pete0 2,042 Posted June 10, 2019 Report Share Posted June 10, 2019 7 hours ago, holystove said: Not something you can take to the European Court of Justice. Thanks Holystove. Hopefully the powers that be over here will reverse the decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48602988 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Matt said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48602988 Was in a really small bar/restaurant in the hills here yesterday, well off the tourist track and a place that you need someone to tell you about otherwise you'd never find it, one of my favourite spots with stunning views from a terrace built on stilts. Only three tables occupied and one of them consisted of four Brits (Yorkshire I'd say from the accent) being absolutely obnoxious at a very loud volume. Fully understand people being pro-Brexit but these were out and out racist (Albanians and Romanians their particular target) and ignorant ("...did we have a referendum before we joined?" None of them knew). Now my wife has a fierce temper on her at times (and is the daughter of two refugees) and I was just sat there thinking, "...please don't say anything Deb". We had our drink and left, if they'd have mentioned Farage I would have asked them, very politely to shut the f'ck up as we're on holiday and don't need to hear this xenophobia. Was actually amazed my wife managed to hold her tongue, not like her. Not for a mo suggesting they're representative of all leavers so please don't take it that way, but they were frankly, in a word, scum. StevO 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted June 18, 2019 Report Share Posted June 18, 2019 John, reading back... how do you accept that a new PM discussion is “democratic” whilst insisting that “the people voted”? Do you not see the hypocrisy, fundamental flaw, of representative democracy? Less than 1% of the supposed electorate can decide who makes decisions on the country’s future without issue other than its “tradition” (actually, it’s law because the people get to decide because they were voted to represent the public) but refusing a discussion on a potential terminal surgery is democratic? honestly baffled : 1) new PM discussion = representative democracy = no say for the people ( is what we’re based on, yes, agree but it’s shite) 2) direct democracy = a vote like Brexit, despite lack of information and lying/ deception/ both so, when you refer to democracy, which are you talking about; the legal shit one or the one that should be in place but no one seems to know how to work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,042 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2019/06/22/leave-means-leave-boris-johnsons-girlfriend/?fbclid=IwAR0aY0V_hLZg_iQ45jqOWGrZx0qndkMlaVFf5GVADAJPs3rf4vf0URn5Qrg Palfy, MikeO and Matt 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, pete0 said: https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2019/06/22/leave-means-leave-boris-johnsons-girlfriend/?fbclid=IwAR0aY0V_hLZg_iQ45jqOWGrZx0qndkMlaVFf5GVADAJPs3rf4vf0URn5Qrg That made me smile 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
holystove 671 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 this is insane Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 23, 2019 Report Share Posted June 23, 2019 33 minutes ago, holystove said: this is insane As far as I’m aware Parliament have already voted that we cannot leave without a deal, so I cannot see how Boris or him can say we will leave without a deal if we have to it’s not solely their decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Palfy said: As far as I’m aware Parliament have already voted that we cannot leave without a deal, so I cannot see how Boris or him can say we will leave without a deal if we have to it’s not solely their decision. They’ve changed the laws before, they can change them again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 18 hours ago, pete0 said: https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2019/06/22/leave-means-leave-boris-johnsons-girlfriend/?fbclid=IwAR0aY0V_hLZg_iQ45jqOWGrZx0qndkMlaVFf5GVADAJPs3rf4vf0URn5Qrg Never seen that site before, it's brilliant; this had me crying with laughter! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 hours ago, Matt said: They’ve changed the laws before, they can change them again. Very true Matt but to change what Parliament has already sanctioned they would have to convince a lot of MPs to change their minds, and I cannot see that happening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Palfy said: Very true Matt but to change what Parliament has already sanctioned they would have to convince a lot of MPs to change their minds, and I cannot see that happening. Doesn't need that, a new PM could "prorogue" parliament effectively shutting it down so the default position of leave without a deal would happen without the House having any say. Raab said he'd do it, Boris has said nothing on anything; he's obviously been told that the only way he's going to possibly not win is to actually open his mouth and say something retarded (hate that word but in this case it's the only one I can think of). Already ducked out of one TV debate, he's going to do the same for the Sky one tomorrow. We're doomed Captain Mainwaring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 42 minutes ago, MikeO said: Doesn't need that, a new PM could "prorogue" parliament effectively shutting it down so the default position of leave without a deal would happen without the House having any say. Raab said he'd do it, Boris has said nothing on anything; he's obviously been told that the only way he's going to possibly not win is to actually open his mouth and say something retarded (hate that word but in this case it's the only one I can think of). Already ducked out of one TV debate, he's going to do the same for the Sky one tomorrow. We're doomed Captain Mainwaring. That was said by Raabid but in reality it wouldn’t stand or happen, it was the voice of a desperate man trying to prove he meant business, we’ve left the times of Oliver Cromwell Boris or anyone else wouldn’t succeed trying to go down that road. