nyblue23 633 Posted September 9, 2017 Report Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thank fuck everyone's started to come around on how awful he is. You all were starting to make me believe I was crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 13 hours ago, c1982 said: I think Holgate will start vs Atalanta and possibly Man U then Kenny will get a chance vs Sunderland (with Martina at left back). Hopefully Kenny (or Holgate) will stake a claim and get a decent run of games. I hope you mean left back at home. Him anywhere near our team is a fucking nightmare. Paddock 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,162 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 He was hung out to dry yesterday, no one in front of him so kept getting doubled up on. He had no support from Gana who keeps getting on the wrong side of his man (really don't see how this hasn't been addressed when they rewatch the games) or Keane who is bang average with the only thing he is 'better' than Holgate at is being tall. Not saying he isn't shite, just the problem is much bigger than him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 2,162 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 https://twitter.com/PiperPeta/status/906646005948481536 From the comments in the tweet Lowensda put in the Koeman thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nyblue23 633 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, pete0 said: https://twitter.com/PiperPeta/status/906646005948481536 From the comments in the tweet Lowensda put in the Koeman thread. Read those and remembered how Twitter is Donald Trump's favorite avenue of communication. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shukes 4,561 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 15 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddock 2,721 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I actually envy those that can't go the game and get to watch it on tv, or through streams, because seeing what this clown does off the ball is frightening. I kept saying to the fella next to me "what's he doing?" "where's he going?" Again though, it's more about his effort than a lack of ability that really gets up my nose. I've watched him so many times give up on balls that are stupidly close to him only to let the opposition player have it instead. That sort of thing is unforgivable. I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this- the fella behind me kept saying he was being hung out to dry when time and time again there was only Ali in our box (Kane) over by the right corner flag and he kept wandering off and half marking Ali when Keane had him and Baines and Williams were dealing with Kane leaving their full back literally 30 yards of space every time. I was thinking maybe he's told him to double up on Ali but he was just standing in no mans land- not marking Ali or Erikssen and the left full back was like he was playing on his own- it was fucking shocking. I'm still shocked today. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, Paddock said: I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this- the fella behind me kept saying he was being hung out to dry when time and time again there was only Ali in our box (Kane) over by the right corner flag and he kept wandering off and half marking Ali when Keane had him and Baines and Williams were dealing with Kane leaving their full back literally 30 yards of space every time. I was thinking maybe he's told him to double up on Ali but he was just standing in no mans land- not marking Ali or Erikssen and the left full back was like he was playing on his own- it was fucking shocking. I'm still shocked today. He kept passing the Spurs player onto our CB's but then proceeded to follow that player, abandoning Davies. I thought I was going to have an aneurysm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, Shukes said: Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. On the ball he's alright, but defensively... he will be the end of me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sibdane 2,257 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Exactly! His work-rate is atrocious. He's not a "bad" player technically -- he can whip in a good cross -- but too often he is caught out and doesn't put in the effort to try and win the ball back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 5,105 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Shukes said: Maybe this is what we're not seeing. On TV he looked one of our better players. When he is on the ball he is pretty solid. He also stopped an easy goal and blocked another good effort. what we don't see on TV is exactly what your seeing off the ball. It's on TV as well Shukes, he looked just as shite then. Waltzing around, just no engagement from him. If you just watched him in isolation on TV you might think different, but when you look at the gaps he leaves, his lack of commitment to the tackle, his general attitude to defending he shouldn't be anywhere near the side. Niasse is a better striker than Martina is a right back... well it's at least very close! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddock 2,721 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: He kept passing the Spurs player onto our CB's but then proceeded to follow that player, abandoning Davies. I thought I was going to have an aneurysm I wanted to strangle the fella behind me (stranger off stubhub I think) he kept saying "he's playing well e's being left 2 on 1 because we don't have a right midfielder" Erikksen ran our midfield 2 ragged granted but Martina was marking nobody all fucking game he just stood there wide eyed and kept drifting towards the cb position. Davies must have thought it was Christmas. my 8 year old said "Dad Martina is crap isn't he- who's he supposed to be marking and why has their left back got so much space- he's 8!! nyblue23 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sibdane 2,257 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 We need an Eriksen-type player in our squad. We're severely lacking that and a top tier striker.And another capable CB. And wingers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,788 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 He puts a lovely cross in but unfortunately we often don't have anyone in the box to aim at. Defenesively, he's very poor (to be polite). His positioning is hopeless, he's a ball watcher and not very brave. You can see his teammates have no trust in him whatsoever. Hands up, I thought this would be a shrewd signing providing back-up to Kenny in Coleman's absence. I do think Kenny will have a part to play very soon with him not being sent out on loan. If he's not in Koeman's plans then surely a 1 year deal for Sagna until Coleman is back would have been a wiser move... