Lowensda Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Anything above £15m is borderline rediculous. I'm with Everton. 1 year playing at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romey 1878 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 These agree http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4561754/Sunderland-receive-formal-bid-Jordan-Pickford.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 These agree http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4561754/Sunderland-receive-formal-bid-Jordan-Pickford.html Well, he's not likely to disagree with himself is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well, he's not likely to disagree with himself is he? Haha didn't even realise the tweet was from the DM journalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Haha didn't even realise the tweet was from the DM journalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 would rather Joe Hart proven experience at this level especially with them signing a new keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Sunderland have said that they have not received any bids for Pickford , so it's all just the usual nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 would rather Joe Hart proven experience at this level especially with them signing a new keeperMight as well resign Howard. He's got experience of ducked and flailing all over the shop. nutmegwolf203 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-jordan-pickford-transfer-speculation-13165144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 In other words "I'm not going to Everton" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 In other words "I'm not going to Everton" How do you come to that conclusion? He doesn't mention us or anyone else once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 £8m up to £30m.... Do people really think he's a £30m upgrade on Robles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Walsh and Koeman obviously do if that story is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Walsh and Koeman obviously do if that story is true. Then they need to give their heads a wobble, if the story is true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 £8m up to £30m.... Do people really think he's a £30m upgrade on Robles? It's more than he's probably worth, but I like him a lot and if we think it's worth spending a bit over the odds to get it done then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofanon Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 £30m is a redic fee Looks like we'll be ending up with Pickford, Keane, Klaassen, Sandro Underwhelmed if I'm truthful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 £8m up to £30m.... Do people really think he's a £30m upgrade on Robles? 8m was a load of shite, We never bid that. I don't agree with 30 million though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Jesus christ. Can't deny the ambition. Suppose when you even it out, how much would you say Sandro was worth? £10m? So think of Pickfords price as £25m... Clutching straws I know, but an accumulative figure of total spends should be a better indication as to whether the purchases are 'worth' it. Edit: Lets not be kid by the full price tag though. That's IF he/Everton meet certain clauses/performance related bonuses. The deal COULD be £15m plus bonuses equaling £30m? Edited June 13, 2017 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We're probably going to have to overpay for a few of our targets really. Just got to hope that they work out. Plus, if it does work out with Pickford that's our keeper sorted for over a decade. Lowensda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Then they need to give their heads a wobble, if the story is true Sorry but I trust their judgement more than yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sorry but I trust their judgement more than yours. Fair enough To be honest, it's more the market that's inflating the price which is the issue. No way is he worth near that in terms of ability (yet, and from what I've seen), and even if it's £15-18m plus add-ons as rumoured, I don't see the gulf in quality to justify spending that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We're probably going to have to overpay for a few of our targets really. Just got to hope that they work out. Plus, if it does work out with Pickford that's our keeper sorted for over a decade. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We're probably going to have to overpay for a few of our targets really. Just got to hope that they work out. Plus, if it does work out with Pickford that's our keeper sorted for over a decade. Mostly agree, but I'll interested to see how much patience fans have with the lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 "we need to pull our finger out and hurry up and sign our targets." "oh we are paying too much for them." No winning with some people. Who's assed how much we are paying, we aren't poor anymore so I don't get why people get so jumped up about prices. £30m could turn out to be a steal for this lad, don't forget its not all upfront, usually spread out, certain things need to be met. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Good goalkeepers are like rocking horse shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Pretty much what Aaron is saying for me. We will be getting quoted daft prices for players...again! Clubs, agents and players know about Moshiri and the ambition...they'll want their kings ransom. If people at the club believe this guy is the next answer...so be it. No point bring butt hurt over Robles. Let's get the ball rolling and get our targets in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'd rather stick with Robles, and wait for a better keeper to pop up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Many people who watch him believe he is a top keeper in the making.... for a better keeper we will be paying £50m prices - that's how the market is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Market has gone rediculous. Football will surpass the £100m transfer (single) mark this window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Rumour is its £21m up front, rest in add on's and Dowell and Kenny on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Put it this way.... their fans are gutted to see him go. When a player goes for £30m and they aint that good - they tend to be jubilant. Edited June 13, 2017 by Hafnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Rumour is its £21m up front, rest in add on's and Dowell and Kenny on loan. Great deal IMO. Gets our lads Championship football (which will aid us in the long run) and £20m is closer to the figure he's worth at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Rumour is its £21m up front, rest in add on's and Dowell and Kenny on loan. Hmmm.... Interesting. Bit weird if it's true, considering they've not go a manager yet http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/40258852 BBC now reporting it as a main story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Apparently his kicking is top notch.