duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/679600/Everton-Stoke-Marko-Arnautovic-Ronald-Koeman-first-signing-transfer-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 goals from the wing and proven in the PL. He's an underrated player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 He can be a bit hit and miss but I like him, he can make something out of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'll clarify; if it was before Morishis money, I would've been happy but now we should be aiming so much higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 World class players might be hard to convince without European footy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 World class players might be hard to convince without European footy. Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are And they're full of nob heads. Rather we go for the right people (by paying the big money up front), those wanting to be part of a project and not the mercenaries of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 And they're full of nob heads. Rather we go for the right people (by paying the big money up front), those wanting to be part of a project and not the mercenaries of the world. True, but is this guy good enough to send us further? Not in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) True, but is this guy good enough to send us further? Not in my opinion. Also true. I do think he is underrated though but too similar to Mirallas. Can be out of the game for 88 minutes and then pop up with a goal, MOTD then have a montage of his best bits (the replay on repeat) before Shearer spunks on about the finish and what a player he is...the following week destroys him for being shite. Edited June 14, 2016 by Lowensda Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Hes good, but no better than Mirallas or Geri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Matt, at any point has Moshiri said he will be personally throwing big money into our transfer funds? He has got us into a better financial position, and is keen to progress the new stadium and get a manager sorted but I don't see that we'll have anything much more than anyone else to spend which is largely coming from increased TV deals. Any other extra money on top will be from the sale of Stones or Lukaku. I might be wrong but I don't see us suddenly bringing in several huge transfers ala Chelsea/Citeh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Matt, at any point has Moshiri said he will be personally throwing big money into our transfer funds? He has got us into a better financial position, and is keen to progress the new stadium and get a manager sorted but I don't see that we'll have anything much more than anyone else to spend which is largely coming from increased TV deals. Any other extra money on top will be from the sale of Stones or Lukaku. I might be wrong but I don't see us suddenly bringing in several huge transfers ala Chelsea/Citeh. There's been multiple indications (though I grant you, nothing I can find directly quoting Morishi), saying £100m + sales. Whether that comes from the TV money or his own pocket initially I honestly don't care, but I'm convinced we will spend big on 2-3 players, especially after how he's gotten Koeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Easier with a big wage though, its how Chelsea and City got themselves where they are This would mean paying players more than they are worth as others would be willing to pay what they really are worth (some even more than that). And this is not insignificant. Let's say a worldie wants £100,000 per week, but since we don't have European footy we would have to pay that much more to convince him to come play for money alone. How much extra would that be? 20,000? That would be an extra million pounds per year. And I'm not sure 20% is enough, but nevertheless, those millions stack up quickly. Then there's the FFP consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) This would mean paying players more than they are worth as others would be willing to pay what they really are worth (some even more than that). And this is not insignificant. Let's say a worldie wants £100,000 per week, but since we don't have European footy we would have to pay that much more to convince him to come play for money alone. How much extra would that be? 20,000? That would be an extra million pounds per year. And I'm not sure 20% is enough, but nevertheless, those millions stack up quickly. Then there's the FFP consideration. We're going to be doing this anyway, with wages and transfer fees. I understand, and usually would be saying exactly the same thing as you're doing, like I have in the past. FFP, I think because of the new TV money it means we're sorted. Then, if we get the stadium moving quickly, we'll have even more income from stadium naming rights and all the other benefits it would entail. Edited June 14, 2016 by Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 FFP is hardly even there anymore, they buckled under pressure from PSG. £100m should be available to spend even without Moshiri's money. Other clubs spent some of it last year with loans taken out, like we normally do, but we didn't last year. So it should all be there. Just have to take into account the extra wages everyone will want now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 We're going to be doing this anyway, with wages and transfer fees. I understand, and usually would be saying exactly the same thing as you're doing, like I have in the past. FFP, I think because of the new TV money it means we're sorted. Then, if we get the stadium moving quickly, we'll have even more income from stadium naming rights and all the other benefits it would entail. You forget everyone else in the PL is also sorted with six (irc) teams offering Euro football. And FFP means the wage bill can only be increased by 7 million per year. The only way to go above that as far as I know are player sales. So yes, we could sell Lukaku, but then we couldn't use all the money on transfer fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 FFP is hardly even there anymore, they buckled under pressure from PSG. £100m should be available to spend even without Moshiri's money. Other clubs spent some of it last year with loans taken out, like we normally do, but we didn't last year. So it should all be there. Just have to take into account the extra wages everyone will want now. Not even close to 100 million without Moshiri money. More like 30-40 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 You forget everyone else in the PL is also sorted with six (irc) teams offering Euro football. And FFP means the wage bill can only be increased by 7 million per year. The only way to go above that as far as I know are player sales. So yes, we could sell Lukaku, but then we couldn't use all the money on transfer fees. Not forgetting, just taking it all into account. Europe is a massive