London Blue Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 19 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Apart from Sandro and maybe Vlasic they’ve all had a run of games and still don’t seem to be improving Says you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, nogs said: Bet a couple of others, Dowell and Williams especially, are wondering if they should have taken loan moves now. We could have done with the six goals Dowell has scored for Forest for definite. Forest are not City, Chelsea, United, Lyon, Atlanta, Spurs, Arsenal et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt said: Forest are not City, Chelsea, United, Lyon, Atlanta, Spurs, Arsenal et al. Exactly, Dowell has to learn his trade and develop his skills, best place to do that is at a good club like Forrest. Vranny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Massive, massive fan of this lad. He improves with every single game he plays. I know he's made a few errors defensively but his defending is tremendous most of the time. Not the quickest but he's good at recovering to make a tackle. It's also been noticeable to me in the past two games when we've had a lead that he's been willing to attack more, and he's looked very handy in that respect too. I wish Koeman had started the season with him so he'd be even further along at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Has looked great the last 2 matches - I did worry previously. I love his passion. It’ll be great to have the headache of Kenny and a returning Coleman in a few weeks. EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 He has looked great and I am encouraged that Sam has payed tribute to our youngsters. Players like Kenny, Holgate, Davies, and DCL have played a major role in our last 2 wins and NEED to be playing football to keep their development going . With Lookman and Vlasic in the matchday squads we have a great core of very talented young players that we must develop properly. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, London Blue said: He has looked great and I am encouraged that Sam has payed tribute to our youngsters. Players like Kenny, Holgate, Davies, and DCL have played a major role in our last 2 wins and NEED to be playing football to keep their development going . With Lookman and Vlasic in the matchday squads we have a great core of very talented young players that we must develop properly. Find it odd that you say 'we must develop these players properly' yet a few posts earlier implied Dowell shouldn't get a look in yet even though he's done really well at Forest. Would you now be happy for Kenny to be sent out on loan when Coleman is fit, or DCL and Davies to be sent out if we bought a striker and CM in January? Because to me it's all about progression - if someone like Kenny comes in because of injury and does well, they have proved they deserve a place in the senior side. Equally if you have a lad like Dowell who won an U20 WC medal with Kenny, DCL and Lookman and has done very well in the Championship, the management have to be thinking 'how can we give him a chance next?' I think as a club we let too many promising youngsters leave too early because they don't see a realistic chance of first team football. I'm hoping this current crop turns that round, but it all depends on how important Allardyce sees it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 59 minutes ago, nogs said: Find it odd that you say 'we must develop these players properly' yet a few posts earlier implied Dowell shouldn't get a look in yet even though he's done really well at Forest. Would you now be happy for Kenny to be sent out on loan when Coleman is fit, or DCL and Davies to be sent out if we bought a striker and CM in January? Because to me it's all about progression - if someone like Kenny comes in because of injury and does well, they have proved they deserve a place in the senior side. Equally if you have a lad like Dowell who won an U20 WC medal with Kenny, DCL and Lookman and has done very well in the Championship, the management have to be thinking 'how can we give him a chance next?' I think as a club we let too many promising youngsters leave too early because they don't see a realistic chance of first team football. I'm hoping this current crop turns that round, but it all depends on how important Allardyce sees it. Let me explain my thoughts, at the beginning of the season Dowell was not yet ready for the premier league, he has so much skill and ability but he would not have the opportunity to show that because he is not used to the physicality and speed of premier league football. By playing for a side like Forrest he can develop his football and get used to playing competitive football week in and week out so that next season he will be a option for us. I agree if he had been sent out to a club where he would just be on the bench and not used like Galloway last year it would have been damaging, but Forrest play football the right way and Dowell has been played week in week out in the right position for a team that plays good football, ironically better football than us now under Sam...... Davies, Holgate, DCL, had all played games for us last season so were blooded so to speak. With Coleman's injury and Kennys top performances in the U23's last season we had no choice but to use him. Kenny, and Holgate provide cover and competition for us. If we sent Kenny on loan then there would be no cover for Coleman should he get injured and no competition for him to keep him on his toes. Same is true for Holgate in defense and although we have plenty of options in in midfield Davies is the only one, who is a genuine box to box midfielder. So sending any of them out on loan would be pointless. I can see an argument for sending Lookman or Vlasic on loan as we have Bolasie coming back soon I hope. Mirallas is not fit to wear the shirt. I agree that it is vital that Allardyce keeps using the young jewels we have. nogs, Romey 1878, Newty82 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Good post. I still think it's about opportunities though. Yeah I agree DCL and Davies got time last year