Sibdane Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Tonks - I'd guess pride is why he stayed in, that and ego. Glad he left, he scares me more than trumpYeah -- strangely enough I feel the same. Cruz is more insane than Trump. I honestly don't know who I'm going to vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 It's heating up again. Surprise!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/04/romanian-hacker-guccifer-breached-clinton-server-it-was-easy.html?intcmp=hpbt1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 It's heating up again. Surprise!! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/04/romanian-hacker-guccifer-breached-clinton-server-it-was-easy.html?intcmp=hpbt1 I don't think there is anything in what he says to actually prove any Clinton wrongdoing (not saying it didn't happen). Also, Fox news is notoriously right-winged, so I take anything they say with a grain of salt when it comes to left-wing politics. I don't like Hilary that much, but this article is a non-story for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Cornish, how are you leaning, if you don't mind me asking? This election seems pretty hopeless when looking at the candidates. Hilary appears crooked; and I can't see Donald nor Bernie having any pull in Congress. I can't see any progress being made by any candidate. I'm honestly starting to become worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I saw this link was Fox News so didn't bother looking further... markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I don't understand those people who say they'll not vote because their favoured person is no longer in the running. The way I see it is you're voting for the party and it's the party selects important positions such as Supreme Court judges. Ideally, you want those judges to be of a similar outlook as yourself and the best way to have them put in position is to vote for the party that is likely to put them in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Cornish, how are you leaning, if you don't mind me asking? This election seems pretty hopeless when looking at the candidates. Hilary appears crooked; and I can't see Donald nor Bernie having any pull in Congress. I can't see any progress being made by any candidate. I'm honestly starting to become worried. As a British citizen only, I can't vote - but I'm happy to give my opinion. Four of my six children are US citizens and able to vote, and they supported four different candidates: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton (although my youngest son held his nose doing so), Marco Rubio, and John Kasich. Their votes are probably emblematic of my thoughts in that I could support elements of the policies of all four of these people. More important to me, though, is the character of the person involved - and my assessment is that the most decent and honorable (relative terms, of course, since we're talking about politicians!) is John Kasich. Now, if he could team up with a well-respected Democrat to launch a bipartisan third option in the election, that would be good. Alternatively, I rather wish there was no 2-term limit, because it might be better to allow President Obama to remain in office. Hillary worries me because of her ruthless selfishness and blatant disregard for the country's security. Ted Cruz really scares me, and Donald Trump terrifies me. I'm not convinced yet that he won't become something of a fascist autocrat. The following article, I think, is rather insightful. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) As a British citizen only, I can't vote - but I'm happy to give my opinion. Four of my six children are US citizens and able to vote, and they supported four different candidates: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton (although my youngest son held his nose doing so), Marco Rubio, and John Kasich. Their votes are probably emblematic of my thoughts in that I could support elements of the policies of all four of these people. More important to me, though, is the character of the person involved - and my assessment is that the most decent and honorable (relative terms, of course, since we're talking about politicians!) is John Kasich. Now, if he could team up with a well-respected Democrat to launch a bipartisan third option in the election, that would be good. Alternatively, I rather wish there was no 2-term limit, because it might be better to allow President Obama to remain in office. Hillary worries me because of her ruthless selfishness and blatant disregard for the country's security. Ted Cruz really scares me, and Donald Trump terrifies me. I'm not convinced yet that he won't become something of a fascist autocrat. The following article, I think, is rather insightful. