Lowensda Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We can get the best of both worlds if we (or rather Koeman and Walsh) are smart, by spending big bucks on quality players, but only those quality players that will fit in with the dressing room and not regard themselves (as Lukaku appears to) as being above the rest of the squad. Spend big on quality TEAM players (Morgan as an example) and we can win, and win the Everton way. Yes Rusty! My way of looking at it to. Spend big on the players you need to, scrimp on the players you can afford to (Gana £7m, Sandro £5m). It'll balance itself out. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) I get the reservations but this lad looks set to become a top keeper the type of which we couldn't sign of he was the finished article We are buying ready made with massive potential that's the difference for me between Pickford and Robles who I don't think has much more room for improvement whereas Pickford imo will go on to become a world beater Edited June 13, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 See I on the other hand really couldn't give a shit how we do it, I just want us to win things. I'd happily see Everton throw money at players to win trophies. Fuck the right way, winning is what counts. Nice guys finish last and all that. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 How many trophies have we won with shit goalkeepers? How many leagues have been won with shit goalkeepers? The fact is - like we seen with Bobby mimms coming in for an injured southall... a goalkeeper is more than just about making saves... it's organisation... giving the defence confidence, distribution. It's clear Robles despite making some good saves and good performances doesnt have it between the ears... neither does stek. By all accounts this kid is the real deal - we are making a ballsy move. Let's fuckin applaud the club for doing something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 sky reporting we have agreed a fee now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'm not saying these stats are necessarily meaningful (seeing as Pickford played in a team that was a shambles all over the pitch), but it's food for thought: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) He's better than Joel plain and simple, if you did a poll for the top six sides and asked there respective fans who they would want Pickford or Robles it would be a massive landslide in favour of Pickford I'm not being harsh on Robles he did an OK job but to me personally it's glaringly obvious who's better Edited June 13, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I'm not saying these stats are necessarily meaningful (seeing as Pickford played in a team that was a shambles all over the pitch), but it's food for thought: https://twitter.com/nsno/status/874683060930969601 interesting, but as you said not really meaningful (enough at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 He's better than Joel plain and simple, if you did a poll for the top six sides and asked there respective fans who they would want Pickford or Robles it would be a massive landslide in favour of Pickford I'm not being harsh on Robles he did an OK job but to me personally it's glaringly obvious who's better I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 interesting, but as you said not really meaningful (enough at least) I think the most we can take from this is that Joel may not as poor as many believe he is and that we will only know how good Pickford can be if he has a chance to play for a good team (or, alternatively, if he had a few more seasons under his belt, giving us a larger sample size). £30m (or whatever) is a big risk. I just hope that our scouting system has analyzed the shit out of Pickford's limited tapes to identify his good qualities and which things he will need to improve. Hopefully, we are going about this smartly and have a clear idea of how to make him into a keeper worthy of the price tag. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 We could buy 9 Steve Simonsens for the fee being touted. I like Pickford a lot, but £30million is an obscene amount for a player who had one good season in a shite team. Surely we could have got or still get Hart, Begovic, Butland or Forster for that kind of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else. It shows the weakness in stats versus watching the player though. We watch him week in , week out and it's plain as day he is average. I always remember him being mentioned as MoM after a clean sheet. Yet the stats in the match showed that we never received a shot on target. In that respect, your dead right. People form their opinions out of emotion rather than anything else. One group will be right, one will be wrong. But if Robles is so good then it doesn't matter as Pickford will be a very good second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 sky reporting we have agreed a fee now. They were reporting that this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I think the most we can take from this is that Joel may not as poor as many believe he is and that we will only know how good Pickford can be if he has a chance to play for a good team (or, alternatively, if he had a few more seasons under his belt, giving us a larger sample size). £30m (or whatever) is a big risk. I just hope that our scouting system has analyzed the shit out of Pickford's limited tapes to identify his good qualities and which things he will need to improve. Hopefully, we are going about this smartly and have a clear idea of how to make him into a keeper worthy of the price tag. best explanation so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 It shows the weakness in stats versus watching the player though. We watch him week in , week out and it's plain as day he is average. I always remember him being mentioned as MoM after a clean sheet. Yet the stats in the match showed that we never received a shot on target. In that respect, your dead right. People form their opinions out of emotion rather than anything else. One group will be right, one will be wrong. But if Robles is so good then it doesn't matter as Pickford will be a very good second choice. It's