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sibdane 2,257 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 No doubt! Sagna on a 1yr deal is good business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 5,105 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, tonkaroost said: We need an Eriksen-type player in our squad. We're severely lacking that and a top tier striker. And another capable CB. And wingers. The Eriksen player is Sigurdsson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sibdane 2,257 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 That's what we hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MC11 1,233 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Poor in defence not bad going forward. Williams is a much bigger problem than this lad at the moment. aaron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sibdane 2,257 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,463 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 Poor in defence not bad going forward. Williams is a much bigger problem than this lad at the moment. Not for me, while Williams has been poor Coco has been a complete liability. He is a black Marc Hottiger !Kenny is bang on form at the moment so god only knows what he must be thinking watching this clown being picked ahead of him nyblue23 and MC11 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
London Blue 2,448 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 I think a big reason the defense is poor is that Coco undermines their confidence when he plays. Its like they know (like the rest of us) that he is going to get caught out defensively in one of his many Don Quixote like charges forwards. I think Williams is having a poor start too, but, as someone as said he is a 6/7 out of ten player out of 10 every week, so far this season he has been mostly a 6/10 but he will get better. MC11 and nyblue23 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MC11 1,233 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: Not for me, while Williams has been poor Coco has been a complete liability. He is a black Marc Hottiger ! Kenny is bang on form at the moment so god only knows what he must be thinking watching this clown being picked ahead of him Fair enough. I agree Kenny should get a chance. However Williams was absolutely shocking on Saturday. He looks like a fraud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MC11 1,233 Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, London Blue said: I think a big reason the defense is poor is that Coco undermines their confidence when he plays. Its like they know (like the rest of us) that he is going to get caught out defensively in one of his many Don Quixote like charges forwards. I think Williams is having a poor start too, but, as someone as said he is a 6/7 out of ten player out of 10 every week, so far this season he has been mostly a 6/10 but he will get better. He was a 2/10 Saturday absolutely shocking Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Report Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, MC11 said: Fair enough. I agree Kenny should get a chance. However Williams was absolutely shocking on Saturday. He looks like a fraud When watching Williams on Saturday, I thought back to souness being had off with that George weah cousin thing. He would have looked out of sorts in a Sunday league game from what I seen on Saturday. Looks overweight and played like he'd been on the piss the night before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddock 2,721 Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 9 hours ago, yamar said: When watching Williams on Saturday, I thought back to souness being had off with that George weah cousin thing. He would have looked out of sorts in a Sunday league game from what I seen on Saturday. Looks overweight and played like he'd been on the piss the night before. It's not even comparable to the George Weah cousin thing- he's not been great but he's a solid prem player. how can you even compare the two? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Paddock said: It's not even comparable to the George Weah cousin thing- he's not been great but he's a solid prem player. how can you even compare the two? Because he didn't look like footballer on the pitch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paddock 2,721 Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, yamar said: Because he didn't look like footballer on the pitch. Williams does and has looked like a footballer though Brett- there is zero comparison in Ashley Williams and that kid pretending to be Wears cousin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cuco-martina-admits-playing-time-13762600 You're not the only one, Cuco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marcopaulo 1,980 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Genuinely feel I'm a better player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aidan 2,228 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 As far as bad performances go, I've seen a lot worse from a lot of players this season. He wasn't even the worst on the pitch tonight. Plus he was played out of position. Shukes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,788 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, marcopaulo said: Genuinely feel I'm a better player The moment he stopped and got tackled by Sandro when in an attacking position... not seen that since greats like Claus Thomsen and Mitch Ward. badaids 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 13,515 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, marcopaulo said: Genuinely feel I'm a better player Legend in your own lunchtime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marcopaulo 1,980 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Apart from Sandro I'm not sure who was worse..he offered nothing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marcopaulo 1,980 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, c1982 said: The moment he stopped and got tackled by Sandro when in an attacking position... not seen that since greats like Claus Thomsen and Mitch Ward. I'd take Claus back right now tbh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,788 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, marcopaulo said: I'd take Claus back right now tbh Another f’king defensive midfielder... you’re worse than Koeman!!! marcopaulo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Swarzy 78 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Shouldn't be anywhere near the starting line-up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 5,105 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 It was a shocker today. He was signed for his versatility and then he goes and performs like that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shukes 4,561 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, Aidan Lewis said: As far as bad performances go, I've seen a lot worse from a lot of players this season. He wasn't even the worst on the pitch tonight. Plus he was played out of position. You sound like you have played football or at least know something about the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 hour ago, c1982 said: The moment he stopped and got tackled by Sandro when in an attacking position... not seen that since greats like Claus Thomsen and Mitch Ward. That was a fucking bizarre moment. Why didn’t he just put the ball in the box?