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html hillary clinton's character withstanding she's just going to be obama part 3 really. she's a centrist (like obama) and will bow to the corporations and give them tax breaks while throwing some small bones to the poor and middle class (slight minimum wage improvement, Social security, paid family leave, etc). I could honestly care less about character since they're president not the guy i'm trusting with my wife for the weekend. Meanwhile signing the Trans Pacific Partnership which is the end of the american middle class, unions, etc. We will outsource our whole country to the Far East and watch as the corporations and rich get richer while the rest of us suffer. David Brooks from the New York Times (a conservative mind you) has said "Hillary Clinton will win in the most lopsided victory ever". Strong words for a leading force on the political journalism scene. I agree with him though, Republican lawmakers wont' even back trump (some senators and congress have already said they'll vote for hillary!) so we expect the citizens to? no way. he's going to lose because all democrats will unite around hillary (she's not as bad as trump) and the repubs that don't vote are a vote for hillary essentially. Edited May 5, 2016 by markjazzbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 hillary clinton's character withstanding she's just going to be obama part 3 really. she's a centrist (like obama) and will bow to the corporations and give them tax breaks while throwing some small bones to the poor and middle class (slight minimum wage improvement, Social security, paid family leave, etc). I could honestly care less about character since they're president not the guy i'm trusting with my wife for the weekend. Meanwhile signing the Trans Pacific Partnership which is the end of the american middle class, unions, etc. We will outsource our whole country to the Far East and watch as the corporations and rich get richer while the rest of us suffer. David Brooks from the New York Times (a conservative mind you) has said "Hillary Clinton will win in the most lopsided victory ever". Strong words for a leading force on the political journalism scene. I agree with him though, Republican lawmakers wont' even back trump (some senators and congress have already said they'll vote for hillary!) so we expect the citizens to? no way. he's going to lose because all democrats will unite around hillary (she's not as bad as trump) and the repubs that don't vote are a vote for hillary essentially. I have no problem with outsourcing and actually support it. It's created more jobs than it's killed - just different types of jobs. IMO, more training and education is needed for those affected, not an end to outsourcing. It's also by far the most effective form of foreign aid the world has ever seen. Plus, if we don't outsource, others will and undercut our prices - meaning that more jobs will be lost. Free trade, of which outsourcing is a part, is one of the reason why Western nations have thrived for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 As a British citizen only, I can't vote - but I'm happy to give my opinion. Four of my six children are US citizens and able to vote, and they supported four different candidates: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton (although my youngest son held his nose doing so), Marco Rubio, and John Kasich. Their votes are probably emblematic of my thoughts in that I could support elements of the policies of all four of these people. More important to me, though, is the character of the person involved - and my assessment is that the most decent and honorable (relative terms, of course, since we're talking about politicians!) is John Kasich. Now, if he could team up with a well-respected Democrat to launch a bipartisan third option in the election, that would be good. Alternatively, I rather wish there was no 2-term limit, because it might be better to allow President Obama to remain in office. Hillary worries me because of her ruthless selfishness and blatant disregard for the country's security. Ted Cruz really scares me, and Donald Trump terrifies me. I'm not convinced yet that he won't become something of a fascist autocrat. The following article, I think, is rather insightful. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html Doh! Forgot you aren't American. Thanks for the response. I agree about Kasich, but he never had a chance in hell. He would have been my pick. He's honest and has a good voting record; however, he has absolutely no charisma, as is evident by his failure to get votes. He received absolutely not respect in the debates. Right now I'm leaning Bernie, but I know HRC is going to win the nomination. Speaking of nominations, I received my Washington state ballot in the mail today. Decisions, decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Speaking of nominations, I received my Washington state ballot in the mail today. Decisions, decisions. Watch out for those hanging chads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Watch out for those hanging chads!I had to look up that up. The Wikipedia page is surprisingly detailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 I had to look up that up. The Wikipedia page is surprisingly detailed. It doesn't beat around the Bush but goes into Gorey detail. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 I had to look up that up. The Wikipedia page is surprisingly detailed. i'm guessing you're in your mid to lower twenties then? not being ageist just guessing based on not knowing about that "pop culture" phrase. yeah that fiasco just reinforces the conspiracy theorists notion that the elections are rigged. same as this year hundreds of thousands of peoples registration was "lost" and hillary won those areas even though the lost registration were bernie people. definately doesn't help the people who think our elections are "honest and fair" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 It doesn't beat around the Bush but goes into Gorey detail. :Red card: Was a massive thing at the time, even over here in the mother country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 i'm guessing you're in your mid to lower twenties then? not being ageist just guessing based on not knowing about that "pop culture" phrase. yeah that fiasco just reinforces the conspiracy theorists notion that the elections are