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Palfy said: That was said by Raabid but in reality it wouldn’t stand or happen, it was the voice of a desperate man trying to prove he meant business, we’ve left the times of Oliver Cromwell Boris or anyone else wouldn’t succeed trying to go down that road. As far as I'm aware neither C Hunt or Boris have ruled it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, MikeO said: As far as I'm aware neither C Hunt or Boris have ruled it out. The high Court and the queen with the backing of the majority of MPs and the House of Lords would suspend the Parliament and the powers of the PM. I wouldn’t concern yourself to much that that would happen, that was just the rantings of Raab even the EU wouldn’t accept that as constitutional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 hours ago, MikeO said: As far as I'm aware neither C Hunt or Boris have ruled it out. Well you can count Boris out of that equation he has just announced he will be leaving with a deal, in his words “ things between us and the EU have changed in the last 3 years “ I think more like he now realises what a monumental fuck up he has helped to create, and now he may become PM he hasn’t got the courage to press the self destruct button. All this from a man who was going to walk away without a deal who believed any deal was a bad deal now advocating a deal, if that’s not proof that he lied to also who voted Brexit I don't know what is. Personally all this is adding up to a second referendum and us staying and rightfully so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Palfy said: Very true Matt but to change what Parliament has already sanctioned they would have to convince a lot of MPs to change their minds, and I cannot see that happening. MPs have already been blackmailed by May into changing their minds. They’re fickle and predominantly looking after themselves. Wouldn’t need much convincing at all in my opinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,042 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48839829?fbclid=IwAR253u4uEtU17dSzINKz9DD77eig2DuV23tNx3QMiUjCaSgF-AjJZLk2k_g Brexiteers turned their backs to the anthem and LibDems wore bollocks to Brexit t-shirts. What an absolute pantomime our country is. Matt and holystove 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevO 5,809 Posted July 2, 2019 Report Share Posted July 2, 2019 That is pathetic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnh 1,810 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 On 25/06/2019 at 08:36, Matt said: MPs have already been blackmailed by May into changing their minds. They’re fickle and predominantly looking after themselves. Wouldn’t need much convincing at all in my opinion MP's are the most self serving people on the planet - all parties. Matt, off-thread I know, but have been reading about the spat between Switzerland and the EU. As you are at the coal-face, as they say, I would be interested in hearing your take on this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, johnh said: MP's are the most self serving people on the planet - all parties. Matt, off-thread I know, but have been reading about the spat between Switzerland and the EU. As you are at the coal-face, as they say, I would be interested in hearing your take on this. Pretty sure we’ve covered this before and not much has changed. It’s just negotiations. Both sides know the importance of the other. Honestly, there’s never anything about this on the radio or in papers that I see, and everyone (Swiss) I know has a positive view on the EU. The immigration thing in Switzerland is hilarious. Nearly all immigrants work in the boarder cantons, all of which support immigration, and Switzerland is largely dependent on it. The noise comes from the more rural cantons who are barely effected. The big issue is the frontaliers, people who work in Switzerland but live on the other side of the border in France for example (meaning they make a fortune and take the money out of Switzerland) but this is 100% in Swiss hands because they issue the permits to allow people to do it. So far as I see, it’s just media noise. at least we agree on MPs I deliberately didn’t mention parties. It’s shocking that people elected to represent the population concentrate on their own careers rather than the good of the country. “Democracy”, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnh 1,810 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt said: Pretty sure we’ve covered this before and not much has changed. It’s just negotiations. Both sides know the importance of the other. Honestly, there’s never anything about this on the radio or in papers that I see, and everyone (Swiss) I know has a positive view on the EU. The immigration thing in Switzerland is hilarious. Nearly all immigrants work in the boarder cantons, all of which support immigration, and Switzerland is largely dependent on it. The noise comes from the more rural cantons who are barely effected. The big issue is the frontaliers, people who work in Switzerland but live on the other side of the border in France for example (meaning they make a fortune and take the money out of Switzerland) but this is 100% in Swiss hands because they issue the permits to allow people to do it. So far as I see, it’s just media noise. at least we agree on MPs I deliberately didn’t mention parties. It’s shocking that people elected to represent the population concentrate on their own careers rather than the good of the country. “Democracy”, Cheers Matt, thanks. Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 40 minutes ago, johnh said: Cheers Matt, thanks. No worries. If I hear something to the contrary I’ll let you know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Matt said: No worries. If I hear something to the contrary I’ll let you know I’m sure there sort it out I expect most of the EU higher Archie have Swiss bank accounts to worry about, so they won’t be making to much noise just in case Quote Link to post Share on other sites
