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This lad is starting to get right on my tits.

Every time he has a 7/10 game he comes out with some shite.  His latest update is that he's been more settled and knows his job since the new manager has come in....

FUCK OFF!!! 1 HALF ACCEPTABLE GAME EVERY 5 DOESNT MAKE YOU SPOKESMAN FOR THE TEAM.

 

 

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GIven his performances since arriving at Everton, how can they tell? (i hope he's okay)

Just here to acknowledge the pass he made to dom for the opening goal. Class! 

Things are making much more sense now  

It helps him that Jags has largely been covering his arse. I thought he was crap on Monday, should have been sent off and gave away 2 needless free kicks in good areas. Plus he was responsible for ot trackibg Lascelles when Gayle nearly scored from the corner. If that' him settled then we are in trouble.

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35 minutes ago, Bailey said:

It helps him that Jags has largely been covering his arse. I thought he was crap on Monday, should have been sent off and gave away 2 needless free kicks in good areas. Plus he was responsible for ot trackibg Lascelles when Gayle nearly scored from the corner. If that' him settled then we are in trouble.

Exactly.... he's full of shit. 

Reminds me of Joseph Yobo without any pace.  Does some very strange things when he's not under pressure.

I would take half the money we paid for him.  All these interviews and his turquoise boots.....  learn to defend first Ray Quinn.

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50 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

sam's style suits him more as dyche is also a parked bus and counter type guy.  no surprise here.  let's hope we can recoup the cost this summer if we decided to offload him.

No way we'll get 24m.

Amazing as it seems we could've bought Ben Mee or Tarkowski off Burnley and have been far better off. Particularly Tarkowski...

Keane hasn't done because he's not played in an in form team nor had a consistent partner at centerback, but dear God I don't see how much better it gets given how limited his mobility is. Whoever is paired next to him will always have to do his job and cover Keane's arse for when he gets beat.

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Mason holgate is better than Keane.... Galloway showed more ability before his loan out....

Complete waste of money. But why is he getting interviewed all the time?  It's annoying.  He is shit. Always looks off balance, turns like the arc royal..... we need £75m spending on the defence alone. 

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1 hour ago, tonkaroost said:

I'm not necessarily defending Keane, but he's young for a starting CB, and most CBs hit their prime at a later age. Experience is key in his position.

That said, I hate that he defends Sam.   

Keane is grateful as Allardyce has put him in the side and stuck with him.

He feels he owes him for that. I wont hold loyalty against him. I think he will be a good player for us, as others have said just needs time.

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2 hours ago, Quinn31 said:

No way we'll get 24m.

Amazing as it seems we could've bought Ben Mee or Tarkowski off Burnley and have been far better off. Particularly Tarkowski...

Keane hasn't done because he's not played in an in form team nor had a consistent partner at centerback, but dear God I don't see how much better it gets given how limited his mobility is. Whoever is paired next to him will always have to do his job and cover Keane's arse for when he gets beat.

I don' think those two defenders are any better. I watched Tarkowski all over the place at the weekend, and it' the same issue as Keane. If he isn't in the system Dyche builds and they get exposed they look like the average defenders they are. Never buy a CB from a defensive team unless I suppose you are a similarly defensive team. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I don' think those two defenders are any better. I watched Tarkowski all over the place at the weekend, and it' the same issue as Keane. If he isn'tt in the system Dyche builds and they get exposed they look like the average defenders they are. Never buy a CB from a defensive team unless I suppose you are a similarly defensive team. 

beat me to it bailey i was gonna say i think its more dyche system than the players in it.  mee tarkowski are just keane mk ii.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I don' think those two defenders are any better. I watched Tarkowski all over the place at the weekend, and it' the same issue as Keane. If he isn'tt in the system Dyche builds and they get exposed they look like the average defenders they are. Never buy a CB from a defensive team unless I suppose you are a similarly defensive team. 

Tarkowski has done well enough all season to get a call up from Gareth Southgate. Completely different defender to Keane, who is much bigger and less mobile.

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5 hours ago, Bailey said:

I don' think those two defenders are any better. I watched Tarkowski all over the place at the weekend, and it' the same issue as Keane. If he isn'tt in the system Dyche builds and they get exposed they look like the average defenders they are. Never buy a CB from a defensive team unless I suppose you are a similarly defensive team

But I thought Koeman and Allardyce were known for their focus on defence? You're right, though, and rather damning of these two managers.

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13 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

But I thought Koeman and Allardyce were known for their focus on defence? You're right, though, and rather damning of these two managers.

I wouldnt say Koeman was. He allegedly wants players to play total football and be comfortable taking risks out from the back. He probably lies somewhere in the middle of the Martinez to Dyche scale. Allardyce does and that is why Keane has improved in recent weeks but the team just arent anywhere near as drilled as Burnley were /are.