rigged. same as this year hundreds of thousands of peoples registration was "lost" and hillary won those areas even though the lost registration were bernie people. definately doesn't help the people who think our elections are "honest and fair" This has happened in more than one state. She's going to win because of this cheating, even though Bernie exceeds poll predictions almost every time. The shenanigans in New York, though, are the worst. The number of people affected is huge. I'm amazed this hasn't been pursued by the press, but they're in Hillary's pocket, too. I keep reading news editorials calling for Bernie to pull out: Why should he when he's winning states time and again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 This has happened in more than one state. She's going to win because of this cheating, even though Bernie exceeds poll predictions almost every time. The shenanigans in New York, though, are the worst. The number of people affected is huge. I'm amazed this hasn't been pursued by the press, but they're in Hillary's pocket, too. I keep reading news editorials calling for Bernie to pull out: Why should he when he's winning states time and again? agreed steve. he has a case with the superdelegates as well. he won their state yet they vote for clinton? laughable. we can only hope she gets indicted and bernie gets the nomination and will win. in all the polls bernie would slaughter Trump. For all the repubs that hate clinton and trump, they don't mind sanders, so some polls i've seen said he's win 74 percent of the vote, a landslide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 i'm guessing you're in your mid to lower twenties then? not being ageist just guessing based on not knowing about that "pop culture" phrase. yeah that fiasco just reinforces the conspiracy theorists notion that the elections are rigged. same as this year hundreds of thousands of peoples registration was "lost" and hillary won those areas even though the lost registration were bernie people. definately doesn't help the people who think our elections are "honest and fair" Mid twenties. I remember that election but obviously couldn't participate in it. I do remember the demanding of a recount though. I wasn't interested in politics until the Obama-McCain period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Mid twenties. I remember that election but obviously couldn't participate in it. I do remember the demanding of a recount though. I wasn't interested in politics until the Obama-McCain period. yep makes complete sense. i'm 31 so was too young to vote but my dad enjoys following politics so i was well aware of all of it. i've heard recently now that if clinton is indicted the democratic party might be VP Joe Biden up instead of Bernie. I don't think he would that well to be honest. Decent guy and decent senator but he doesn't have the charisma of Bernie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 These are interesting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJnbcn7mZ14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9IBn4F0bc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) It's sad that the mainstream media are presuming that Hillary has won: She has not. Bernie won again last night, by more than 10 points, even though the rigged system of superdelegates means she gets as many delegates as he does. This is the first of nine state primaries of which Bernie could well win eight. What will his party do if he wins a majority of elected delegates? Will the superdelegates still insist on giving the crown to Hillary? It's also frustrating that the news outlets claim that Hillary is only 200 votes away from winning. That's only true if you take into account those superdelegates. Without them, Bernie is closing in. Indeed, in California, which is a huge state to win, Republicans can register to vote in the Democratic primary - especially since there's no point in them voting for a Republican candidate. I've seen reports that Bernie's team are wooing young Republicans to do just this. That could be a game-changer. Edited because I kant spill. Edited May 11, 2016 by Cornish Steve markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 11, 2016 Report Share Posted May 11, 2016 It's sad that the mainstream media are presuming that Hillary has won: She has not. Bernie won again last night, by more than 10 points, even though the rigged system of superdelegates means she gets as many delegates as he does. This is the first of nine state primaries of which Bernie could well win eight. What will his party do if he wins a majority of elected delegates? Will the superdelegates still insist on giving the crown to Hillary? It's also frustrating that the news outlets claim that Hillary is only 200 votes away from winning. That's only true if you take into account those superdelegates. Without them, Bernie is closing in. Indeed, in California, which is a huge state to win, Republicans can register to vote in the Democratic primary - especially since there's no point in them voting for a Republican candidate. I've seen reports that Bernie's team are wooing young Republicans to do just this. That could be a game-changer. Edited because I kant spill. i would love that steve, Bernie is my guy and i really hope he's able to highlight the superdelegate corruption so they have to vote for him. In all the polls he would wipe the floor with Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36278172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36278172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Interesting video floating