enticement, wages can be bigger is all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd take Perisic before him personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Yes please he's a horrible cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'd take Perisic before him personally. And why would he come here? No shortage of takers if he decided to leave. He's first choice at Inter so unless we paid him silly money why would he move? Thing is, we are not going to sign a team of world class players. That 100 million includes wages so if Koeman signs two 30 million pound players at 100.000 pounds per week, that's 70 million used up already. How many players do you reckon we need? Many think seven which would mean an average cost of about 10-12 million (60.000 pounds per week means 3 million on wages per year and I think that's where the wages for players of that caliber will ask at a minimum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 exactly my feelings too,he scores is strong he will do me. Yep, he's got that nasty determined streak in him, he's big and strong and as you say he scores goals. In a heartbeat for me, I really like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I like him and think he's underrated, but his position shouldn't be the first priority on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Yes please he's a horrible cunt. This, he's got that streak we desperately need at times along with being underated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'm not saying I'd pick Arnautovic as my first choice, mind. But I understand not every player we sign this summer will be a 20+ million player. I'm pretty sure there will be one or two players specifically signed to fit Koeman's tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 He didn't exactly shine today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 He didn't exactly shine today.overacting fairy for the most part, detracted from his few moments of decent (and one excellent) play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 And why would he come here? No shortage of takers if he decided to leave. He's first choice at Inter so unless we paid him silly money why would he move? Thing is, we are not going to sign a team of world class players. That 100 million includes wages so if Koeman signs two 30 million pound players at 100.000 pounds per week, that's 70 million used up already. How many players do you reckon we need? Many think seven which would mean an average cost of about 10-12 million (60.000 pounds per week means 3 million on wages per year and I think that's where the wages for players of that caliber will ask at a minimum). He's the sort of playing we should be looking at though. He would want to come to the premier league and if we were so good at selling the clubs plans and ambition to Koeman than it should be the same for attracting players. If after that he doesn't buy into it, then wish him all the best for the future and we will find someone else who will buy into it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) And sorry I missed a few question on your post mate, I don't think we need 7 top class players. Off the top of my head, GK RB cover DCM ( McCarthy out ) funds for funds player ACM Winger Back up CF RB could be a loan signing, maybe trippier from Spurs or someone like that I'm not sure. I don't know our exact budget/wage structure but I do see your point on how quickly the money goes. I would just rather see us take 2 summer windows were we add quality than one full of quantity as the players who left, didn't contribute a lot whilst our youth really deserve to be given ago and fill their vacated roles. ( Dowell, Davies, Pennington, Galloway and so forth ) Edited June 14, 2016 by Btay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StevO Posted June 15, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Makis, where is your info that the £100m is inclusive of wages? So far the £100m has only been a rumour so stating it includes wages is just making things up. Everton had enough money to spend £30m last year before the increase in TV money, so how much was the increase for this season? Apart from us buying two or three strikers if we shift the current crop, I don't want us buying back up players. Buy players for the first team, let the current first team players become the back up. Matt, Romey 1878, dlblue and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlblue Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I like Arnautovic but i wouldnt have him in my team over Mirallas. I don't think we need 7 new players either. think that's a little excessive (unless they are replacements for players that leave), especially with no European Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) I like Arnautovic but i wouldnt have him in my team over Mirallas. I don't think we need 7 new players either. think that's a little excessive (unless they are replacements for players that leave), especially with no European Football. Goal keeper, center back, right back, 2 strikers (If Lukaku goes, 1 if he stays), winger, creative center midfielder Edited June 15, 2016 by London Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Goal keeper, center back, right back, 2 strikers (If Lukaku goes, 1 if he stays), winger, creative center midfielder That is indeed what we need, but we can't do it all in 1 transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) That is indeed what we need, but we can't do it all in 1 transfer window. Center Back - not so worried if Stones stays I think our defense will be allot better with a manager who knows how to defend and appreciates them, + talented youngsters. Right Back - Yes its a must. Striker - Yes its a must Creative Midfielder - We have been linked with a few so I think that will happen. Goal Keeper - Yes its a must Winger - Maybe. Edited June 15, 2016 by London Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 No thanks. Showed what he was all about for Austria v Hungary. Petulant, play-acting, couple of fancy flicks but largely ineffective against determined opponents. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Center Back - not so worried if Stones stays I think our defense will be allot better with a manager who knows how to defend and appreciates them, + talented youngsters. Right Back - Yes its a must. Striker - Yes its a must Creative Midfielder - We have been linked with a few so I think that will happen. Goal Keeper - Yes its a must Winger - Maybe. The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them. Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them. Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become. I'd be happy with spending the majority of money on those positions and filling the rest of the depth with "filler" players who come for free, on loan or are cheap because of one reason or another (length of contract, age, etc). Basically I'm eluding to bringing in players which people will hate, just ones that will do the job and aren't fancy. Most people don't realise that you can't spend 30 million on every position and sometimes have to wheel some deals the Moyes way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 The 3 in bold are the "must haves" and could easily cost £100m between them. Just writing that last bit... Insane. I hate what football has become. I know the money is crazy and wrong - but this is the world we live in. We can shop in the Champions League store now and we could spend that money on 3 players, and to be honest that's the spine of the team which is so important. With some of the youngsters we have I hope we spend the money where we need to and give the youngsters and players a chance where we can. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Stewart Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Marko Arnautovic should be immediately in front of a shift from Stoke City to Everton . According to " crown " the 27 - year-old has already signed a four-year contract on Tuesday the transfer is to be officially confirmed . Made possible the transfer a release clause of around 15 million euros in the Treaty of Arnautovic . The Viennese could be a replacement for striker Romelu Lukaku , who is about to finish. The traditional club of Liverpool ended last season in eleventh place , two places behind Stoke . But Everton wants sporty improve in the coming season and is ready for it to dig deep into their pockets . Besides Arnautovic also the Belgian Axel Witsel from Zenit St. Persburg to come for rumored € 30 million to the " Toffees " . This from sky sports austria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 his release clause is only 12.5m pounds? sign him up ronny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Would be a good squad player but not an improvement on what we've got already in my opinion. Mirallas is a better player in my opinion - he's just been poorly managed for a couple of years. As said though - £12.5m is a steal with some of the ridiculous prices flying around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Doing a Bayern. Buy all the competitions best players. Fair do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I like him said it loads of times he's what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I'd be quite content if we signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Strong, quick, talented, works hard, can belt if with either foot and head it too and seems to care about what he's doing. For £12.5m would be a steal. How much did we pay for Niasse again? Sign this guy up quickly Ronnie before someone else does. Quinn31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3707605/Everton-verge-signing-Marko-Arnautovic-12-5m-deal-Austria-forward-opts-against-Potters-stay.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3707605/Everton-verge-signing-Marko-Arnautovic-12-5m-deal-Austria-forward-opts-against-Potters-stay.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 80k a week!? We can afford that!!! Yea!! Finally someone we can sign lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn31 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) Yes, for that price. I don't think he's a world beater but would absolutely be a quality attacking option for us in addition to Barkley, Deulofeu, Mirallas. Bring him in and ship McGeady out, if you ask me! Edited July 26, 2016 by Quinn31 duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 You can't beat that price, and he's a proven prem player. Definite yes from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Even if we do sign him I'm definitely not expecting it to be today. Reports like this rarely get the day right and then fans are fuming . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Not a bad player for the money, sometimes he's brilliant. A good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Good player,nasty streak which is what we have been crying out for. Think he might turn out a fan favourite and a steal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 My Stoke mate's opinion... "Looks like it's a distinct possibility. He is in the last year of his contract so 12.5million is about right I guess. He was asking for a 100k a week to sign an extension which we'd never pay...and with us signing this Egyptian lad I think he may well be leaving. A fantastic player on his day...scores goals, creates chances and is strong as an ox....when he can't be arsed tho he's a nightmare, throwing arms in the air etc. I think he splits the stoke fans... love him on a good day but he can be frustrating. Capable of getting better too if the manager can handle him. One of those players who can get arses up from the seats! We'll miss his goals for sure." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenosetoffee Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 My Stoke mate's opinion... "Looks like it's a distinct possibility. He is in the last year of his contract so 12.5million is about right I guess. He was asking for a 100k a week to sign an extension which we'd never pay...and with us signing this Egyptian lad I think he may well be leaving. A fantastic player on his day...scores goals, creates chances and is strong as an ox....when he can't be arsed tho he's a nightmare, throwing arms in the air etc. I think he splits the stoke fans... love him on a good day but he can be frustrating. Capable of getting better too if the manager can handle him. One of those players who can get arses up from the seats! We'll miss his goals for sure." Sounds a bit like Mirallas, on his day can beat anyone and shows the flair that we all crave but other days look like he can't kick a ball. All depends how is head is on the day. If this deal does go through I just hope this doesn't mean that Lennon will now be benched most games. He showed the desire last season and looked decent on the wings giving defenders a problem most days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) I think the source where these rumours originated is now saying he's staying with Stoke for four more years. Here's a link to an article in German. Edited July 26, 2016 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 sounds very much like Mirallas - mate watched him at anfield and said he really stood as a very good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 If this deal does go through I just hope this doesn't mean that Lennon will now be benched most games. He showed the desire last season and looked decent on the wings giving defenders a problem most days. I hope very much that it would mean exactly that. Lennon's a nice, handy player that works hard but we need better than him in all honesty. duncanmckenzieismagic and Baba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 I like Lennon but Arnautovic is better. Hope this is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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