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5 hours ago, StevO said:

No one think his improvement in recent weeks is from just being paired with better players? I’d rather be in a defence with Coleman, Jags and Baines than with Kenny, Williams and Martina. 

Better players make better players. 

Yep I would agree that is a factor in it. A much more settled team too with a settled tactic.

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It's so difficult to come into such a disjointed team, unsure of who is first on that team sheet at CB and partnering with different players consistently. 

I hope he proves himself next season but also something to bare in mind is Burnleys defensive tactics. There is a reason they're so hard to score against, and it's not individual quality. Sometimes players look amazing under certain tactics, and their true colours shine through when they get their move.

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6 hours ago, badaids said:

He has looked better in a more settled, first selection defence, but then who wouldn't?

Remember how shit Jags was when he first arrived? First couple of seasons he was very shonky. I'm hoping that Keane will follow a simar path as he matures and develops more. He has been terrible this season though; staggeringly shit.

I don't remember Jags being that bad and certainly not for that long. I think that he was a bit like Baines in that took him a while to be number 1 but I wouldn't have said he was shit? It was a while ago though!

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9 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I don't remember Jags being that bad and certainly not for that long. I think that he was a bit like Baines in that took him a while to be number 1 but I wouldn't have said he was shit? It was a while ago though!

IIRC we tried to play him in midfield a lot of the time where he was, indeed, shit. Moyes thought he'd bought a utility player (inc sub 'keeper) but when he was put at CB regularly he was fine.

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

IIRC we tried to play him in midfield a lot of the time where he was, indeed, shit. Moyes thought he'd bought a utility player (inc sub 'keeper) but when he was put at CB regularly he was fine.

Moyes did play him everywhere before he settled at centre back and Jags looked a disaster until then - as bad as Keane at least.  Remember Jags playing against Villareal - in midfield I think?  It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from an Everton player.

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8 minutes ago, hafnia said:

Can't help but think that moyes should have played rodwell at centre half too....

Look at the centre halves we had under moyes. Mustafi, Duffy, i think dier was a kid but certainly old enough to get a chance.  He played hibbert at centre half before a young prospect. 

I remember when he played Rodwell at CB against Coventry in a pre-season friendly... he looked like he’d never played CB in his life and should never play there again :lol: 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

IIRC we tried to play him in midfield a lot of the time where he was, indeed, shit. Moyes thought he'd bought a utility player (inc sub 'keeper) but when he was put at CB regularly he was fine.

 

2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I thought jags was useless at the start, Moyes played him in midfield and right back and he struggled badly. Found his feet sat centre back quickly though. Keane is a bit meh for me. I’m sure there is better foreign players for the money 

 

27 minutes ago, badaids said:

Moyes did play him everywhere before he settled at centre back and Jags looked a disaster until then - as bad as Keane at least.  Remember Jags playing against Villareal - in midfield I think?  It was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from an Everton player.

Ah yes I remember now. I had forgotten he had been played almost everywhere bar CB but I was sure he was never a poor CB. Good memory chaps!

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Think I read something that until this period ( coleman jags Keane Baines ) we had played the same back 4 for 5 games.... insane that, not making excuses for Keane but he did actually start well here, then had a dip and maybe the price tag got to him a bit and lack of consistency around him definitely wouldn’t have helped. I’m still hoping for him.

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I remember him as a promising defender while he was playing for Manu, u18 level. Sad to see he evolved to this... He is not that bad but I was expecting more to be honest.

If I were Everton's manager, he would be the first player that I would love to replace with a better player as soon as sort left wing and central midfield.

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7 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I think he is average. McGuire was the one we should have got. Now people are talking about mawson, he is average aswell. Let’s go abroad and find someone like yobo who was amazing when he come on the scene. I’ve never seen a more athletic, class footballer at the back 

Yobo? He fell asleep most matches. Worst concentration I've seen. Awful decision maker. 

He was a great athlete but as a centre half he made ridiculous mistakes. 

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13 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I think he is average. McGuire was the one we should have got. Now people are talking about mawson, he is average aswell. Let’s go abroad and find someone like yobo who was amazing when he come on the scene. I’ve never seen a more athletic, class footballer at the back 

They are all bang average IMO!

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I think the criticism is a little over the top on him sometimes. 

Take last week. He was having a solid game until a sub came on, he then made a couple of reckless tackles. Unnecessary yes, but far out enough. 

People spoke about him like he was not fit to grace the shirt. 

Evertonians reputations are nothing if not over the top.

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I just think he is very easily exposed. For a big lad, he isn't very strong, 1 v 1 is a big concern for him to. 

If you played him in a side that intentionally left themselves exposed  (like we did with Martinez) he would be completely fucked.

He hasn't got anywhere near the same skill level as Jags.

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47 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Other than being tall he's not better than Holgate at anything, and being tall is hardly a skill. 