around about Hillary. Can't wait for the follow-up video about Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I am getting sick of politics this year, Assembly votes, EU referendum, Council bye elections and the American Presidency (Luckily the last one is nothing to do with me.) But to be frank about all this. It is exciting to see who gets screwed first. Republicans are screwed already by the poor choices they have had and the Democrats are screwed by their dynasty type politics. We are screwed by the choices we have in a similar way. Cameron is out after this government and we will have to see which likely person will lead into battle with Corbyn. GOD HELP US ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Boris and Trump - the next special relationship. SOS. Cornish Steve and rubecula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 A bit like what Cameron achieved in his negotiations with the EU. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Interesting video floating around about Hillary. Can't wait for the follow-up video about Donald. Good piece of work that; think you could probably put one together on 90% of global politicians though. Same as you can make every footballer look like a world class player on a highlight reel. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Interesting video floating around about Hillary. Can't wait for the follow-up video about Donald. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI itll be longer than 13 minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Trump 'wins enough for nomination' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36392084 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 Trump 'wins enough for nomination' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36392084 yep he's for real. Hillary refused to debate him, so Bernie will be debating him in California. Let's hope the CA voters give Bernie a landslide and prevent her nomination. Also Cornish - You were right. That Private email server report just leaked out and she was breaking the rules. We'll see what happens if the repubs can try and prosecute her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 I was traveling in Wyoming yesterday and hadn't heard the results of Tuesday's primary in Washington. I looked at the major news sites online and not a word. I glanced at the TV playing in the breakfast room and not a word. I turned to a colleague and said, "I'll guarantee that Bernie Sanders won by a landslide." He looked up "Bernie Washington" on Google, and lo and behold: Bernie Sanders won by a landslide. Funny how the media clam up when their candidate doesn't do so well. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 26, 2016 Report Share Posted May 26, 2016 yep he's for real. Hillary refused to debate him, so Bernie will be debating him in California. Let's hope the CA voters give Bernie a landslide and prevent her nomination. Also Cornish - You were right. That Private email server report just leaked out and she was breaking the rules. We'll see what happens if the repubs can try and prosecute her. Politicians don't need to try and prosecute her: The FBI are close to completing their case and will soon begin their prosecution. I'll guarantee you that Hillary will get a presidential pardon. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilweevil666 Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I was traveling in Wyoming yesterday and hadn't heard the results of Tuesday's primary in Washington. I looked at the major news sites online and not a word. I glanced at the TV playing in the breakfast room and not a word. I turned to a colleague and said, "I'll guarantee that Bernie Sanders won by a landslide." He looked up "Bernie Washington" on Google, and lo and behold: Bernie Sanders won by a landslide. Funny how the media clam up when their candidate doesn't do so well. This is wrong. Bernie won the Washington Caucus back in March. That was already reported and was a big part of his "comeback" and "momentum" narrative. The Washington primary that was held this past week is non-binding and does not have any delegates at stake - in other words is useless. Hillary actually won this primary and it had more people vote than participated in the previous caucus. This just exposes the bullshit holier-than-thou attitude of bernie supporters and idea of being denied democratic process, when in fact he relies on undemocratic caucuses. Regardless of individual policy, Bernie is not starting a popular revolution and is not somehow unjustly losing; he is performing worse in popular vote than he is in delegates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith B Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 This is wrong. Bernie won the Washington Caucus back in March. That was already reported and was a big part of his "comeback" and "momentum" narrative. The Washington primary that was held this past week is non-binding and does not have any delegates at stake - in other words is useless. Hillary actually won this primary and it had more people vote than participated in the previous caucus. This just exposes the bullshit holier-than-thou attitude of bernie supporters and idea of being denied democratic process, when in fact he relies on undemocratic caucuses. Regardless of individual policy, Bernie is not starting a popular revolution and is not somehow unjustly losing; he is performing worse in popular vote than he is in delegates. I am a Bernie guy and I agree with this. Hillary has won more votes and has won the states that matter most. I did hear today, however, that