Michael Keane

[Romey 1878 12,469]

3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Funny... When we've had a competent defensive midfielder like Gana and  and now Allan Keane looks fine.  

Someone wrote a piece on it, saying that the high press without Gana left us exposed at the back and Keane does not have the pace to deal with that.

Danny Gabbidon the other day said the introduction of someone like Allan after losing Gueye will improve our centre backs massively.  Against spurs I thought both Keane and Mina looked good. 

Keane likes this

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1829338/keane-on-why-new-everton-teammate-is-defenders-dream

[Palfy 2,810]

15 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Funny... When we've had a competent defensive midfielder like Gana and  and now Allan Keane looks fine.  

Someone wrote a piece on it, saying that the high press without Gana left us exposed at the back and Keane does not have the pace to deal with that.

Danny Gabbidon the other day said the introduction of someone like Allan after losing Gueye will improve our centre backs massively.  Against spurs I thought both Keane and Mina looked good. 

Gana was never a competent midfielder, personally I think to compare him to Allan is an insult to Allan, Allan in his first game did things that Gana never could and never will be able to do. 
1) Gana never held his position or filled the space that players would run into or pick a man up. 
2) Gana never marshalled the players round him or gave any direction or encouragement what so ever. 
3) Gana didn’t have a decent first touch or the ability to regularly deliver a decent pass. 
Allan did all the above in his first game with consummate aplomb, and if you look at his stats he was as good as Gana at the only thing he good do which tackle and intercept. 

[StevO 5,210]

Come on lads, really?

😴

[Zoo 2.0 545]

Absolutely embarrassing the obsession that this place seems to have with Idrissa Gueye. 

[Palfy 2,810]

7 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Absolutely embarrassing the obsession that this place seems to have with Idrissa Gueye. 

Substitute obsession with depression and you will be somewhere nearer how I felt about him.  

[Shukes 4,028]

Feed them and they will keep it alive.

The whole three of them in existence 😉

[Hafnia 6,114]

9 hours ago, Palfy said:

Gana was never a competent midfielder, personally I think to compare him to Allan is an insult to Allan, Allan in his first game did things that Gana never could and never will be able to do. 
1) Gana never held his position or filled the space that players would run into or pick a man up. 
2) Gana never marshalled the players round him or gave any direction or encouragement what so ever. 
3) Gana didn’t have a decent first touch or the ability to regularly deliver a decent pass. 
Allan did all the above in his first game with consummate aplomb, and if you look at his stats he was as good as Gana at the only thing he good do which tackle and intercept. 

Gana won the ball more than any midfielder in the league has .... That demonstrates a high level of competence.  He enabled a high press, he wasn't asked to hold his position, he wasn't expected to be a ball player and he never lost his place cos he couldn't pass like James - he kept it cos he won the ball for the team.

Gana was a ball winning midfielder and that's why PSG came in for him.

Allan is a more rounded player and looks an awesome signing.  But that does not take away the fact that Gana was a highly effective ball winning midfielder who's mobility and tenacity left our midfield with such a void that we looked shocking after he left. 

Gana is probably the biggest miss we've had in our side in terms of non replacement.... Our tackles won, interceptions, goals conceded all got massively damaged when he left 

[SpartyBlue 260]

5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Gana won the ball more than any midfielder in the league has .... That demonstrates a high level of competence.  He enabled a high press, he wasn't asked to hold his position, he wasn't expected to be a ball player and he never lost his place cos he couldn't pass like James - he kept it cos he won the ball for the team.

Gana was a ball winning midfielder and that's why PSG came in for him.

Allan is a more rounded player and looks an awesome signing.  But that does not take away the fact that Gana was a highly effective ball winning midfielder who's mobility and tenacity left our midfield with such a void that we looked shocking after he left. 

Gana is probably the biggest miss we've had in our side in terms of non replacement.... Our tackles won, interceptions, goals conceded all got massively damaged when he left 

In defense of management we did bring in Gbamin and Delph. Not exactly the same types as Gana but their injuries did exaggerate the impact of his absence.

[Palfy 2,810]

5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Gana won the ball more than any midfielder in the league has .... That demonstrates a high level of competence.  He enabled a high press, he wasn't asked to hold his position, he wasn't expected to be a ball player and he never lost his place cos he couldn't pass like James - he kept it cos he won the ball for the team.