I wouldn't disagree with that but then again I rate Holgate highly, he needs a solid run of games in a steady unchanged back four as does Keane 

Both lads have all the ability they need and both are young and have small elements to their game letting them down slightly but it's nothing a good manager and set up won't sort imo 

I'd like to see them both used together and form a young solid partnership

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1 hour ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Jonny Evans is coming to the end of his career. He would offer very little compared to what we already have at the club.

We need more athletic defenders. We are hamstrung by the lack of pace there.

Distin and Jags' combined pace saved our asses so many time in that partnership. 

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Evans is only 30 - he has at least 4 more seasons at this level. I’d see it as good business, especially if Williams goes and with Jags not getting any younger. I’d want another centre back in addition to Evans - a natural left footed athlete - I really like the look of Boly, who Wolves have had this season, but not sure if it’s been the level he’s playing at which has made him look so good as previously he hadn’t done a lot.

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Just think what this season would have been like if we hadn't bought Keane? Used that money on someone else?  Just look how Maguire has gotten on after leaving Hull for Leicester. Keane's transfer fee was double Maguire's.

Heck the team that Keane left finished above us. Burnley bought him for 2.5 mil.  

Hoping summer washes away my pain.

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2 hours ago, plaidharper said:

Just think what this season would have been like if we hadn't bought Keane? Used that money on someone else?  Just look how Maguire has gotten on after leaving Hull for Leicester. Keane's transfer fee was double Maguire's.

Heck the team that Keane left finished above us. Burnley bought him for 2.5 mil.  

Hoping summer washes away my pain.

I think Maguire has been almost as bad tbh with the only difference being that you probably see Keane more? 

Neither player is good enough.

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I think Maguire has been almost as bad tbh with the only difference being that you probably see Keane more? 

Neither player is good enough.

Maguire has been head and shoulders above Keane in a so so team. Keane is a poor centre half. He gets bullied, his positional sense is poor and is average at best in the air. We need to cut our losses now and blame it on the whole team rather than him getting further exposed next season. Get rid of him, Williams and Mori. Get lascelles and Evans and promote Gibson from the 21s 

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2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Maguire has been head and shoulders above Keane in a so so team. Keane is a poor centre half. He gets bullied, his positional sense is poor and is average at best in the air. We need to cut our losses now and blame it on the whole team rather than him getting further exposed next season. Get rid of him, Williams and Mori. Get lascelles and Evans and promote Gibson from the 21s 

We are also a so so team. Maguire has been marginally better defensively, though his 4 goals would have been a boon.

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I agree we are a so so team but McGuire is an established international and revered by other clubs 

Maguire and Keane have the same amount of England appearances. That would be 4 and doesn’t make anyone an established international.

I’ve been very disappointed with Keane, he hasn’t been nearly good enough apart a handful (at best) of decent performances, which isn’t acceptable, but Harry Maguire isn’t good. He gets talked up because he’s a fat lad that goes running forward with the ball. If you want to replace a player at least make it so that you improve. I’d rather all of our current CB’s before Maguire, and I’d include Feeney in that  

 

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I agree we are a so so team but McGuire is an established international and revered by other clubs 

See below:

16 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Maguire and Keane have the same amount of England appearances. That would be 4 and doesn’t make anyone an established international.

I’ve been very disappointed with Keane, he hasn’t been nearly good enough apart a handful (at best) of decent performances, which isn’t acceptable, but Harry Maguire isn’t good. He gets talked up because he’s a fat lad that goes running forward with the ball. If you want to replace a player at least make it so that you improve. I’d rather all of our current CB’s before Maguire, and I’d include Feeney in that  

 

Thank you for saving me time!

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Keane interview in the Echo today. An interesting comment is this:

“We've worked really hard which helps lay the foundations for the season and there were probably stages of last season as a team where we weren't fit enough and the manager and his staff are making sure we definitely are this season.”

I have mentioned before in a different thread that players always like to blame managers for fitness but its all BS. If a player isnt fit that is their own problem as they are professional footballers and adults. Pre-season is more in the managers control but once the season starts the player will have all of the information the player needs to do his job and get and stay fit.

"The wound would re-open and eventually an infection would force him into hospital and then require him to play with painkilling injections. A strong, and injury free, end to the season offered Keane encouragement for the new term but it wasn't enough for him to book a seat on the plane to Russia."

Unfortunately he had recovered at the end of the season when he was still making big errors.

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/michael-keane-praises-marco-silvas-14907565

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Your right to an extent.

there is a huge difference between being a fit professional footballer, and being at the top level in the premiership.

These footballers have a training team for a reason, because it isn’t easy to get yourself to that level without a p organ and guidance. If that program isn’t the right program, then you lose 1% fitness..... which is the difference between winning and losing at the top level.

This is why the coaches and experts get paid such an exuberant amount of cash. 

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