the California primary is tightening. If Bernie wins California, I think that could be a big moment. The superdelegate stuff is tremendously stupid I agree. Why do they exist? No one understands why, I guess, unless you are a party operative. The sooner we go to a national primary day or 5 or 6 super regional primaries the better we'll be. It is crazy that the GOP nominated the one guy that can't beat most Democrat and the Democrats are going to nominate the only person that could lose to Trump. I mean, holy shit this country is absolutely fucked. I mean really and truly fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilweevil666 Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I am a Bernie guy and I agree with this. Hillary has won more votes and has won the states that matter most. I did hear today, however, that the California primary is tightening. If Bernie wins California, I think that could be a big moment The superdelegate stuff is tremendously stupid I agree. Why do they exist? No one understands why, I guess, unless you are a party operative. The sooner we go to a national primary day or 5 or 6 super regional primaries the better we'll be. It is crazy that the GOP nominated the one guy that can't beat most Democrat and the Democrats are going to nominate the only person that could lose to Trump. I mean, holy shit this country is absolutely fucked. I mean really and truly fucked. No disagreements on either of the first two points. Bernie needs a big win in California though, and I'm expecting a single-digit, but comfortable Hillary win. That said, any sized victory for him there would also send a big message, regardless of whether it can give him the nomination. Super delegates are old-school machine party politics and should be gone the sooner the better. I'm not sure I agree that Bernie would fare any better against Trump though. I've seen the polls and agree there's an argument to be made, but the fact is that Bernie hasn't been vetted or attacked by the GOP. In fact, Trump is trying to court Bernie voters and play into the narrative that the nomination has been stolen from him. Hillary's unfavorable ratings are being dragged down by Bernie supporters right now, and I personally believe as she clinches the nomination they will start to come around. That said, the race is way too close for comfort right now vs. someone as insane as Trump. The FBI investigation as well as a ton of other baggage Hillary brings does not make me thrilled with her as the candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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markjazzbassist Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 No disagreements on either of the first two points. Bernie needs a big win in California though, and I'm expecting a single-digit, but comfortable Hillary win. That said, any sized victory for him there would also send a big message, regardless of whether it can give him the nomination. Super delegates are old-school machine party politics and should be gone the sooner the better. I'm not sure I agree that Bernie would fare any better against Trump though. I've seen the polls and agree there's an argument to be made, but the fact is that Bernie hasn't been vetted or attacked by the GOP. In fact, Trump is trying to court Bernie voters and play into the narrative that the nomination has been stolen from him. Hillary's unfavorable ratings are being dragged down by Bernie supporters right now, and I personally believe as she clinches the nomination they will start to come around. That said, the race is way too close for comfort right now vs. someone as insane as Trump. The FBI investigation as well as a ton of other baggage Hillary brings does not make me thrilled with her as the candidate. I think your support for Hillary is blinding you to just how much people dislike her. Her favor ability is awful. Only slightly worse is trump. That's not going to get better. When you have 2 bad cabdidates you can't go up, you just go further in the muck and hope your oponnent ends up dirtier. What Keith said is true, Bernie would kill trump in the election because he's not hated, if dems got behind him, any undecided independents or non trump repubs would have no problem voting for Bernie. On the other hand if Hillary and trump everyone's voting party lines because repubs hate Hillary with a passion and will vote trump regardless just cause they hate her. My parents are repubs but hate trump. They like the above would vote for Bernie, but given Hillary versus trump they said they'd just vote trump and tow the party line. I think Hillary would still win the general but it will be an awful election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilweevil666 Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I think your support for Hillary is blinding you to just how much people dislike her. Her favor ability is awful. Only slightly worse is trump. That's not going to get better. When you have 2 bad cabdidates you can't go up, you just go further in the muck and hope your oponnent ends up dirtier. What Keith said is true, Bernie would kill trump in the election because he's not hated, if dems got behind him, any undecided independents or non trump repubs would have no problem voting for Bernie. On the other hand if Hillary and trump everyone's voting party lines because repubs hate Hillary with a passion and will vote trump regardless just cause they hate her. My parents are repubs but hate trump. They like the above would vote for Bernie, but given Hillary versus trump they said they'd just vote trump and