holystove 671 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 14 hours ago, Palfy said: I’m sure there sort it out I expect most of the EU higher Archie have Swiss bank accounts to worry about, so they won’t be making to much noise just in case Swiss banking secrecy was lifted in 2018 under pressure from EU and the OECD. Current discussion is about something else (streamlining the EU - Switzerland relationship from some 120 agreements into one treaty). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,042 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/emily-maitlis-and-brian-monteith-clash-on-bbc-newsnight-1-6139182?fbclid=IwAR2mW3qX1M6dLsmQNAeTMto7cbZhADhvoCOjj-visPoEKxj0gbqYlwUPDx4 Brexit MP who lives in France says it's allowed in the rules and Remoaners are using it as a distraction. Absolute parasite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 8 hours ago, holystove said: Swiss banking secrecy was lifted in 2018 under pressure from EU and the OECD. Current discussion is about something else (streamlining the EU - Switzerland relationship from some 120 agreements into one treaty). Okay mate lighten up you had a sense of humour by pass operation that was said tongue in cheek, I must apologise for not taking into account that some from other countries may not get my humour and probably some from this as well, but try and stop being so officious you never know you might enjoy having a little laugh now and then 😀 holystove 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Palfy said: Okay mate lighten up you had a sense of humour by pass operation that was said tongue in cheek, I must apologise for not taking into account that some from other countries may not get my humour and probably some from this as well, but try and stop being so officious you never know you might enjoy having a little laugh now and then 😀 To be honest, natives struggle with your humour too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Matt said: To be honest, natives struggle with your humour too... Lucky for you that you now live in Switzerland, you should be safe from my poor wit from that distance. Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Share Posted July 4, 2019 Ann Widdecombe likening EU membership to slavery and Farage and his ephemeral acolytes having a good laugh about it. Not funny. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48869520 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Matt said: To be honest, natives struggle with your humour too... What’s the weather been like for you Matt my friends son played in the European Amateur golf tournament in Austria last week, and they struggled with the heat it was so hot 🥵 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Palfy said: What’s the weather been like for you Matt my friends son played in the European Amateur golf tournament in Austria last week, and they struggled with the heat it was so hot 🥵 Between 35-37c with humidity. The cars AC has been struggling, and was often 45c when I got in it but cooler this week, 28c on average Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 5, 2019 Report Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Matt said: Between 35-37c with humidity. The cars AC has been struggling, and was often 45c when I got in it but cooler this week, 28c on average Wow 😮 that’s barmy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 14, 2019 Report Share Posted July 14, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48978739 well no shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnh 1,810 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 On 14/07/2019 at 11:25, Matt said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48978739 well no shit This is the same man whose project fear forecasts for the last three years have been crap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnh 1,810 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 Did some research to find out the most senior person who has accused the EU of being 'undemocratic'. The most senior I could find was the outgoing president of the EU, Jean-Claude Juncker. Now if Juncker accuses you of being undemocratic, you know you're in trouble. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, johnh said: This is the same man whose project fear forecasts for the last three years have been crap. Everyone’s forecast have crap though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 16, 2019 Report Share Posted July 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, johnh said: Did some research to find out the most senior person who has accused the EU of being 'undemocratic'. The most senior I could find was the outgoing president of the EU, Jean-Claude Juncker. Now if Juncker accuses you of being undemocratic, you know you're in trouble. Source? as for undemocratic, it again shows how people simply don’t understand their own democracy. The UK supposedly has a democracy but it’s a ridiculous statement to make, for the same reasons the EU is democratic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49030225 how it’s even up for debate is ridiculous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,042 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-ursula-von-der-leyen-brexit-party-vote-eu-commission-juncker-a9008501.html%3famp Farages says the 54% share of the vote isn't enough for the EU candidate to be selected... Set brexit was only 52%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
