellent going forward. Holgate is nowhere near good enough at that aspect - as has been pointed out he'll get the ball and turn backwards or pass back infield. And the few occasions he does try and run forward with the ball he is dispossessed most times. He did put one cracking ball into the box yesterday but I wouldn't even have him as back-up RB, he'd be back-up to the back-up for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Exactly Mark. Can't fault his effort, but it's not his skill set. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He's doing ok as a stand in, but surely everyone can see we miss Seamus massively? We need a right back, we have done for years. Mason is a centre half doing his best out of position. In the same way Galloway did ok when Baines was out. They look alright because they are still good footballers, but full backs are a specialist position and we need specialists. [emoji1303] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He's doing ok as a stand in, but surely everyone can see we miss Seamus massively? We need a right back, we have done for years. Mason is a centre half doing his best out of position. In the same way Galloway did ok when Baines was out. They look alright because they are still good footballers, but full backs are a specialist position and we need specialists. This for me I want to see the lad moved into his natural position, as said he's no RB but he has all the tools to become a very good potentially top center half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I'm hoping we go in for RB cover s Holgate can move across and start getting CB experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He's doing ok as a stand in, but surely everyone can see we miss Seamus massively? We need a right back, we have done for years. Mason is a centre half doing his best out of position. In the same way Galloway did ok when Baines was out. They look alright because they are still good footballers, but full backs are a specialist position and we need specialists. I completely agree but knowing Everton we will say he is fine till Seamus recovers and strengthen elsewhere. Vault me on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Certainly feel that he has looked his best on the right side of a back three. He is energetic. Gets up and back but sadly does not have the same effect as Coleman in the final third. Noticed everyone saying he should be playing CB but in no way does he displace Williams for me. Williams has that right sided CB spot on lock when we are using four at the back. Bet Koeman feels the same way and it's why we see Holgate at RB. I am stoked we have someone so young and versatile in the squad. Getting experience and certainly has room to grow/learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 I think a lot people who said he is a centre half didn't mean he should be taking someone's place. Just that it's his best position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted April 26, 2017 Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) Certainly feel that he has looked his best on the right side of a back three. He is energetic. Gets up and back but sadly does not have the same effect as Coleman in the final third. Noticed everyone saying he should be playing CB but in no way does he displace Williams for me. Williams has that right sided CB spot on lock when we are using four at the back. Bet Koeman feels the same way and it's why we see Holgate at RB. I am stoked we have someone so young and versatile in the squad. Getting experience and certainly has room to grow/learn. It's his natural position it's not to suggest he jumps ahead of anyone but when we are being linked with £20/30m moves for other young CB's when we need cover at RB and possibly LB when we have Holgate who's more than capable imo of filling that void centrally Jags is knocking on and Mori doesn't fill me with confidence to be honest I'm still not sold on him Plus most young defender's are played out wide before then get moved centrally its common practice, he's done well but he's no wingback Edited April 26, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mason-holgate-im-developing-skills-13453719.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Erm, ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I'm glad he's developing his skills in that position, but hopefully center-back is where he sees his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 He's out of the England U21s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Hope he does, he needs game time. I actually feel comfortable when he is on the pitch. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 53 minutes ago, Shukes said: Hope he does, he needs game time. I actually feel comfortable when he is on the pitch. This IF Jags can't manage constant games and Williams keeps his under par performances up I want to see him given a chance to bed himself in at CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 With the performances the defence has put in lately im sure Holgate is wondering how poor he is in Koemans eyes. Matt and pete0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, EFC-Paul said: This IF Jags can't manage constant games and Williams keeps his under par performances up I want to see him given a chance to bed himself in at CB RB is the best you can hope for I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Yeah, wouldn't fancy him at CH, but should be in at RB now, surely Koeman can't play coco the clown again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 19 hours ago, Bill said: Yeah, wouldn't fancy him at CH, but should be in at RB now, surely Koeman can't play coco the clown again. It's his natural position he's a better option than Cuco the clown at RB but the lad isn't a RB and certainly not a RWB I'd much rather have him there than Williams with how poor him and Martina have been I'd rather chuck him centrally and start Kenny at RB let the lads gain experience they can't do much worse than the shower of shit we've witnessed thus far although I know it won't happen like JTStanley1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 I've liked Holgate at CB as well, had a couple rough matches in a row last year and was moved back to RB. Not sure if i'd rather him at RB so Martina doesn't play or CB so williams doesn't play. Between a rock and a hard place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 You wouldn't want Holgate and Kenny starting next to each other. Get Jags in at CB and put Holgate right. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 12, 2017 Report Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bailey said: You wouldn't want Holgate and Kenny starting next to each other. Get Jags in at CB and put Holgate right. Job done. I'd rather have Jags at CB and Kenny at RB myself, but anything is better than Williams and the other wet wipe. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/evertons-gylfi-sigurdsson-cant-stop-13668315 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/11117345/mason-holgate-interview-everton-youngster-determined-to-improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Must have only been koeman who rated him because as shit as our CB have been Unsy refuses to play him and give him a shot. Can’t be worse than keane or Williams at the moment. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Must have only been koeman who rated him because as shit as our CB have been Unsy refuses to play him and give him a shot. Can’t be worse than keane or Williams at the moment. He's injured. He'd be first choice for me. Koeman preferred Keane and Cuco at the start of the season over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 He doesn’t let us down when called upon and should be given more time. Holgate is a player I can see being a regular name on our sheet in the future. Can’t wait for him to be back in the team. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 He makes mistakes, but they all do at the moment. He can give us a bit more energy and speed than the other three. Hopefully he is fit for Weds, because with Carroll about we are going to need a bit more size in the back 4 especially if Kenny needs to go to left back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 i wouldn't throw him in this team. its not that we have shit defenders, its that we are so unorganised we keep getting exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Think he might play all centre's in a back 3, if Holgate is fit he could be played at right wing back, with Kenny on the other side. It's the mids and attackers where we are failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Holgate has trained today apparently markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Finn balor said: Holgate has trained today apparently thank god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: thank god When the return of a player that’s also been dodgy in defence is hailed you know you’re in the shit markjazzbassist and plaidharper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 He's started these past two games a bit dodgy but after the first 20 minutes of each game he's been absolutely superb. He's not the calmest of players, that'll come with age and experience, but we look like we've got a very good CB in him. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 When played in his actual position he’s quite good. I can see why Roberto and koeman liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I thought he was one of the better players yesterday. Solid and no mistakes. Gets better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 I barely noticed him yesterday. But I don't mean that in a negative way at all. He just went about his job in such a no nonsense way. MikeO and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/12/14/new-deals-for-young-everton-trio markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/12/14/new-deals-for-young-everton-trio Great news that! Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 where's that barnsley fan "john stones dad" or whatever saying how holgate was more of a mercenary than stones and he'd leave us for bigger and better. eat crow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 14, 2017 Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: where's that barnsley fan "john stones dad" or whatever saying how holgate was more of a mercenary than stones and he'd leave us for bigger and better. eat crow! Ahhh he's was a right cock end markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 I love crow 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 As an FYI, I believe he's the only one of our main young contributors who will have to be counted against the 25 man squad roster next year due to going over the age limit. DCL, Lookman, Kenny, Davies, Vlasic will all have at least one more year of not being counted against the roster limit. He's done well for me and seems a no brainer to stay with the squad based on performance alone. But I especially expect him to stay since Jags could very well be near retirement, Williams is hardly guaranteed a stay here given his aging, and Funes Mori should look to move on if he doesn't break into the regular back four upon return from his injury. It will be very different the following year though when we have to decide whether DCL, Lookman, Vlasic, Kenny warrant staying with