tow the party line. I think Hillary would still win the general but it will be an awful election. Hillary has really high unfavorables, there's no denying that. But, do you really think the traditional establishment republicans frustrated with Trump would vote for Bernie? The fact remains that he has not been attacked at all because the GOP was more concerned with Hillary as the nominee; I think the anti-Bernie ads write themselves. Socialist ads, while maybe not accurate, would be effective. He's also proposing the largest peacetime tax increase in US history - that alone is enough to lose you an election in my mind. Then there's his weird 70s sexual psychology writings. Those things should be discarded imo, but if we're going to dig deep into Hillary's background, you can bet those would come up for a Bernie candidacy. His lack of experience in foreign policy and coalition building is less likely to be a problem since Trump doesn't have those either, but they would be against any traditional candidate. Historically Hillary's favorability rating is also not that bad. In fact, she had one of the highest favorability ratings as secretary of state ever. Her favorability has taken a dramatic downturn in the last ~2 years for some legit reasons (emails, wall street speeches), but I believe more to republican and Bernie slander. People act as if Clinton has always been corrupt and untrustworthy, but these are largely constructed campaign ideas. I also believe there's a strong gendered element to them as well: http://qz.com/624346/america-loves-women-like-hillary-clinton-as-long-as-theyre-not-asking-for-a-promotion/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 To Hillary supporters, how do you respond to this article?http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-leaving-democratic-party-article-1.2644307 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted May 29, 2016 Report Share Posted May 29, 2016 I am a Bernie guy and I agree with this. Hillary has won more votes and has won the states that matter most. I did hear today, however, that the California primary is tightening. If Bernie wins California, I think that could be a big moment. The superdelegate stuff is tremendously stupid I agree. Why do they exist? No one understands why, I guess, unless you are a party operative. The sooner we go to a national primary day or 5 or 6 super regional primaries the better we'll be. It is crazy that the GOP nominated the one guy that can't beat most Democrat and the Democrats are going to nominate the only person that could lose to Trump. I mean, holy shit this country is absolutely fucked. I mean really and truly fucked. A big majority of super-delegates committed to Hillary Clinton before any other candidate even announced they were running. If that isn't rigging the system, I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Well shit, I thought the guy had some common sense... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36494691 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Well shit, I thought the guy had some common sense... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36494691 It's either that or endorse Trump, would you prefer that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) It's either that or endorse Trump, would you prefer that ? Could have endorsed Gary Johnson (not that he ever would); I quite like him. Would be interesting to see if libertarianism works in practice (in another country). Edited June 10, 2016 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 It's either that or endorse Trump, would you prefer that ? I would've preferred he endorsed Sanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I don't follow American politics. Has Trump got a chance of getting in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I don't follow American politics. Has Trump got a chance of getting in? unfortunately, yes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 unfortunately, yes... Thought I read somewhere he had no chance. What do our American members think about him and why are so many Americans taken in by him. All genuine questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Thought I read somewhere he had no chance. What do our American members think about him and why are so many Americans taken in by him. All genuine questions. He's the republican candidate, which hopefully just means that the republicans lose. The alternative being Hilary is just as terrifying, but in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Donald J Trump @DonaldTrumpp 24 Sep 2015 People say my wall idea is crazy. China built a wall, and guess how many Mexicans they have. Checkmate. 158 retweets217 likes Reply Retweeted 158 Liked 217 More Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Thought I read somewhere he had no chance. What do our American members think about him and why are so many Americans taken in by him. All genuine questions. Pad he had a genuine chance. He is the republican nominee. Hillary Clinton (wife of former president Bill) is the Democratic nominee. The Trump supporters are mostly 2 fold. Very rich wealthy people just like Tinp himself who know he will do everything to protect interests of his own kind. Sadly the vast majority of his supporters are uneducated people. They hear various key words he throws out (build a wall to keep out Mexicans, deport all Muslims, I'm a business man not a politician, I'm super wealthy self made man, etc) and they cling to that. They don't care or maybe don't realize that he contradicts himself constantly and just says anything to get votes and will probably not come true on all his campaign promises. It's sad, whereas most cabdidates try to reach the uneducated blue collar workers by talking about unions, manufacturing, raising minimum wage, etc. trump has reached them by just using anger and frustration with the "system" and touting his wealth and they think the rich guy is going to make the country rich. In the end though Pad, Hillary is a career politician and once the debates start she will destroy him every which way because he doesn't know anything on foreign policy, economy, etc. he's just buzzwords and bluster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Donald J Trump @DonaldTrumpp 24 Sep 2015 People say my wall idea is crazy. China built a wall, and guess how many Mexicans they have. Checkmate. 