in a senior side that was playing much better than this season and probably stand out as the two best prospects amongst the youngsters. But the opportunity Kenny has had shows what can be missed if younger players don't get a chance. On Dowell, I'm not sure how you can say a player isn't ready for the Prem until you play him. To make a simple comparison, Lookman scored 10 in 45 games for Charlton in League 1. Dowell has scored 6 in 16 for Forest in the Championship. That to me suggests he's worth a go in our first team. For further comparison, DCL scored no goals in 6 appearances for Sheff Utd, and 5 in 20 for Northampton in League 2. He did admittedly smash it for Stalybridge Celtic with 6 in 5 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 40 minutes ago, nogs said: Good post. I still think it's about opportunities though. Yeah I agree DCL and Davies got time last year in a senior side that was playing much better than this season and probably stand out as the two best prospects amongst the youngsters. But the opportunity Kenny has had shows what can be missed if younger players don't get a chance. On Dowell, I'm not sure how you can say a player isn't ready for the Prem until you play him. To make a simple comparison, Lookman scored 10 in 45 games for Charlton in League 1. Dowell has scored 6 in 16 for Forest in the Championship. That to me suggests he's worth a go in our first team. For further comparison, DCL scored no goals in 6 appearances for Sheff Utd, and 5 in 20 for Northampton in League 2. He did admittedly smash it for Stalybridge Celtic with 6 in 5 games You make a good point, its very hard to know when a player is ready for first team football. I would like to think the coaches thought that Dowell would benefit from regular first team football, rather than stay with us when have so many midfielders, especially no 10's. Lookman had a season at Charlton before he joined us so he already had that education, Dowell is getting that now at Forest. I read the Forest forums a bit and its clear they see him as a diamond in the rough so to speak, so much ability, too good for them but he needs that experience, I think they want to adopt him he is that good. I was talking to a friend yesterday about DCL, he is so good technically, his first touch is very good, he is great at heading the ball, his work rate is impressive, as is his knowledge of knowing where to be to be a threat. All these skills have been developed playing in the premier league, a bonus, yet he has not scored as many goals as we would like as he has been against better defenses - a negative? I don't know. Kane was not prolific on loan and look at him now. I don't think we had a choice we had to keep DCL as we had so few alternatives. I guess its case by case, I am looking forward tom seeing Dowell play for us next season tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/12/05/lennon-relishing-link-up-with-unbelievable-kenny EFC-Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 He’s been super impressive the last few weeks. He should be well up for the derby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Go ed, lad! nutmegwolf203, Matt and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Happy with that, he's improving each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Loved his passion on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Loved his passion on Sunday We have another diamond. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 hours ago, MikeO said: We have another diamond. Hopefully this one won't shit the bed. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 59 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Hopefully this one won't shit the bed. Wonder who you're talking about Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bill said: Wonder who you're talking about Mark. It's a mystery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Stop being so cryptic Rom!!! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-boss-sam-allardyce-hails-14028145 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 11/12/2017 at 21:22, Romey 1878 said: Go ed, lad! http://www.evertonfc.com/news/2017/12/14/new-deals-for-young-everton-trio markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jamie-carragher-screaming-ex-everton-14057353 Quote Jonjoe Kenny deserved more of a chance under Ronald Koeman, says Jamie Carragher. The Sky Sports pundit and former Liverpool defender says he was “screaming” for the 20-year-old to be given a run of games. You're not the only one, Jamie. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 It’s going to be harsh on him when he’s dumped to the bench as soon as Coleman is fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 40 minutes ago, Matt said: It’s going to be harsh on him when he’s dumped to the bench as soon as Coleman is fit Maybe, maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 12/12/2017 at 08:52, Romey 1878 said: Why is it I can't get rid of previous Quotes, have tried the clear editor and it only clears the post, the quote box stays there. As above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Matt said: It’s going to be harsh on him when he’s dumped to the bench as soon as Coleman is fit I don't think Coleman will come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 42 minutes ago, London Blue said: I don't think Coleman will come back. i'm starting to wonder. he's been training for a while now, bolassie was announced then played and now could be in the bench. coleman was announced and still hasn't played yet. im worried a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, London Blue said: I don't think Coleman will come back. Maybe not this season, or at least not this year. But he will be back Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Matt said: Maybe not this season, or at least not this year. But he will be back I hope so. Kenny has been improving each game, but Coleman at his best offers more of a threat. Kenny has a ways to go to reach Coleman's level. Quinn31 and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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