Newty82 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 This can be the only explanation. I would understand it more if he was played as a wing back when we play with 5 at the back but its more of a surprise in a 4 where defending is required. It also confuses me even more when DCL was picked at RWB and Davies ahead of Martina. None of it makes sense. Yeah I know. But teams do play 4 at the back most of the time with the full backs utilised as attacking players and a DCM dropping in. Morgan tends to be our man for that. Koeman does like to play with things a bit too much for my liking. He did admit that the DCL thing was because he thought he'd get more space down that side, but it was a wrong decision. I'd say that the Davies thing was just another experiment. Like I said, personally I'm not overly keen on these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yeah I know. But teams do play 4 at the back most of the time with the full backs utilised as attacking players and a DCM dropping in. Morgan tends to be our man for that. Koeman does like to play with things a bit too much for my liking. He did admit that the DCL thing was because he thought he'd get more space down that side, but it was a wrong decision. I'd say that the Davies thing was just another experiment. Like I said, personally I'm not overly keen on these things. Yeh I get that its all an experiment but if Koeman brought him in for his attacking qualities then you would expect him to play in the games where the team is set up to maximise that attacking threat. The fact that he has brought Martina in and played him in the games he has suggests to me that he has brought him in for defensive reasons as well as attacking. He must just prefer him as a RB over Holgate / Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 He gets the chance to prove himself everyday in training. If on the training pitch Holgate and Martina look better than him he shouldn't be starting ahead of them. If he can show Koeman in training he is better I'm sure he would be starting. Then we must send him on loan, he is only 20 and needs to be playing competitive matches to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 He may well go on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 i was very critical in preseason but today he did really well. good defending and great crossing/attacking play. i'd like to see more of him at RB. Matt and nyblue23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: i was very critical in preseason but today he did really well. good defending and great crossing/attacking play. i'd like to see more of him at RB. It was a weird sub to bring him on though. Was Martina injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: It was a weird sub to bring him on though. Was Martina injured? the whole first half it seemed the strategy was to attack that right flank with martina throwing crosses in. It was effective even though we didn't score. We stopped in the second half and maybe he knew that was the weakness to exploit so he threw kenny on to get it going again? that's all i got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: It was a weird sub to bring him on though. Was Martina injured? Let's hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 He didn't half put in a beautiful cross near the end that DCL should've scored from. I do hope he gets more time for us because as far as I'm concerned he's Coleman's natural successor. Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted September 23, 2017 Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 How Martina starts over him is fucking baffling- we were so much sharper and dangerous with him running down the wing. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarzy Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 'WATCH: Kenny's calamitous 'own goal'' http://www.skysports.com/share/11105104 Shower of bastards at Sky Sports. Love kicking us while we're down. Young English player makes a mistake and they're all over it trying to embarrass the lad. No need for this 'story' at all. Things like this could seriously damage his confidence. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I have missed the past 4-5 matches, is this guy really all that he’s supposed to be? Is he better than Martina? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarzy Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said: I have missed the past 4-5 matches, is this guy really all that he’s supposed to be? Is he better than Martina? He's very raw and inexperienced at this level. He could do with a run of games to build his confidence and gel more with the team. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 This lad is clearly not ready to start regularly for a top flight team. It's really not his fault. He could have a decent future in front of him but he's now playing in a pressure filled environment and he shouldn't be. We should have bought a good right back in the summer and Kenny should be out on loan. It's just another example of our dreadful recruitment this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romey 1878 Posted October 30, 2017 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 What should have happened in the summer is we brought in someone more capable than Martina, and Kenny went out on loan to a Championship club. Same should have gone for Lookman and DCL, but ineptitude off the pitch means we're having to lean on them far more than they can handle. Bailey, MikeO, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jonjoe-kenny-evertons-unsung-hero-13866443 Cornish Steve and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I have missed the past 4-5 matches, is this guy really all that he’s supposed to be? Is he better than Martina?Yes and fuck yes He is a young kid finding his feet , give him time. He was superb against Watford Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Yes and fuck yes He is a young kid finding his feet , give him time. He was superb against Watford He had a rough couple matches to start but it sounds like it grows with each match. Glad to hear we might actually have RB cover finally when Coleman is back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Newty82 Posted November 7, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 But notice he's had a run of games to find his feet? In his own position, and he's got better with playing each game? It's what our new players need. Romey 1878, Bailey, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Newty82 said: But notice he's had a run of games to find his feet? In his own position, and he's got better with playing each game? It's what our new players need. agreed and i'll be the first to admit i had kenny wrong. glad he proved me wrong. i hope he continues to do well as seamus recovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Find him a consistent partner to his left, make sure the midfielders and wingers provide him assistance defending, and he will continue to improve. Very impressed with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Thought he was excellent on Sunday, put some good hard tackles in at the start of the game on Richarlison, who was Watfords danger man, and a few decent crosses, really pleased for him after the swinging foot last weekend that went in for Leicester, he could have let his head drop but clearly hasn't. Probably the MOM in the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 But notice he's had a run of games to find his feet? In his own position, and he's got better with playing each game? It's what our new players need.Apart from Sandro and maybe Vlasic they’ve all had a run of games and still don’t seem to be improving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 31 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Apart from Sandro and maybe Vlasic they’ve all had a run of games and still don’t seem to be improving Holgate comes to mind. He’s been moved from pillar to post. We was excellent early on but hasn’t appeared recently. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Apart from Sandro and maybe Vlasic they’ve all had a run of games and still don’t seem to be improving But not all in the right positions. I might be wrong but, from what I remember, the team kept chopping and changing. If not the players, then the positions. My point is that you can only really give a player a fair judgement once he has played in his rightful position for several consecutive games. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/11/07/joe-royle-jonjoe-kenny-refused-to-leave-everton-on-loan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Fair play to the lad, he probably watched Cuco and thought that he should be the one on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 39 minutes ago, Bailey said: Fair play to the lad, he probably watched Cuco and thought that he should be the one on loan. To a football museum as an example of how not to be a right back. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Bet a couple of others, Dowell and Williams especially, are wondering if they should have taken loan moves now. We could have done with the six goals Dowell has scored for Forest for definite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, nogs said: Bet a couple of others, Dowell and Williams especially, are wondering if they should have taken loan moves now. We could have done with the six goals Dowell has scored for Forest for definite. sadly he's another at the logjam that is creative attacking midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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