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Seen a great tweet - https://twitter.com/JonnyGabriel/status/874566694831874049 Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Seen a great tweet - https://twitter.com/JonnyGabriel/status/874566694831874049 Aha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Apparently his kicking is top notch.... It's like a golf shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bailey Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 The lad is class, current rumour is £18 up front and the rest are performance / career related add ons which I think is far as it suits both parties. If it doesn't work our we only pay him £18mil (which is a fair price imo) and if it does we end up with a top notch English keeper worth more than double that. Please just don't expect him to come in and be faultless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It's like a golf shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Hope we get this done quickly. Arguably this is the most important position to get sorted - let him have as much time as possible to build a relationship with the defence. Lowensda, MikeO, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Good goalkeepers are like rocking horse shit. +1 to this. When there's an exceptional goalkeeping prospect available, you get him. People on other boards are saying "Butland is better" (I disagree), but he's at a Premier League club and he isn't for sale. Others are saying "City got that amazing keeper who nobody had heard of until a week ago but he has a cool-sounding foreign name so must be amazing". With keepers from other leagues (especially Portugal, a low level) you're taking a big risk. I'm really happy with this. One position taken care of hopefully for the next 10 years. Plus, we have an English defense, and hopefully will for some time to come given the talent in it, so that'll help with communication. MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Hope we get this done quickly. Arguably this is the most important position to get sorted - let him have as much time as possible to build a relationship with the defence. Well he wont sign and have a medical until after he's done with the U21's so I expect this to drag a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Hope we get this done quickly. Arguably this is the most important position to get sorted - let him have as much time as possible to build a relationship with the defence. Well he wont sign and have a medical until after he's done with the U21's so I expect this to drag a bit Just in time for someone else to pop up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Well he wont sign and have a medical until after he's done with the U21's so I expect this to drag a bit Absolutely no reason why we couldn't send a medical team out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It's like a golf shot. Didn't cost £30m either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Didn't cost £30m either.... You love him. We get it I'm not arguing that it's not a lot of money, but we do need better than Joel or Stek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Rumour is its £21m up front, rest in add on's and Dowell and Kenny on loan. More than happy with that. I like that deal a lot. I hope this comes good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 You love him. We get it I'm not arguing that it's not a lot of money, but we do need better than Joel or Stek. It's not that. I know I rate him, but I'm not blinded by it. Fact is, unless someone has watched both week in, week out, we'll never really know. All I'm saying is that they're both young keepers with potential that require a lot of game time to develop. One is on our books, one is going to cost a lot of money, taking budget away from other positions. My concern is that £20-30m isn't going to give a massive jump in quality, and that the money could be better spent reinforcing the defensive line (which is a must anyway) so the current keeper has less work to do. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It's not that. I know I rate him, but I'm not blinded by it. Fact is, unless someone has watched both week in, week out, we'll never really know. All I'm saying is that they're both young keepers with potential that require a lot of game time to develop. One is on our books, one is going to cost a lot of money, taking budget away from other positions. My concern is that £20-30m isn't going to give a massive jump in quality, and that the money could be better spent reinforcing the defensive line (which is a must anyway) so the current keeper has less work to do. We have scouts who will have watched him week in, week out once he was identified as a player we wanted. And the fact is, as much as you or I rate Joel, our manager, the one that picks the team, does not, and that is the be all and end all here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Didn't cost £30m either.... Pickfords kick9ng is supposed top class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I thought his kicking looked awful. However I've only seen him a handful of matches. Whether you agree with the signing or not, hopefully at least we have 1 position sorted for next season. Wonder if Joel will move on Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) It's not that. I know I rate him, but I'm not blinded by it. Fact is, unless someone has watched both week in, week out, we'll never really know. All I'm saying is that they're both young keepers with potential that require a lot of game time to develop. One is on our books, one is going to cost a lot of money, taking budget away from other positions. My concern is that £20-30m isn't going to give a massive jump in quality, and that the money could be better spent reinforcing the defensive line (which is a must anyway) so the current keeper has less work to do. We have scouts who will have watched him week in, week out once he was identified as a player we wanted. And the fact is, as much as you or I rate Joel, our manager, the one that picks the team, does not, and that is the be all and end all here. This. And it's also not my (or your) money. Manager wants him, he pays what he thinks he's worth. Edit: Even if I do think its too much. Edited June 13, 2017 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Couldn't care less how much he cost we clearly have the money/structure in place He's better than Joel and will be miles ahead of him in a season or two SimonButtle, Lowensda, MikeO and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It's not that. I know I rate him, but I'm not blinded by it. Fact is, unless someone has watched both week in, week out, we'll never really know. All I'm saying is that they're both young keepers with potential that require a lot of game time to develop. One is on our books, one is going to cost a lot of money, taking budget away from other positions. My concern is that £20-30m isn't going to give a massive jump in quality, and that the money could be better spent reinforcing the defensive line (which is a must anyway) so the current keeper has less work to do. I like him, but the problem with Joel is that you can guarantee he is going to make pretty basic mistakes and cost us goals. He will make some great saves as well that I wouldn't expect every keeper in the league to make but he makes more mistakes that lead to goals then brilliant saves that others couldn't make. He has had enough games now to really assess him. He is much better than Stek, streets better but from what I have seen of Pickford he is already at least as good as Joel, has half a season of Premier League footy under his belt and will only get better. He is commanding and a leader as well, plus he is English which will puts an extra few quid on his head and worth to your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We have scouts who will have watched him week in, week out once he was identified as a player we wanted. And the fact is, as much as you or I rate Joel, our manager, the one that picks the team, does not, and that is the be all and end all here. Oh I know, just frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I like him, but the problem with Joel is that you can guarantee he is going to make pretty basic mistakes and cost us goals. He will make some great saves as well that I wouldn't expect every keeper in the league to make but he makes more mistakes that lead to goals then brilliant saves that others couldn't make. He has had enough games now to really assess him. He is much better than Stek, streets better but from what I have seen of Pickford he is already at least as good as Joel, has half a season of Premier League footy under his belt and will only get better. He is commanding and a leader as well, plus he is English which will puts an extra few quid on his head and worth to your team. All keepers do though, even the best! £30m for at least as good is a fuckton of cash for little/no improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Let's put this in perspective: This is the third highest fee ever paid, anywhere in the world, for a goalkeeper. How on earth can we justify that? If he was the best goalkeeper playing one of the best teams in the world, I could understand it, but his team came rock bottom. For sure, he looked good in many respects, but he's young and only played for one year in the Prem. This one almighty risk when we already have another young keeper with much more experience in this league. holystove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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