Hafnia Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 So everyone should get sacked after 14 minutes then. Good job we didn't have that attitude with Kendall or United with Ferguson. Not saying for a second he'll emulate either of them but changing managers after 14 minutes as you put it acheives nothing. Should we of got rid of Moyes when we had those duff seasons or are you glad we kept faith? I'm with you in terms of giving him a chance but he's raised my heckles far quicker than he should have done. I've gone from being ecstatic over him to being a bit underwhelmed very very quickly. Not based on the results - based on his behaviours, player selection, formation and tactics. His pursuit of sissoko for £30m and spending the same on bolasie worries the shit out of me. I like bolasie but he's way over priced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 My problem is that nothing has changed, I can't see any positives over the last two years. We are defending better...... are we? Or is it we just haven't been punished as often? Attack? Admittedly this has changed, as we look toothless now. It's still early and I agree we need to see him in January now he has had half a season to put the numbers together. But this has to be the worst I have felt since Moyes! With Moyes and Moshy, I honestly believe we would be challenging the top five now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I like bolasie but he's way over priced. To put it in perspective, he cost us more than Lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I don't agree with all the nostalgia for David Moyes. It says something, though, when we hanker for upper mid-table instead of going for gold. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 We can only support what we have, and at the moment we don't have gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 To put it in perspective, he cost us more than Lukaku. Never thought of that. Obviously prices have inflated a ton in the last couple years, but that's damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Lukaku was 27 Bolasie was 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 Lukaku was 27 Bolasie was 24 25 with the potential to rise to 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 I don't agree with all the nostalgia for David Moyes. It says something, though, when we hanker for upper mid-table instead of going for gold. Me neither... he couldn't get united in the top 4 so why would he get us there? We were only ever also rans under him the two managers since at least have the attitude to be the best even if it hasn't or isn't working out that well just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 There's no danger of us ever winning anything any time soon. That extra £5m is safe for now. For now, but we have no idea what the extras actually are. It's safe now more because he's injured than because we're losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 9, 2016 Report Share Posted December 9, 2016 To put it in perspective, he cost us more than Lukaku. The market has gone insane in the last year though... I honestly don't know what a player is worth now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 The market has gone insane in the last year though... I honestly don't know what a player is worth now.Me neither. 60m for Schneiderlin and Depay seems excessive, but is it really? I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10689548/ronald-koeman-everton-is-a-big-project-one-summer-is-not-enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Koeman needs to go. Who knew? Everton is the only club in the history that has become worse after getting a wealthy new owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 I hate saying this, but give him until January and if he's not improved he's got to go, nobody looks arsed what so ever and I'm not waiting around another 2 seasons for the club to sack someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Dutch pancake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Tara ron.... return ya jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Im not one for sacking managers quickly but at least under Martinez we tried to play, just could not keep it out, i just don't see how he is going to bring in 7/8 in Jan and make it work, there has been no sign whatsoever that Koeman is capable of that. God we are in a mess at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) Pre-season we where linked with Kalidou Koulibaly, Virgil van Dyke, and even Kone from Sunderland. Who did he bring in ? A 32 year old Ashley Williams. Then it was Yacine Brahimi, Manolo Gabbiadini, and Julian Draxler, who did we get ? Bolassie. Joe Hart was available, who did we bring in ? Well you know who. None of those players are any better than we already had. This manager is seriously flawed, and we will have a massive problem getting any top players to come to us. Edited December 10, 2016 by Bill SimonButtle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Said from the start didn't want this clown! Such an uninspiring appointment! A false dawn of a few wins at the start of the season. The fella is here on holiday laughing counting his money in the office. Garbage football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Statsically not as good as Martinez! Most toothless and lacklustre .....boring team I have watched for years! But apparently he is honest and says it like it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 So I have some dutch friends I spoke to about Koeman. Just the general dutch attitude. They all say the same thing, that the dutch just don't get the rabid fanaticism of English football fans. They say if you wanted a manager who shouts amd screams on the touchline and shows emotions then you should not have taken a dutch