sad, but Robles is as good a gone now. Seriously, we wouldn't pay the highest fee ever in England for a goalkeeper only for him to sit on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil1878 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 A lot of my mates are sunderland st holders and have been raving about him for ages. I'll be made up if we complete it. Think he'll go on to be a world class keeper. He's already better than what we've had in ages. Both big nev and Peter Shilton have said he's worth the money and they know a thing or two about keeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I don't get it. Objective stats reveal that Robles is one of the best keepers in the league. This decision appears to be more about emotions and relationships than anything else. Stats hardly ever paint a true picture for a multitude of reasons I've judged him on watching them both not with emotion why would I have emotion towards him? You're making me blush Steve ? On a serious note though the lad is a talent and I'll put a wager on now that this lad will go on to become a fantastic/top level keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 They were reporting that this morning must have missed that in the robles debate here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeQuince Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 best explanation so far Thank you, sir. Personally, I'd rather we bought someone proven at keeper if we're going to buy a number 1 at all. This is a lot of money to throw at potential in a position where stability is all too important. That said, if we do buy him, I hope he becomes the next Neville Southall and stays with us for the duration of his prime years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Yeah Neville Southall has thrown his hat in the ring.... he really rates him. That in itself is good enough for me.... the man had ridiculous standards. He identified pickford a month or so ago. I honestly think people forget just how much a solid goalie improves the team. A top goalie will save you an extra 15 to 20 goals a season.... people have no problem spending £40m plus on a striker that gets that many .... so why not spend £30m in a goalie that can save you that many. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Yeah Neville Southall has thrown his hat in the ring.... he really rates him. That in itself is good enough for me.... the man had ridiculous standards. He identified pickford a month or so ago. I honestly think people forget just how much a solid goalie improves the team. A top goalie will save you an extra 15 to 20 goals a season.... people have no problem spending £40m plus on a striker that gets that many .... so why not spend £30m in a goalie that can save you that many. I'd question 15-20 goals a season; that's saving a goal every other game. More like 5-10, I would say, but I take your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristagi Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 From what I read last night I thought it was 18m initial fee with the potential to rise to 30m depedning on league positions, trophies e.t.c Basically, if he is the lad in between the sticks when we finish top 4 or lift a trophy, it will be 30m well spent. Otherwise 18m isn't a bad price for a future star. Look at what City paid for their keeper after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Made up with this if it goes through. Forget the money - all transfer prices are hyper inflated following the ludicrous last TV deal, and guess what, we've got a money man behind us. This lad is rated as a real talent, with Hart finished and Heaton/Forster not quite good enough, it will be a straight shoot out between him and Butland for England No 1 jersey for next ten years. I liked Paul Simpson's comments about him, who had him on loan at Preston - he's a winner, an organiser, confident, a presence in the dressing room. Everyone saw his talent in some of his performances for a dire Sunderland team last season, but mentality is what we're paying for, especially with a keeper. I'm with Haf all the way - world class keepers win you things. We don't know if he's world class yet, but isn't that what we brought Walsh in for, to be able to pick them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10914990/jordan-pickford-profile-why-he-is-ready-for-the-everton-challenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11671/10914990/jordan-pickford-profile-why-he-is-ready-for-the-everton-challenge He's going to get so much stick by Christmas. That price-tag is going to distort peoples expectations, ala De Gea. Sounds like he has the head for it, that's a very encouraging write-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) If you've an ounce of common sense you will understand that the fee's for players have risen dramatically, without sounding pompous if people can't comprehend something so simple then I couldn't care less what they think tbh Plus it's been widely reported the fee is £18m with add ons so I'd wait until the club release official figures before people's heads fall off Edited June 14, 2017 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Telegraph Sport today has the fee at 30m made up of 20m plus add-on's. Doesn't define the add-on's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 If you've an ounce of common sense you will understand that the fee's for players have risen dramatically, If people can't comprehend something so simple then I couldn't care less what they think tbh Plus it's been widely reported the fee is £18m with add ons so I'd wait until the club release official figures before people's heads fall off There's every chance it'll be an undisclosed fee. I hate those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 There's every chance it'll be an undisclosed fee. I hate those. Yep, I used to be always under the assumption that undisclosed had to be under £10m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 We should have sent a team out to do the medical and had him signed- why wait, if someone comes in and pinches him I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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