Gana was a ball winning midfielder and that's why PSG came in for him.

Allan is a more rounded player and looks an awesome signing.  But that does not take away the fact that Gana was a highly effective ball winning midfielder who's mobility and tenacity left our midfield with such a void that we looked shocking after he left. 

Gana is probably the biggest miss we've had in our side in terms of non replacement.... Our tackles won, interceptions, goals conceded all got massively damaged when he left 

I looked at our goals conceded with him in the team  and they were nothing to right home about, Gana was a ball winning midfielder end of done nothing else to offer, with in less than year PSG their management and their supporters soon realised that that’s why he doesn’t play much and is available for sale. 

[Hafnia 6,114]

1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said:

In defense of management we did bring in Gbamin and Delph. Not exactly the same types as Gana but their injuries did exaggerate the impact of his absence.

Not blaming management. Just highlighting the gap he made which was huge.

 

[Hafnia 6,114]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I looked at our goals conceded with him in the team  and they were nothing to right home about, Gana was a ball winning midfielder end of done nothing else to offer, with in less than year PSG their management and their supporters soon realised that that’s why he doesn’t play much and is available for sale. 

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/feature-idrissa-gueye-an-assessment-of-his-1st-9-months-at-psg/

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/ex-lille-recruiter-vandamme-idrissa-gueye-is-the-indispensable-player-for-psg/

 

He played 33 games Palf, tuchel and Leonardo  love him.  He got groin injuries which made him miss some games.  They need to raise cash but draxler is the saleable asset. 

He's been a success there.... Champions League finalist, League winner. 

 

[pete0 1,716]

7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Gana won the ball more than any midfielder in the league has .... That demonstrates a high level of competence.

Wrecklessly leaving your position is the opposite of demonstrating competence. 

 

@17 seconds he leaves us exposed. Does any one have the stats for how often he done that? As I'd back on him being miles ahead of any player we've had. 

Back on topic what the feck was Michael Keane doing also. 

[StevO 5,210]

7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

He enabled a high press, he wasn't asked to hold his position, he wasn't expected to be a ball player and he never lost his place cos he couldn't pass like James - he kept it cos he won the ball for the team.

This is the bit his fans loved him for, and his detractors just thought he was out of position. He was doing what he was asked to do and do it well. 
 

And I can’t believe I’ve got myself sucked into this. 

[Palfy 2,810]

21 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/feature-idrissa-gueye-an-assessment-of-his-1st-9-months-at-psg/

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/ex-lille-recruiter-vandamme-idrissa-gueye-is-the-indispensable-player-for-psg/

 

He played 33 games Palf, tuchel and Leonardo  love him.  He got groin injuries which made him miss some games.  They need to raise cash but draxler is the saleable asset. 

He's been a success there.... Champions League finalist, League winner. 

 

They win the league every year he didn’t play in the final or semi’s, you’re never convince me he’s good player winning the ball isn’t the be all and end all of a good player, you need far more than that to become a good player, watch Allan and you’re see what we were missing with Gana, he’s now been replaced for quality. 

[Palfy 2,810]

3 minutes ago, StevO said:

This is the bit his fans loved him for, and his detractors just thought he was out of position. He was doing what he was asked to do and do it well. 
 

And I can’t believe I’ve got myself sucked into this. 

Stay out your not welcome 😂

[Shukes 4,028]

3 hours ago, Palfy said:

I looked at our goals conceded with him in the team  and they were nothing to right home about, Gana was a ball winning midfielder end of done nothing else to offer, with in less than year PSG their management and their supporters soon realised that that’s why he doesn’t play much and is available for sale. 

You’ve been saying that for a few months... then I watched the champions league after lockdown... and he was on the pitch?  
They must have realised is less than a year.... but then forgot again during lockdown 😉

Damn it I’m feeding him again!

[Shukes 4,028]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

This is the bit his fans loved him for, and his detractors just thought he was out of position. He was doing what he was asked to do and do it well. 
 

And I can’t believe I’ve got myself sucked into this. 

Haha I did the same mate. Problem is, you can’t discuss with a closed book.