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,463 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 That was a fucking bizarre moment. Why didn’t he just put the ball in the box?!That was the exact question everyone sitting by me was asking, he is an unbelievably shite RB , but an even worse LB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: That was the exact question everyone sitting by me was asking, he is an unbelievably shite RB , but an even worse LB The crazy thing is that it was set up for him to cross it with his right foot! There was absolutely no reason for him to hesitate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,463 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 The crazy thing is that it was set up for him to cross it with his right foot! There was absolutely no reason for him to hesitate. To be fair Sandro didn’t help in that respect but it was a proper keystone cops moment . Completely killed the game as well , the ground was bouncing and it looked liked we had them rattled,really thought we would have gone on to win it at that point Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elston Gunnn 446 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 Koeman (or his successor) must not play Martina at LB ever again. Hope Garbutt continues to improve and can be the backup second half of season. Until then, Baines will have to play almost every match. Whenever we have a crowded schedule and Baines absolutely must be rested, we have no good, logical replacement. Rather than Martina or Holgate, I’d prefer Davies or Besic. Or when Baines must rest, go 3 at the back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nogs 1,260 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 6 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said: Koeman (or his successor) must not play Martina at LB ever again. Hope Garbutt continues to improve and can be the backup second half of season. Until then, Baines will have to play almost every match. Whenever we have a crowded schedule and Baines absolutely must be rested, we have no good, logical replacement. Rather than Martina or Holgate, I’d prefer Davies or Besic. Or when Baines must rest, go 3 at the back. We have Galloway on loan at Sunderland. Why? He did a solid job covering for Baines before. Again, Koeman's judgement of players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,463 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 We have Galloway on loan at Sunderland. Why? He did a solid job covering for Baines before. Again, Koeman's judgement of players I know a few Sunderland fans and to say they are underwhelmed with him is an understatement Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 5,105 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I know a few Sunderland fans and to say they are underwhelmed with him is an understatement What I have seen hasn't been good either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I know a few Sunderland fans and to say they are underwhelmed with him is an understatement I was underwhelmed with him here, so I’m not surprised by that at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,339 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 not to mention he's a fecking CB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nogs 1,260 Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: I know a few Sunderland fans and to say they are underwhelmed with him is an understatement Worse than Martina? Don't remember him ever doing anything wrong for us Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,295 Posted October 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, nogs said: Worse than Martina? Don't remember him ever doing anything wrong for us Just wasn't very good at the attacking part. Bit like Holgate covering for Seamus, a young, inexperienced CB playing in an attacking FB position and replacing one of the best around in that position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 12 hours ago, Matt said: Just wasn't very good at the attacking part. Bit like Holgate covering for Seamus, a young, inexperienced CB playing in an attacking FB position and replacing one of the best around in that position. He was well and truly found out defensively as well, which had been his saving grace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lowensda 3,394 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 He must be pretty worried right now! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,788 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, Lowensda said: He must be pretty worried right now! The 3 year contract we gave him will cushion the blow! Surely won’t see him again in the Royal Blue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 14,188 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, c1982 said: The 3 year contract we gave him will cushion the blow! Surely won’t see him again in the Royal Blue. His agent must be amazing. He should never have got more than a year. Hopefully never plays for us again. aaron, Bailey and pete0 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,295 Posted November 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Released from hospital and has travelled back with the squad apparently Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shukes 4,561 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Good to hear it’s not too serious. He looked in a bad way on the floor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,463 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Good to hear it’s not too serious. He looked in a bad way on the floor. He looks shite in the air as well, or were you referring to his injury? Romey 1878, Matt and Newty82 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,295 Posted November 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 16 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said: He looks shite in the air as well, or were you referring to his injury? that's naughty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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