holystove 671 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Mistakingly citing a UK rule as your crowning example of EU red-tape and then literally waving a dead fish in the air to rally braying supporters into a patriotic frenzy of outrage is a great early look into what a Boris Johnson premiership will look like. .. Were there no bendy bananas available? markjazzbassist and pete0 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 A great example of what I’ll label Project Deception. Difference between that name and “Project Fear” is that it actually exists. John, I await your response (preferably with some actual fact) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Surprise surprise. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49089209 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, MikeO said: Surprise surprise. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49089209 Even id say that’s a tenuous link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 45 minutes ago, Matt said: Even id say that’s a tenuous link You don't think the Brexit movement has caused a rise in racism? Really? It just has, no question for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 Johnstone won’t get Brexit delivered on the 31st of any month he won’t get the backing of MPs and will be forced to hold a general election, and hand over the reins for another leader preferably not a Tory to tell the country that article 50 has been retracted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 hour ago, MikeO said: You don't think the Brexit movement has caused a rise in racism? Really? It just has, no question for me. It’s given people an excuse. but it’s always been there. Brexit maybe a catalyst but it’s not the cause. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt said: It’s given people an excuse, and i get. but it’s always been there. Brexit maybe a catalyst but it’s not the cause. Wouldn't disagree with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
holystove 671 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Palfy said: Johnstone won’t get Brexit delivered on the 31st of any month he won’t get the backing of MPs and will be forced to hold a general election, and hand over the reins for another leader preferably not a Tory to tell the country that article 50 has been retracted. Varoufakis, the sequel. Bailey 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,444 Posted July 24, 2019 Report Share Posted July 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, holystove said: Varoufakis, the sequel. I think the EU will see it that way as a waste of time? But Yanis would blame them as an entity you can’t deal with. It will be very interesting how the negotiations develop or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted August 1, 2019 Report Share Posted August 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49165836 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49183324 looking more and more likely. Like lemmings off a cliff... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-4922331 threatening during negotiations only ever ends one way. Just when you think the Conservatives couldn’t be more incompetent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
London Blue 2,246 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 If we leave in a "No deal" scenario then it will be, very, very bad. I doubt I will be seeing anything of my son and wife for about 6 weeks....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, London Blue said: If we leave in a "No deal" scenario then it will be, very, very bad. I doubt I will be seeing anything of my son and wife for about 6 weeks....... I’m completely confused with the second paragraph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
London Blue 2,246 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Matt said: I’m completely confused with the second paragraph My job means I will be working very, very long shifts with very few or no days off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, London Blue said: My job means I will be working very, very long shifts with very few or no days off. If it’s any consolation, very few might have a job so you’d get loads of family time! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
London Blue 2,246 Posted August 4, 2019 Report Share Posted August 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Matt said: If it’s any consolation, very few might have a job so you’d get loads of family time! Sad and true, my heart goes out to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who will suffer the consequences of Brexit, especially a no deal Brexit. holystove 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,017 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Matt said: I’m completely confused with the second paragraph LB's a policeman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,122 Posted August 5, 2019 Report Share Posted August 5, 2019 10 hours ago, London Blue said: Sad and true, my heart goes out to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people who will suffer the consequences of Brexit, especially a no deal Brexit. 47 minutes ago, MikeO said: LB's a policeman. Forgot about that. LB, I wish you all the best mate. My brother in law is a Bobby too, so I know how hard it already is thanks to May (before being PM) and don’t want to imagine what Brexit, deal or no deal, will bring for you. Good luck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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