[Shukes 4,028]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Stay out your not welcome 😂

Do me do me!!!!!!

[Palfy 2,810]

44 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Do me do me!!!!!!

You’re trouble always have been 😂

anyone can join the debate I just ask one simple request you must agree with me, not to hard is it. 

[Sibdane 2,125]

2 hours ago, Palfy said:

They win the league every year he didn’t play in the final or semi’s, you’re never convince me he’s good player winning the ball isn’t the be all and end all of a good player, you need far more than that to become a good player, watch Allan and you’re see what we were missing with Gana, he’s now been replaced for quality. 

You son of a bitch. 

[Matt 7,423]

For the love of all that is holy, evil, anything. Move the fuck on 

[Palfy 2,810]

6 minutes ago, Matt said:

For the love of all that is holy, evil, anything. Move the fuck on 

Haf’s fault this time boss😉

[Shukes 4,028]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

You’re trouble always have been 😂

anyone can join the debate I just ask one simple request you must agree with me, not to hard is it. 

I bow to lord Palfy 🙏🙏

Gana is bad Gana is bad!

[Bailey 4,399]

2 hours ago, Shukes said:

You’ve been saying that for a few months... then I watched the champions league after lockdown... and he was on the pitch?  
They must have realised is less than a year.... but then forgot again during lockdown 😉

Damn it I’m feeding him again!

I'm not sure he started the semi or the final. Must have played the game you saw then realised they couldn't afford to do it again!

[Palfy 2,810]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I'm not sure he started the semi or the final. Must have played the game you saw then realised they couldn't afford to do it again!

He never didn’t even get on the pitch after the warmup, Shukester was down the pub again lucky bastard😉

[markjazzbassist 2,872]

showing his qualities again today.  good leadership and composure and a solid header for a goal.  helped digne out as well.

[StevO 5,210]

I know it’s only Salford today, but even Spurs and the end of last season, he looks to have really stepped up a level. 
He made comments about getting an old coach he had at United to help him work on his game. Maybe that made a big difference. Whatever it is, he’s looking good and hopefully it continues. 

[markjazzbassist 2,872]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

I know it’s only Salford today, but even Spurs and the end of last season, he looks to have really stepped up a level. 
He made comments about getting an old coach he had at United to help him work on his game. Maybe that made a big difference. Whatever it is, he’s looking good and hopefully it continues. 

could be that, could also be a manager who has backed him and a DOF who gave him a new contract.  i would think both of those would be bigtime confidence boosters knowing you are wanted and appreciated.  i hadn't heard about the old coach, but that sounds plausible as well.

[Shukes 4,028]

10 hours ago, Bailey said:

I'm not sure he started the semi or the final. Must have played the game you saw then realised they couldn't afford to do it again!

Obviously he was being rested for more important matches, after putting so much effort into the quarter.

[Romey 1878 12,469]

I'm really pleased for him after finding his form. Not because I've always rated him (it's no secret I have) but because he seems like a really humble lad and someone who just wants to be the best he can be, and has the work ethic to put that into practice.

It shows his character that he's managed to come back from what was horrendous form at the start of his Everton career. Form that was, at least in part, down to him just wanting to help his new team out. 

He has his limitations, we all know that (so does he), and we'll have to get better than him in the next 2/3 years to push us on, but he's a very good defender for us and in my opinion he's the first CB on the teamsheet.

[Bailey 4,399]

14 hours ago, StevO said:

I know it’s only Salford today, but even Spurs and the end of last season, he looks to have really stepped up a level. 
He made comments about getting an old coach he had at United to help him work on his game. Maybe that made a big difference. Whatever it is, he’s looking good and hopefully it continues. 

I read somewhere that his top speed improved after lockdown due to the different training he was doing. I cannot find it now as it was on Twitter but he improved his recorded speed by a few kmph which isn't too shabby.

He has certainly improved his consistency over that period and as Romey says he is definitely the first CB on the team sheet. I will still remain cautious as to how he continues over the season as he has yet to be consistent in an Everton shirt but he looks like he belongs here now.

[Wiggytop 520]

He’s been very solid so far, we’ve got to be happy with that, and also with any player who improves regardless of the starting point, too many seem to have gone backwards or failed to live up to expectations.