158 retweets217 likes Reply Retweeted 158 Liked 217 More You have got to be kidding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Pad he had a genuine chance. He is the republican nominee. Hillary Clinton (wife of former president Bill) is the Democratic nominee. The Trump supporters are mostly 2 fold. Very rich wealthy people just like Tinp himself who know he will do everything to protect interests of his own kind. Sadly the vast majority of his supporters are uneducated people. They hear various key words he throws out (build a wall to keep out Mexicans, deport all Muslims, I'm a business man not a politician, I'm super wealthy self made man, etc) and they cling to that. They don't care or maybe don't realize that he contradicts himself constantly and just says anything to get votes and will probably not come true on all his campaign promises. It's sad, whereas most cabdidates try to reach the uneducated blue collar workers by talking about unions, manufacturing, raising minimum wage, etc. trump has reached them by just using anger and frustration with the "system" and touting his wealth and they think the rich guy is going to make the country rich. In the end though Pad, Hillary is a career politician and once the debates start she will destroy him every which way because he doesn't know anything on foreign policy, economy, etc. he's just buzzwords and bluster. Thanks Mark, I know nothing about it but just on the snippets I've read and seen on telly I'm shocked how anyone could vote for him and the absolute shite he spews. The man is a shauster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Thanks Mark, I know nothing about it but just on the snippets I've read and seen on telly I'm shocked how anyone could vote for him and the absolute shite he spews. The man is a shauster agreed. the country has become so polarized politcally that even republicans who hate trump will still vote for him because their news propoganda (Fox news, rupert murdoch) tells them Democrats are of Satan and will destroy the world. So they just blindly listen to them and vote republican. Sad really. My parents are those exact people sadly, so i'm not just trying to trash republicans, I have first hand experience. They take anything on the television as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 You have got to be kidding... Yes. Not his real account. Says a lot about Trump that you could almost believe it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 The primary elections are not binding. The parties need to demonstrate guts. Trump is a bigoted, racist, dangerous narcissist: If his party chooses him as their candidate, they deserve to be utterly destroyed. Clinton is a likely criminal and consistent liar, and her party deserves to be destroyed if they choose her. A tell-all book about Hillary, written by a member of her security detachment, is set for release shortly (it's already #1 in Amazon's bestseller list based on advanced orders). Its basic premise, it seems, is that Hillary, away from the cameras, is a nasty, scheming individual who is emotionally unstable. The author clearly believes she's unfit for office. And then there's the court case against Trump University, which is going to reveal just what a scumbag Donald Trump is - making personal fortunes out of the naive and vulnerable. I get the sense that the electorate doesn't want either candidate - I mean, really doesn't want either candidate. Let's see which party, if either, has the guts to override the highly unrepresentative sample of voters who opted for Trump or Clinton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Thought I read somewhere he had no chance. What do our American members think about him and why are so many Americans taken in by him. All genuine questions. Have you ever watched documentaries of Hitler coming to power? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Have you ever watched documentaries of Hitler coming to power? Is it really that bad or is that an exaggeration, and if so on a scale of 1-10 what's the chance of him getting into power? 10 being definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 agreed. the country has become so polarized politcally that even republicans who hate trump will still vote for him because their news propoganda (Fox news, rupert murdoch) tells them Democrats are of Satan and will destroy the world. So they just blindly listen to them and vote republican. Sad really. My parents are those exact people sadly, so i'm not just trying to trash republicans, I have first hand experience. They take anything on the television as gospel. I find it sad and disturbing how clearly rational and educated people can be brainwashed so easily. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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