Matt Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Palfy said: I think so at least a written disagreement can be seen and agreed with, countered or ignored, what people say in posts about me give me the opportunity to respond I personally like that, debating is surly the whole purpose of site I would have more respect for someone who red dotted with an explanation, but hey that’s just my opinion, and if I was to look back I would have definitely let myself down by not following my own advice, so I would say to myself don’t be an arsehole dislike but say why, then maybe others may not see it as a personal dislike, or easier still just get rid of it. I use the up and down voting to agree or disagree with what's in the post if I've only got time to read and not respond to it (or someone else has already made the point, in which case they'd get a green). Simple as that for me. As for the written disagreement, I agree in principle but there are certain posters and topics where a written response would be utterly fruitless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Matt said: I use the up and down voting to agree or disagree with what's in the post if I've only got time to read and not respond to it (or someone else has already made the point, in which case they'd get a green). Simple as that for me. As for the written disagreement, I agree in principle but there are certain posters and topics where a written response would be utterly fruitless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 Possibly there would be times when a written response after a bout of toing and throwing would be fruitless, but to counter that if Rom had written a response to my post I would have known he had changed his opinion rather than think he was being a hypocrite, which I now know isn’t the case because of discussion. I still think it’s a senseless thing to have if you haven’t got time to post a reason why you dislike something is it truly necessary to let people know you don’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Palfy said: Possibly there would be times when a written response after a bout of toing and throwing would be fruitless, but to counter that if Rom had written a response to my post I would have known he had changed his opinion rather than think he was being a hypocrite, which I now know isn’t the case because of discussion. I still think it’s a senseless thing to have if you haven’t got time to post a reason why you dislike something is it truly necessary to let people know you don’t like it. No problem with you thinking its senseless, but others don't. I only really do it when I think someone has crossed a line and doesn't deserve an answer, or someone has posted some complete nonsense that I don't know how to respond to. 99% of the time I will reply, but there are also times when I don't feel I want to etc because of the reasons stated. On the flip side, do you think people should always reply after they green a post? Also, that Michael Keane eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Matt said: No problem with you thinking its senseless, but others don't. I only really do it when I think someone has crossed a line and doesn't deserve an answer, or someone has posted some complete nonsense that I don't know how to respond to. 99% of the time I will reply, but there are also times when I don't feel I want to etc because of the reasons stated. On the flip side, do you think people should always reply after they green a post? Also, that Michael Keane eh? Sometimes I do if it’s an argument that’s on going more to say why I have taken the side of one and not the other, if someone post something and it’s a stand alone comment I will give a like and occasionally a comment. I also think a like can mostly be a good and positive thing, were as a dislike can be a negative and destructive thing, maybe that’s why we don’t see the dislike on very many sites just the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Palfy said: Sometimes I do if it’s an argument that’s on going more to say why I have taken the side of one and not the other, if someone post something and it’s a stand alone comment I will give a like and occasionally a comment. I also think a like can mostly be a good and positive thing, were as a dislike can be a negative and destructive thing, maybe that’s why we don’t see the dislike on very many sites just the like. well of course a neg is a negative thing! If you only want to see green and no red, then the internet isn'tt for you. You need both to bring balance, otherwise it's just false. Aidan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted March 31, 2019 Report Share Posted March 31, 2019 The up and down vote thing won’t be going anywhere any time soon, I’m pretty sure of that. Maybe if that conversation needs to continue it should be in its own thread in the suggestions section and this thread can be about Keane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Being linked to spurs and arsenal, asking price 50m. I’d like him to stay he has been excellent for us this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: Being linked to spurs and arsenal, asking price 50m. I’d like him to stay he has been excellent for us this year. Seen that. Madness if someone was to pay 50m for him. He’s been okay this year, spoken a lot about how he’s performed but I think he’s still playing within himself and can definitely reach another few levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Being linked to spurs and arsenal, asking price 50m. I’d like him to stay he has been excellent for us this year. £50m??? I'm currently content in the knowledge that he's probably worth somewhere in the region of what we paid for him. £50m should surely be enough to buy a player of better quality than him. He has improved but he is a ball watcher. Great at times but too many lapses and slow to be worth that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 I wouldn’t sell him, we don’t need the money and he is growing as a player. I want to see what’s still to come from him, I’d rather we secure a partner next to him and get stable. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 £50m?! He's had one great game against Brighton but other than that he's more often second best to Zouma. I'd sell him in a heart beat for half that just to recoup what we paid. He was a needless signing and very much a Walsh player, height aside I don't see anything in his game better than Holgate's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, pete0 said: £50m?! He's had one great game against Brighton but other than that he's more often second best to Zouma. I'd sell him in a heart beat for half that just to recoup what we paid. He was a needless signing and very much a Walsh player, height aside I don't see anything in his game better than Holgate's. For £50m I'd sell, we could get a much better upgrade, with pace and better reading of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 When I watch VVD play for the red shite it puts things into perspective as to what I want from a centre half. Why the fuck didn't we get him when selling John Stones.... we were sniffing around him when he was at Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 VVD I remember we linked with him when he was in Holland and it was us and Brighton in for him under moyes. He went to Celtic. Then we bought funes mori instead . Prices are stupid these days as we all know. Keane is improving but if that’s true which I doubt it is but I’m sure marcel will have much cheaper and younger players under scrutiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 hours ago, hafnia said: When I watch VVD play for the red shite it puts things into perspective as to what I want from a centre half. Why the fuck didn't we get him when selling John Stones.... we were sniffing around him when he was at Celtic. When I watch Messi it puts things into perspective as to what I want from an attacking mid. But then i remember where we are. I agree with the ideology but we’re just not in the position to do anything about it... ... yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 30 minutes ago, Matt said: When I watch Messi it puts things into perspective as to what I want from an attacking mid. But then i remember where we are. I agree with the ideology but we’re just not in the position to do anything about it... ... yet... Messi was never within our grasp - VVD was and available for £10m. A steal.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Can I ask, if we sold him and got £50m, which defender worth £50m would be interested in coming to Everton? Genuine question because I don’t think there are many who are better than him who would be tempted by Everton. markjazzbassist, Matt and MikeO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, StevO said: Can I ask, if we sold him and got £50m, which defender worth £50m would be interested in coming to Everton? Genuine question because I don’t think there are many who are better than him who would be tempted by Everton. agreed, we spent 30m on Mina and people are already saying he's not good enough (not my opinion i think he will be solid) and he's a barca product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, StevO said: Can I ask, if we sold him and got £50m, which defender worth £50m would be interested in coming to Everton? Genuine question because I don’t think there are many who are better than him who would be tempted by Everton. Holgate, don't know if he's worth £50m but he's shown more in a blue shirt than Keane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, pete0 said: Holgate, don't know if he's worth £50m but he's shown more in a blue shirt than Keane. Holgate can't even make it as a centre half in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, pete0 said: Holgate, don't know if he's worth £50m but he's shown more in a blue shirt than Keane. Pete, come on. You can’t be serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Aidan said: Holgate can't even make it as a centre half in the championship From what I've seen of him in blue he was a better defensively than Stones, and Keane has been a step backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, pete0 said: From what I've seen of him in blue he was a better defensively than Stones, and Keane has been a step backwards. I’m starting to think you’ve not got a clue, or you just have a bunch of players you hate so much you can’t aknowledge what they do. It’s got to be one or the other, it’s the only possibility! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, StevO said: Pete, come on. You can’t be serious? Bar height I don't see what Keane offers over Holgate, but even then he's got no jump or strength so I'd still pick Holgate to win a header. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, pete0 said: Bar height I don't see what Keane offers over Holgate, but even then he's got no jump or strength so I'd still pick Holgate to win a header. Wow! I’m out. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 hours ago, StevO said: Can I ask, if we sold him and got £50m, which defender worth £50m would be interested in coming to Everton? Genuine question because I don’t think there are many who are better than him who would be tempted by Everton. I think the whole point is that he's probably not worth £50m. I'd be surprised if better centre halves arent available for less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 That’s why I’m asking who? we don’t need the money, why sell him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, StevO said: That’s why I’m asking who? we don’t need the money, why sell him? I don't get the "don't need the money" bit..... we need to operate within financial fair play it doesn't matter how much money moshiri has. The club still needs to operate in a sell high and but low model to a degree untill we are able to legitimately bring income up to the man United and arsenal levels. It's as simple as this for me:- "is he a top 6 level centre half"..... for me the answer is no. Possibly he may get better but £50m in the European market or foreign market I guess could buy a better player. Who??? It's more a case of trusting our DOF, I'm sure He has a huge list of potential buys.... I could start listing names etc but what it comes down to is this.... Is Keane worth £50m? For me no. And if brands and co believe they could replace him for cheaper then sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 3, 2019 Report Share Posted April 3, 2019 16 hours ago, pete0 said: Holgate, don't know if he's worth £50m but he's shown more in a blue shirt than Keane. Not going to say yes better, but he isn’t that far off. And he is young and improving. Dont think this comment is as daft as many are making out. Holgate has a lot of potential and given a good run could save us a lot of DCL... I mean money. pete0 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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