one. Managers get sacked because of bad results so there is no point them getting attached to a club. The relationship will only ever be professional This is speaking for itself, it's showing through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10689548/ronald-koeman-everton-is-a-big-project-one-summer-is-not-enough I don't doubt that half our squad is over the hill, and the other half are not good enough... But I don't buy this line from Koeman that somehow the players 'don't know how to press'. That's what training sessions are for, he has had these players for 6 months now, if they can't do something he wants, he has to take responsibility for it. Klopp has got a lot of players he didn't sign pressing the way he wants at Liverpool, Conte had got a lot of players he didn't sign playing a system they've probably never played before at Chelsea. It just seems like Koeman has thrown his hands up, made it obvious to the entire squad that he doesn't think they can do what he wants, and now we're stuck in this huge stalemate while everyone waits on their future, with morale understandably rock bottom. That to me is bad, bad management. And let's say for a moment that a significant portion of our first team squad either do not understand or cannot physically play the pressing game - what about the kids? Pochettino turned Southampton into a pressing side bringing in youth players full of energy he could mould and teach; he's done the same at Spurs, and learnt it from Bielsa at Newell's Old Boys, who turned a youth side into continental champions on the same premise. Is Koeman telling us that none of the U23s can play the way he wants, either? How does he know, what evidence is he basing that on? Or is it a case of him not be willing to, or not being capable of, teaching them? No, sorry Ronald. You've had 6 months at this club. Yes, this squad needs a major overhaul, but that is no excuse for how badly we are playing. If you want us to press, do some fucking coaching. If players are still not getting it, it says as much about your abilities as a coach and manager as their talent as players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Unsworth got these same players pressing out of their skin in 1 week. We are just aren't doing it full stop. There is no way he is asking them to close down as much as he bleats on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Here are the criteria I'd suggest are needed for a manager to succeed at Everton. 1) Understand the Everton way: culture, history, way of doing things 2) Have the full respect of all players so they want to be play for you 3) Understand the players, their skills, and what motivates them 4) Have a clear long-term strategy for success 5) Have the nous needed to implement winning tactics week after week 6) Be flexible and willing to listen and delegate. Be a team player 7) Have a proven track record in the Premier League Which does Koeman have? From the evidence, not much beyond #7. Which does Unsworth have? Just about all but #7. We're really really missing (i) clear long-term strategy; (ii) playing to each player's strengths; (iii) taking advantage of the youth system; and most importantly, (iv) having an obvious cultural fit between team and manager. Frankly, it would be stupid to spend heavily in the upcoming window. It may sound crazy, but I'd spend little - maybe temporary cover for the African players - until we see a manager with a very clear and achievable long-term strategy. If you can't get the best out of the current squad, with exciting youngsters waiting in the wings, what difference will bring new players in make? It's far more risky to introduce new players than to get the best out of current players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted December 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 If you think David Unsworth is good enough to manage a top premier league team Steve you're absolutely mad. dlblue and Makis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 (edited) If you think David Unsworth is good enough to manage a top premier league team Steve you're absolutely mad. He has never lost a PL game when in charge Edited December 10, 2016 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Pre-season we where linked with Kalidou Koulibaly, Virgil van Dyke, and even Kone from Sunderland. Who did he bring in ? A 32 year old Ashley Williams. Then it was Yacine Brahimi, Manolo Gabbiadini, and Julian Draxler, who did we get ? Bolassie. Joe Hart was available, who did we bring in ? Well you know who. None of those players are any better than we already had. This manager is seriously flawed, and we will have a massive problem getting any top players to come to us. Koeman doesn't buy players, he's said it many times. So blaming him on transfers is... I don't know, stupid? And double so when you think *why* we didn't sign those players. Would you have been happy to pay 60 million for Koulibaly? van Dijk, was he even available? And Kone in the end decided not to move. How do you force him, hold a gun to his head? Draxler is a pipe-dream, Brahimi and Gabbiadini haven't been pulling trees. And those are forwards, Bolassie is a winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 Unsworth as manager at this point is a top candidate for worst suggestion of the season. dlblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted December 10, 2016 Report Share Posted December 10, 2016 If you think David Unsworth is good enough to manage a top premier league team Steve you're absolutely mad. You attend matches which, so far away, I cannot - so you would know much better than I. Nonetheless, when you look at the criteria above, Koeman is lacking in many areas right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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