the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/he-called-n-evertons-mason-11809267 As soon as this happened and I saw the replays I feared I knew the outcome. While this article is in no way conclusive, in terms of the FA investigation being done; they really didn't need a lip reading expert to confirm what many could see plainly. The push was immature. Just dumb. The same type of naive move we've been criticizing Mirallas for making during his whole Everton career. I remember seeing someone in the matchday thread say they "liked the push" or the passion it signified. Really? It was way too close to the touchline and it's a miracle he wasn't booked right away, but at the same time, Madley never had that match under control. This is going to look so messy once they finalize this investigation. I honestly don't know the rules here but perhaps since it was initiated by the officials there won't be anything retroactive against Holgate? I can see him getting a lengthy ban for a false accusation if that's even on the table. RF was speaking Portuguese, that'd be the first hurdle in even understanding him and the statement he most likely made wouldn't really sound like what MH is saying he heard. The reason I even bring this up is because 'crying wolf' in this situation helps no one. Justice and retribution in situations like this is already so rare. I bet Holgate realized he shouldn't have pushed Firmino and got caught up in the furor of the moment. At that point perhaps he misheard or embellished. I'm too familiar with this word to not know what it looks like being mouthed by someone. Perhaps MH just didn't want to deal with abuse via twitter and decided to step away, but personally, if I believed in my truth - I wouldn't back down for anything, especially from social media. I think he fucked up pretty bad and he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmegwolf203 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Based on some more recent articles it seem Holgate's been found out for some past homophobic tweets, that's why he deleted his account. The internet knows all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, nutmegwolf203 said: Based on some more recent articles it seem Holgate's been found out for some past homophobic tweets, that's why he deleted his account. The internet knows all. He deleted it due to getting death threats from shite fans apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nutmegwolf203 said: Based on some more recent articles it seem Holgate's been found out for some past homophobic tweets, that's why he deleted his account. The internet knows all. Whats with the anti Holgate posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, nutmegwolf203 said: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/he-called-n-evertons-mason-11809267 As soon as this happened and I saw the replays I feared I knew the outcome. While this article is in no way conclusive, in terms of the FA investigation being done; they really didn't need a lip reading expert to confirm what many could see plainly. The push was immature. Just dumb. The same type of naive move we've been criticizing Mirallas for making during his whole Everton career. I remember seeing someone in the matchday thread say they "liked the push" or the passion it signified. Really? It was way too close to the touchline and it's a miracle he wasn't booked right away, but at the same time, Madley never had that match under control. This is going to look so messy once they finalize this investigation. I honestly don't know the rules here but perhaps since it was initiated by the officials there won't be anything retroactive against Holgate? I can see him getting a lengthy ban for a false accusation if that's even on the table. RF was speaking Portuguese, that'd be the first hurdle in even understanding him and the statement he most likely made wouldn't really sound like what MH is saying he heard. The reason I even bring this up is because 'crying wolf' in this situation helps no one. Justice and retribution in situations like this is already so rare. I bet Holgate realized he shouldn't have pushed Firmino and got caught up in the furor of the moment. At that point perhaps he misheard or embellished. I'm too familiar with this word to not know what it looks like being mouthed by someone. Perhaps MH just didn't want to deal with abuse via twitter and decided to step away, but personally, if I believed in my truth - I wouldn't back down for anything, especially from social media. I think he fucked up pretty bad and he knows it. They can only lip read the footage that was captured. Holgate clearly reacts AFTER what can be lip read, when players are blocking the camera. Also, apparently Holgate was asked to remove his Twitter account by the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 He made twitter posts to his mates referring as faggot and batty boy in 2012 when he was at school.... ffs... I mean yeah if he did it now as an adult the throw the book at him but he was at school! Kids don't understand the depth or importance of such things at 15/16. I'm sure all of us have said many simioar things at that daft age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, hafnia said: He made twitter posts to his mates referring as faggot and batty boy in 2012 when he was at school.... ffs... I mean yeah if he did it now as an adult the throw the book at him but he was at school! Kids don't understand the depth or importance of such things at 15/16. I'm sure all of us have said many simioar things at that daft age. If I got punished now for the things I said at that age I’d be proper screwed 😑 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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